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Post by conkueror on Oct 16, 2022 19:47:57 GMT
What would your list look like if you had to put 5 (you can put more if you want) best generals from every category in order, no matter free or iap? Just the best gens rated by how good/useful/effective they are? (no iap privileges, just the gens prowess, items, units etc included)
I'd say...
1. Melee infantry - Robert the Bruce, Beowulf, Cnut, Basil, Harald Hardrada
2. Defense infantry - Su dingfung*, William Wallace*, Belisarius, Narses, Caesar
3. Melee cavalry - Baldwin, Gao Xianzhi, Charlemagne, Roland, Frederick
4. Charge cavalry - Richard, Nevsky, Alfred, Li Jing, Tzimiskes
5. Ranged infantry - Edward the Black Prince, Attila, El Cid, Giovanni, Caesar
6. Ranged cavalry - Timur, Genghis*, Subutai, Saladin, Nur Din
star (*) means that I don't have any experience about that gen, just an estimate
What do you think? I'd like to know what other people think, and also maybe find some new interesting gens I could try out
-also note; Robin, Genghis and William ignored in this, becouse I feel Genghis is mostly good for his ability, and I don't have him to see how he fares otherwise. And quite few people have Robin or William as they are expensive. (Robin too, becouse he also needs his weapon and there are much better ways to use the money required for that, so shouldn't be very high priority)
--Updated 23/12/2022
Ok so I decided to add some more, for different supportive roles and otherwise "honorable mentions" with little explanation.
So for Naval: Cnut and Giovanni are the best, also Halfdan and Ivar are awesome in bond with Cnut, especially when you add navigator skill to Ivar with gems.
Best Calmness gens: Caesar, Matilda of Boulogne
Best healers: Eleanor of Aquitaine, Adil I
Arsonist: Olga, Athelstan
Morale dropper: Alexios with camel and elephant
Interceptor: Richard, Sunicas (if you don't have Richard)
Pathfinder: Godfrey
Other gens useful in some protect the general missions: Frederick with his support skill and suprisingly John the Armenian (or Batu Khan if you have Genghis)
Honorable mention to Edward III: He has potential to be a good melee cav general, but not quite. He is kind of mix between Roland and Charlemagne, fast and has two dmg skills, also leadership is nice bonus. However, he has useless morale instead of dmg reduction on his weapon and all his skills are only at lvl2. I would still recommend him to f2p players though.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 16, 2022 22:15:25 GMT
So I'll share this here too:
What would your list look like if you had to put 5 (you can put more if you want) best generals from every category in order, no matter free or iap? Just the best gens rated by how good/useful/effective they are? (no iap privileges, just the gens prowess, items, units etc included)
I'd say...
1. Melee infantry - Cnut, Beowulf, Basil, Otto*, Belisarius
2. Defense infantry - Su dingfung, William Wallace*, Belisarius, Caesar, Aetius
3. Melee cavalry - Baldwin, Alexios, Charlemagne, Roland, Fredrick
4. Charge cavalry - Richard, Nevsky, Alfred, Li Jing*, Edward
5. Ranged infantry - El Cid, Attila, Caesar, ?, ? (okay this is a tough one cuz most good arc gens are ranged)
6. Ranged cavalry - Timur, Genghis*, Saladin, Subutai, Nur Din
star (*) means that I don't have any experience about that gen, just an estimate
What do you think? I'd like to know what other people think, and also maybe find some new interesting gens I could try out My Ranking (will change as the game updates): As a F2P, I will be leaving out PoH and IAPs. They easily dominate the rankings besides Timur and Cnut.
Melee Inf: Cnut/Robert the Bruce, Basil, Hardrada, Belisarius
Honorable mentions to Ivar and Halfdan for being in a bond with Cnut; they rule the waves!
Honorable Mention PoH: Belisarius - Cheap, strong, free. Great for Epic Battles!
Def Inf: Aethelred I, Narses, Belisarius, Aetius
Bonus points for Beli and Narses for their bond. But who is this Aethelred? His skillset consists of Composure, Def Inf Expert, Pole-Arm Mastery, and Snow. His damage skills (besides snow) are great for def inf, and Composure helps him tank hits. I would much rather sink less than 1000 medals for a dedicated def inf for something like conquest than to use my other generals who are very good at something else for a mediocre unit category. Or you could not spend that 1000 medals on hi at all and just use Aetius. Hey, that works too.
Honorable Mention PoH: Belisarius - If you ever needed a cheap garrison for your conquest, he's there! Best with a dash of Narses. Consider putting a melee inf or two for more damage.
