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Post by jonblend on Nov 11, 2022 22:42:23 GMT
Well, I think we have many hidden gems here in EW7, that’s the interesting thing. Nevertheless, I think a general is good if he suits your playstyle. The hidden gems are waiting to shine: 1. Micheal the Stammerer: The only gen with level 2 Armor Piercing skill. With that Double Axe to increase Armor Piercing to level 3, he is one of the best supporting gen, anyone with level 3 Armor Piercing activated on should be easily annihilated in one turn. His other skills are also good, give him some Def Infs and let’s go. 2. William Iron Arm: Not much to say about the lite Hardrada, If you’re short on medals, why not give him a chance, he won’t let you down, believe me. 3. Andronikos III: This’ a good Charge Cav gen, all of his skills are good even with low tier Charge Cav units, and he can charge everywhere with his Swamp Commander skill. 4. Dihya: With a good title and Concentrated Defense skill level 2 that can easily be upgraded to level 3, she’s a tank if you don’t have that Su Dingfang. 5. Totila: A good hybrid gen, the best of him is that Outburst level 3, he can be good with Melee Inf, or Charge Cav, or even Melee Cav, or whatever unit with a charge chance. His title is low, though. 6. Gunderic and Elizabeth Woodville: Two good gens with the Poisoning skill that can be upgraded to level 3, Gunderic is ok with Melee Inf, and Elizabeth is good with Archer, or you can give her Cav Archer for hit and run tactic, go poisoning enemies and retreat, back again some turn later. 7. Adil I and Eleanor of Aquitain: The two medics, not much to say, but in a battle, if a squad has a medic, everyone should feel better. 8. Godfrey: If his Pathfinder can be upgraded to level 4, it would be another attack every 2 turn, approximately 50% increased in damage, a very good support gen. 9. William I of Sicily: A very good Melee Cav gen, his Rage can’t be upgraded to level 4, but with the right moment, this guy with Rage lvl 3 activated on can deal massive damage to enemies. 10. Sunicas: I know his title is too low, but without Richard, he’s the only gen with Intercept out there, with 2 good skills for Melee Cav, his performance is ok, nevertheless. The problem I see with the outburst generals is that we need to give them heraldry so they can command 3 units which are better invested into gold/hero legend generals. I also wouldn't give support generals highest quality gear such as the +24 axe, but I haven't used Michael S. since the beginning of the game, maybe it's time for reevaluation  What are situations where poison is actually useful and what do you think about Eustace and the other guy who have garrison swap (at 4 mobility cost instead of baldwin's 3) And rage from Ivar /formation from narses I use quite often because it can also be given to team members (the damage dealers/ "special guest" in campaign). Dihya and all the Pathfinders are particularly useful in conquest and Sunicas is my personal favorite for secret hero of early to mid game campaign completion without using tons of war drums. |
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Post by Erich on Nov 13, 2022 8:31:41 GMT
The problem I see with the outburst generals is that we need to give them heraldry so they can command 3 units which are better invested into gold/hero legend generals. I also wouldn't give support generals highest quality gear such as the +24 axe, but I haven't used Michael S. since the beginning of the game, maybe it's time for reevaluation What are situations where poison is actually useful and what do you think about Eustace and the other guy who have garrison swap (at 4 mobility cost instead of baldwin's 3) And rage from Ivar /formation from narses I use quite often because it can also be given to team members (the damage dealers/ "special guest" in campaign). Dihya and all the Pathfinders are particularly useful in conquest and Sunicas is my personal favorite for secret hero of early to mid game campaign completion without using tons of war drums. Oh, I think Poisoning is good facing the Thousands-Hit Point-Enemies, and when doing the hit and run tactic like some videos about Gengis, Poisoning is not as good as Gengis/Subutai’s active skill, but ok when in Expedition. Most of those generals I mentioned above are ok, I give them a chance in Expedition mod when my main team badly damaged; and if used at the right moment, right playstyle, they’re not only ok, but good and deserve. About the Garrison Swap skill, I only use those generals in “protect the VIP with suicidal inclination” missions  |
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Post by gladiator on Nov 30, 2022 17:12:14 GMT
F2P with unique equipment available in campaign/free triumphs:
1.Melee - Cnut and Basil
2.Def.- Narses
3.Mel. cav - Roland, Alfred
4.Charge cav. - Alfred, Nevsky/Tzimiskes
5.Ranged inf. - El Cid, Timur
6.Ranged cav. - El Cid, Timur.
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Post by conkueror on Nov 30, 2022 17:47:48 GMT
I just updated my original post becouse there are new gens and my opinion about some has changed since I first posted this.
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Post by jasonstoltz on Dec 22, 2022 20:48:56 GMT
Can anyone explain why Beowulf doesn't make most lists? I feel like he's better than Cnut, but ya'll correct me please.
I can pump his Infantry Tactician level up to 3 which adds 10% damage for all infantry, which is at least comparable to Cnut's level 4 Melee Infantry skill, if not strictly better...
It's also simple to add Melee Tactician Level 1 with gems for a small added bonus.
Master of Assault is comparable.
But the big plus for Beowulf is his Outburst skill. The gaurunteed charge every two turns is a pretty reliable 1-shot skill.
