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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 6, 2022 11:34:32 GMT
He is absolutely AMAZING. I bought him a couple weeks ago, and he holds up SUPER WELL. His price is fantastic, the extra medals are nice, but the real kicker is that the general contained within it is probably one of the best generals in the game. On infantry, he comes as an equal to (if not better than) Vasilevsky, while on Tanks, I would personally say that he works better than an upgraded Vatutin, and maybe even better than Rommel due to his Plain Fighting. He is what Rokossovsky WISHES he could be. I cannot recommend him enough. The best infantry and the third/fourth best tank.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 6, 2022 11:46:42 GMT
Also, If I have him, Guderian, and Govorov, am I still obliged to get Patton?
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Post by tecnoghost on Oct 6, 2022 13:08:04 GMT
Hoth is certainly good at what he sets out to do, but his combination of skills is not the best, the leader skills are just filler, maybe if it were only 2 or 3 stars it's okay, but for 4 or 5 they are useless skills, this is a plain fighting quite well, but only level 3 and although vasilevsky is worse with only level 2 he has guerrilla with which he compensates quite well, apart from being guerrilla infantry it is more solid and versatile than plain fighting, apart from vasilevsky having 5 stars for infantry as well that its damage generation is more solid, and if it were only for simple fighting then guderian would also be one of the best infantry generals in the game, ace force would also not be the best for infantry survival, not to mention that as soon as it is obtained the maximum level ceases to be useful, while rokossovsky has supplies, which for infantry I think is better, and depending on how the organization works, ace force could be worse off, after ues it also lacks bayonet charge and iron tide, and ace force is only level 2 so in tanks it is not so compensated, and anti armor is fine, but the truth would be more useful explosives or some defensive ability, in general terms Hoth compared to Vasilevsky have the same damage but Hoth is less solid in exchange for a slightly better survivability, and compared to Rokossovsky he has more damage but his survivability is worse, apart from that in tanks Rossokovsky is more solid in iron tide damage , might have less damage but holds up better in combat
anyway, hoth must be *Auto corrected*ing fun, I would buy it if it weren't for my geographical location, details, we should still see what someone more qualified thinks, now regarding patton I would advise you EC, maybe paton is a perfectly valid option, in any case i would say don't buy it if you had manstein
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Oct 6, 2022 23:26:07 GMT
As an IAP, I dislike Hoth. He has two good skills, Plain and Ace, and mid stars. He is worse than Rokossovsky, worse than Vatutin and worse than Vasilevsky. I prefer Elite Pass or even the Marshall pack to Hoth.
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Post by Josip Broz Tito on Oct 6, 2022 23:27:24 GMT
Also, If I have him, Guderian, and Govorov, am I still obliged to get Patton? Of course. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 7, 2022 3:08:53 GMT
No one actively talks about Hoth because the debate on him has been settled long ago. He is indeed a solid infantry general and a viable competitor for third tank. Give him 2 lvl 1 infantry medals and he's a faster and more durable Vasilevsky. Whether he or Vatutin is better is still up for debate, but Rommel seems to be falling behind as Vatutin got his movement fixed. However, I expect more from an IAP general. I don't think it's too harsh of a requirement for an IAP tank general to beat Patton. I do agree that he is significantly better than Rokossovsky though.
You are still obliged to get Patton if you don't plan to make a tank EC. Hoth lacks Blitzkrieg and Explosives.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 7, 2022 3:14:32 GMT
As an IAP, I dislike Hoth. He has two good skills, Plain and Ace, and mid stars. He is worse than Rokossovsky, worse than Vatutin and worse than Vasilevsky. I prefer Elite Pass or even the Marshall pack to Hoth. In the previous version I'd also doubt he can win Vasilevsky, but this version he has a chance. There's no way Hoth is worse than Rokossovsky. Vatutin I'm not sure. |
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Post by resiphius on Oct 7, 2022 9:17:10 GMT
As an IAP, I dislike Hoth. He has two good skills, Plain and Ace, and mid stars. He is worse than Rokossovsky, worse than Vatutin and worse than Vasilevsky. I prefer Elite Pass or even the Marshall pack to Hoth. In the previous version I'd also doubt he can win Vasilevsky, but this version he has a chance. There's no way Hoth is worse than Rokossovsky. Vatutin I'm not sure. I think the core question is how big the difference tide of iron would make when both generals has less than 50% HP, because at 50+% HP Vatutin is inferior to Hoth by being 3 movement pt slower for only dealing 1 basic dmg more, the supply skill may add a little to it but otherwise offer negligible contribution to his survival. Yes, a lvl 3 mobility medal will fix Vatutin’s problem but it also makes him 1 slot fewer than Hoth, which Hoth can use the “extra” slot to gap the dmg difference. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 7, 2022 19:43:34 GMT
In the previous version I'd also doubt he can win Vasilevsky, but this version he has a chance. There's no way Hoth is worse than Rokossovsky. Vatutin I'm not sure. I think the core question is how big the difference tide of iron would make when both generals has less than 50% HP, because at 50+% HP Vatutin is inferior to Hoth by being 3 movement pt slower for only dealing 1 basic dmg more, the supply skill may add a little to it but otherwise offer negligible contribution to his survival. Yes, a lvl 3 mobility medal will fix Vatutin’s problem but it also makes him 1 slot fewer than Hoth, which Hoth can use the “extra” slot to gap the dmg difference. The difference in damage between Hoth and Vatutin when below half is 25. Vatutin is now as fast as Manstein in previous versions, it's just he's still comparatively slower than everyone else. If you think Vatutin movement after tech upgrade is good enough, then he's definitely better than Hoth and Rommel. |
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