Melee Cav: Gao, Roland, Alexios, Frederick, Lancelot, Baldwin
Wow, Gao made quite the splash! After you get his item, he usurps Roland. Roland and Alexios are left in the dust. Fred, Lancelot, and Baldwin are all meh in combat without their items, as they are mostly useful for their actives, with the exception of (maybe) Lancelot for mobility shenanigans. Throw in lots of silver tier generals and that's the list.
Honorable Mention PoH: Khalid - Jumping from mediocre without the item to Roland 2.0 with it, he jumps in usability with PoH. Great investment with a cheap to use early unit. Even with PoH, Teuton grinding without Fred is still a pain. Probably won't wait unil you finish Crusade to smack finally use a melee cav. War Axe is simply trash.
Charge Cav: Alfred, Nevsky, Li Jing, John, Baldwin, Simeon, Lancelot
Alfred has two clones, Nevsky and John. Nevsky actually has a good unit, Boyars. John tries too hard to counter Timur and friends and is meh to everything else. He has another generic charge cav unit. Li Jing is great if you grind for his item via Epic Battle. Baldwin and Lancelot is meh. Simeon used to be top-notch, but fell off due to Nevsky existing.
Honorable Mention PoH: Edward I - With PoH, he becomes THE best F2P charge cav. He's probably the only charge cav general can can hold a candle to Richard in usability. Perhaps even on tier with him, but Richard's item is for Templars...
Archers (no significant difference bewtween ranged inf and ranged cav; both use same skills): Timur, El Cid, Subutai, Narses, Philip II
Honorable mention to Pepin. Since the last time I talked about him, my opinion of him has changed quite a bit. He does great when you invest in Woads and Franks early game, but falls off when you start to get the better units such as Conquistadors and Mongols.
Honorable Mention PoH: Nur Din - If you are fully F2P, he's about as good as Justinian, if not worse. However, as Justinian leans more into admin with his item, Nur Din leans into archers. Nur Din is easily the better of the two with PoH. Skyrockets in usability with PoH.
Support: Matilda of Boulogne, Aethelstan the Arsonist, Eleanor of Aquitaine, Baldwin, Frederick
Honorable mention to Theodora. Her bond with Justinian is great for conquest and boast very high (IIRC the highest in the game) capability points for admin. Support role is Calmess, however, and I find Matilda to be better at that. Strong second.
Matilda is easily the best. With 2 turn Calmness, she can make gens with fantastic actives turn even more beastly. Aethelstan burns your enemies into oblivion with level 3 (now level 4?) portable flamethrower. Eleanor is third. If she had level 4 healing potential, she might be first or at least second, but level 3 with an item simply won't cut it here. Best of her class right now, but I doubt that ET will give us potential for a level 4 healer. Baldwin and Frederick are here for their actives. Those have a more tactical appeal for HL puzzles and whatnot. But outside of such, they are near useless besides being 2500-medal portable meatshields.
Honorable Mention PoH: Baldwin & Barbarossa - Both have immensly improved, probably one of the most (if not the most) drastic improvements with PoH. They go from meatshields to medieval Panzers. Their roles do not improve vastly, however, just their martial prowess.
So what does this tell us? That PoH is the best IAP. |
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Post by conkueror on Oct 17, 2022 11:31:20 GMT
Main problem with gens like Hardrada and Aethelred is that they don't have a uniwue weapon (so if all iaps are included too, they fall off there). And yeah, viking bond gens are very good in sea (though haven't been able to upgrade Ivar and Halfdan yet to get the last perk). Giovanni too looks beast in sea, if you add Navigator with gems when his weapon becomes available.
And how do you upgrade Matildas and Eleonoras skills? They seem to be one lvl short from what you said
Edit: There seems to be books which increase them in territory shop, but they are very expensive and wouldn't be highest priority to me anyway so kinda hard to get.
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Oct 17, 2022 11:54:26 GMT
Main problem with gens like Hardrada and Aethelred is that they don't have a uniwue weapon (so if all iaps are included too, they fall off there). And yeah, viking bond gens are very good in sea (though haven't been able to upgrade Ivar and Halfdan yet to get the last perk). Giovanni too looks beast in sea, if you add Navigator with gems when his weapon becomes available. And how do you upgrade Matildas and Eleonoras skills? They seem to be one lvl short from what you said Edit: There seems to be books which increase them in territory shop, but they are very expensive and wouldn't be highest priority to me anyway so kinda hard to get. In the territory shop, there is an item called the Helmet from the North. It's almost as if it was made for Harald Hardrada. Now, it is on the more expensive side, but it does give him almost an item-mini. Yes, I was talking about the books from territory. Unless you have another general and a perfect territory item for them, Matilda's and Eleanor's books are a pretty good purchase if you want some strong support gens. |
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Post by conkueror on Oct 17, 2022 13:49:35 GMT
I haven't really used supports, like healers. In campaigns and such, there is a limited number of gens available, so I'd rather pick a strong gen who can fight too, than just heal another one a little every couple of turns. But yeah, maybe they could be useful, dunno.