I also boost his title to Royal Duke with gems... which even at Royal Duke I guess is a fair disadvantage to the Emporer title.
However, I don't know, I think it's really just the Outburst skill that makes the difference to me.
What do ya'll think?
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Post by andrei on Dec 22, 2022 21:02:50 GMT
Can anyone explain why Beowulf doesn't make most lists? What do ya'll think? He is only available with IAP. |
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Post by jasonstoltz on Dec 22, 2022 22:28:18 GMT
Can anyone explain why Beowulf doesn't make most lists? What do ya'll think? He is only available with IAP. That makes sense. One more question, can someone explain why Alfred is considered a good cavalry general? He has pole-arm mastery and melee cavalry, both great abilities, but which benefit two different classes of cavalry. |
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Post by jasonstoltz on Dec 22, 2022 22:31:14 GMT
So I'll share this here too: What would your list look like if you had to put 5 (you can put more if you want) best generals from every category in order, no matter free or iap? Just the best gens rated by how good/useful/effective they are? (no iap privileges, just the gens prowess, items, units etc included) I'd say... 1. Melee infantry - Cnut, Robert the Bruce, Beowulf, Basil, Harald Hardrada 2. Defense infantry - Su dingfung*, William Wallace*, Belisarius, Narses, Caesar 3. Melee cavalry - Baldwin, Gao Xianzhi, Charlemagne, Roland, Frederick 4. Charge cavalry - Richard, Alfred, Tzimiskes, Edward, Nevsky 5. Ranged infantry - El Cid, Attila, Giovanni, Caesar, Narses (okay this is a tough one cuz most good arc gens are ranged, but I prefer to have some infantry ones too becouse they are cheap and versatile) 6. Ranged cavalry - Timur, Genghis*, Subutai, Saladin, Nur Din star (*) means that I don't have any experience about that gen, just an estimate What do you think? I'd like to know what other people think, and also maybe find some new interesting gens I could try out --Edited 30/11/2022, after 1.9 update and some progression in the game 😁 Is each category in your list ranked, from left to right? |
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Post by andrei on Dec 23, 2022 9:19:52 GMT
He is only available with IAP. That makes sense. One more question, can someone explain why Alfred is considered a good cavalry general? He has pole-arm mastery and melee cavalry, both great abilities, but which benefit two different classes of cavalry. You probably mean the discussions in some old threads. Earlier there was no good alternatives. Simeon has no item. Nevskiy item is a bit worse and his special unit is difficult to obtain, Baldwin and Barbarossa items are in IAP section, so basically there was no good alternatives. Now with the introduction of Chinese gens and Tzimiskes he looks less impressive. But again.. his unit is extremely easy to upgrade to max if compared to other gens. |
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Post by pug on Dec 23, 2022 12:05:25 GMT
Limiting analysis to legendary equipment, gems lvl 4
Alfred: max Cavalry: 61 Legendary weapon cavalry: +40 Legendary weapon Damage reduction: -22% Damage by special unit: 20% Damage increase by additional skill (gems) Cavalry Tactician Lvl1: 5% (and the gems are a perfect combination for cavalry, on level 4: +4% damage +32 Cavalry) Polearm: 15% damage increase Sum: 133 cavalry, -22% damage reduction, +44% damage increase Skill: Tunneling
Nevski max Cavalry: 65
Legendary weapon cavalry: +40
Legendary weapon Damage reduction/increase: NONE
Damage by special unit: 20% (much more expensive to get to level 12 or higher)
Damage increase by additional skill (gems) Charging Cavalry Lvl2: 7% (and the gems are a great combination for cavalry, on level 4: -4% damage +32 Cavalry)
Cavalry Tactician (lvl 3): 10% damage increase
Polearm: 10% damage increase
Sum: 137 cavalry, -4% damage reduction, +47%% damage increase Skill: Insight
John Tzimiskes max Cavalry: 69
Legendary weapon cavalry: +40
Legendary weapon Damage reduction: -22%
Damage by special unit: 20% (much more expensive to get to level 12 or higher)
Damage increase by additional skill (gems) - no nice combination - lets assume like on Alfred on level 4: +4% damage +32 Cavalry
Cavalry Tactician (lvl 3): 10% damage increase
Charging Cavalry (Lvl 3): 10% damage increase
Sum: 141 cavalry, -22% damage reduction, +44%% damage increase
Skill: Disperse Formation
Comparison Alfred: 133 cavalry, -22% damage reduction, +44% damage increase Nevski: 137 cavalry, -4% damage reduction, +47%% damage increase John Tzimiskes: 141 cavalry, -22% damage reduction, +44%% damage increase
Analysis:
all are really similar. Nevski is worse becazse no real damage reduction, but probably the best skill Alfred the easiest to get special unit Alfred gets slight advantage on melee cavalry (helpful in campaings, when use of best units is quite limited)
You wont do anything wrong with any of those cavalry gens on charging cavalry, but for me it's slightly Alfred -> Nevski -> Tzimiskes
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Post by conkueror on Dec 23, 2022 15:02:36 GMT
Is each category in your list ranked, from left to right? Yes, though keep in mind this is only my opinion and also would look different for f2p. I just edited it a bit again and also added new gens in the end for different purposes |
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