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Post by mrlamo on Oct 26, 2022 12:03:21 GMT
So I'll share this here too: What would your list look like if you had to put 5 (you can put more if you want) best generals from every category in order, no matter free or iap? Just the best gens rated by how good/useful/effective they are? (no iap privileges, just the gens prowess, items, units etc included) I'd say... 1. Melee infantry - Cnut, Beowulf, Basil, Otto*, Belisarius 2. Defense infantry - Su dingfung, William Wallace*, Belisarius, Caesar, Aetius 3. Melee cavalry - Baldwin, Alexios, Charlemagne, Roland, Fredrick 4. Charge cavalry - Richard, Nevsky, Alfred, Li Jing*, Edward 5. Ranged infantry - El Cid, Attila, Caesar, ?, ? (okay this is a tough one cuz most good arc gens are ranged) 6. Ranged cavalry - Timur, Genghis*, Saladin, Subutai, Nur Din star (*) means that I don't have any experience about that gen, just an estimate What do you think? I'd like to know what other people think, and also maybe find some new interesting gens I could try out o personnaly find timur weak |
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Post by yuanzhong on Oct 26, 2022 17:26:23 GMT
So I'll share this here too: What would your list look like if you had to put 5 (you can put more if you want) best generals from every category in order, no matter free or iap? Just the best gens rated by how good/useful/effective they are? (no iap privileges, just the gens prowess, items, units etc included) I'd say... 1. Melee infantry - Cnut, Beowulf, Basil, Otto*, Belisarius 2. Defense infantry - Su dingfung, William Wallace*, Belisarius, Caesar, Aetius 3. Melee cavalry - Baldwin, Alexios, Charlemagne, Roland, Fredrick 4. Charge cavalry - Richard, Nevsky, Alfred, Li Jing*, Edward 5. Ranged infantry - El Cid, Attila, Caesar, ?, ? (okay this is a tough one cuz most good arc gens are ranged) 6. Ranged cavalry - Timur, Genghis*, Saladin, Subutai, Nur Din star (*) means that I don't have any experience about that gen, just an estimate What do you think? I'd like to know what other people think, and also maybe find some new interesting gens I could try out o personnaly find timur weak Can you name someone you think better than him? |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 26, 2022 17:31:06 GMT
o personnaly find timur weak Can you name someone you think better than him? Attila, Genghis, Robin with weapon, Nur-ad-Din with weapon? Wait a minute, I feel like all of these have something in common, but I can't place my finger on it... |
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Post by mrlamo on Oct 26, 2022 17:31:52 GMT
o personnaly find timur weak Can you name someone you think better than him? well Subutai  but it s cause I have maxed my unit on him (kesigh lvl 16 and Mongolian rider lvl 15 ) |
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Post by awsome4444 on Oct 26, 2022 19:17:19 GMT
Can you name someone you think better than him? Attila, Genghis, Robin with weapon, Nur-ad-Din with weapon? Wait a minute, I feel like all of these have something in common, but I can't place my finger on it... You can make this argument with Genghis for sure. Attila, Robin, and Nur-ad Din are worse than Timur. Timur has higher archer points than Robin and Nur Din, and equal points to Attila. Timur outclasses Attila due to better passives, active, and points. This leaves Robin and Nur Din. However, both gens have to make use of at least one weaker unique unit to reach their full potentials. Nur Din needs Camel Archers and Robin needs Woad Raiders. While, Timur has one of the most powerful units as its unique unit. This gives him an edge of damage over the two other gens. Furthermore, Nur Din only has ranged tatician at lvl 2. Meanwhile, Timur has it at lvl 3 and also has another skill that boosts damge. This makes him weaker in comparison to Timur's even with active. Now with Timur against Robin hood, Timur can use IBC, Mamluk, and Mongol Riader combo. While, Robin hood has to use woad raider, Ibc, and mamluk combo to reach full potential. This gives Timur the advantage in damage. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Oct 27, 2022 4:09:14 GMT
Can you name someone you think better than him? Attila, Genghis, Robin with weapon, Nur-ad-Din with weapon? Wait a minute, I feel like all of these have something in common, but I can't place my finger on it... Please show some clues or evidences for what you said. Many time you give false information. awsome4444 already said above and I summarize what he said with some of my opinion. Timur vs Attila: same item buff, Timur has better legion, better buff skills, better active skill and with Rapid march Attila only better than Timur (have 1 more attack time) when has 2 additional buffs. who's better? Timur vs Robin: better item buff, better legion, better buff skills (master shooter doesn't work on woad). Rapid march is same to Attila. Robin Hood has 10% damage buff from normal item with gem set and 20% dmg buff every 5 turns, but 20% constant buff from Timur's weapon is always better (20% vs 14% - or 19% when you always use him attacking in forest, thanks for woad raider Chase ability - if we want the number). Timur vs Nurdin: are you serious? Please point what make Nurdin better than Timur. I'm speechless. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Oct 27, 2022 11:17:33 GMT
Attila, Genghis, Robin with weapon, Nur-ad-Din with weapon? Wait a minute, I feel like all of these have something in common, but I can't place my finger on it... Please show some clues or evidences for what you said. Many time you give false information. awsome4444 already said above and I summarize what he said with some of my opinion. Timur vs Attila: same item buff, Timur has better legion, better buff skills, better active skill and with Rapid march Attila only better than Timur (have 1 more attack time) when has 2 additional buffs. who's better? Timur vs Robin: better item buff, better legion, better buff skills (master shooter doesn't work on woad). Rapid march is same to Attila. Robin Hood has 10% damage buff from normal item with gem set and 20% dmg buff every 5 turns, but 20% constant buff from Timur's weapon is always better (20% vs 14% - or 19% when you always use him attacking in forest, thanks for woad raider Chase ability - if we want the number). Timur vs Nurdin: are you serious? Please point what make Nurdin better than Timur. I'm speechless. It was a joke punching at the many, MANY, IAP archer generals. But thanks for the analysis! |
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Post by Boss Tweed on Oct 28, 2022 17:55:49 GMT
o personnaly find timur weak Can you name someone you think better than him? Subutai with item is definitely able to challenge Timur since he combines Genghis with Timur with probably only draw back being lower title. Also maybe Attila since his unique unit ignores enemy defense has potential to be stronger. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Oct 28, 2022 23:57:32 GMT
Can you name someone you think better than him? Subutai with item is definitely able to challenge Timur since he combines Genghis with Timur with probably only draw back being lower title. Also maybe Attila since his unique unit ignores enemy defense has potential to be stronger. Attila vs Timur, only unique + MR gems set equiped.   |
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Post by Erich on Nov 11, 2022 5:44:45 GMT
Well, I think we have many hidden gems here in EW7, that’s the interesting thing. Nevertheless, I think a general is good if he suits your playstyle. The hidden gems are waiting to shine:
1. Micheal the Stammerer:
The only gen with level 2 Armor Piercing skill. With that Double Axe to increase Armor Piercing to level 3, he is one of the best supporting gen, anyone with level 3 Armor Piercing activated on should be easily annihilated in one turn. His other skills are also good, give him some Def Infs and let’s go.
2. William Iron Arm: Not much to say about the lite Hardrada, If you’re short on medals, why not give him a chance, he won’t let you down, believe me.
3. Andronikos III: This’ a good Charge Cav gen, all of his skills are good even with low tier Charge Cav units, and he can charge everywhere with his Swamp Commander skill.
4. Dihya: With a good title and Concentrated Defense skill level 2 that can easily be upgraded to level 3, she’s a tank if you don’t have that Su Dingfang.
5. Totila: A good hybrid gen, the best of him is that Outburst level 3, he can be good with Melee Inf, or Charge Cav, or even Melee Cav, or whatever unit with a charge chance. His title is low, though.
6. Gunderic and Elizabeth Woodville: Two good gens with the Poisoning skill that can be upgraded to level 3, Gunderic is ok with Melee Inf, and Elizabeth is good with Archer, or you can give her Cav Archer for hit and run tactic, go poisoning enemies and retreat, back again some turn later.
7. Adil I and Eleanor of Aquitain: The two medics, not much to say, but in a battle, if a squad has a medic, everyone should feel better.
8. Godfrey: If his Pathfinder can be upgraded to level 4, it would be another attack every 2 turn, approximately 50% increased in damage, a very good support gen.
9. William I of Sicily: A very good Melee Cav gen, his Rage can’t be upgraded to level 4, but with the right moment, this guy with Rage lvl 3 activated on can deal massive damage to enemies.
10. Sunicas: I know his title is too low, but without Richard, he’s the only gen with Intercept out there, with 2 good skills for Melee Cav, his performance is ok, nevertheless.
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but it s cause I have maxed my unit on him (kesigh lvl 16 and Mongolian rider lvl 15 ) 
