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Post by sh88 on Oct 20, 2022 13:30:40 GMT
Im playing the game since 2019, very randomly sometimes doing all the task sometimes skipping everything for many days, but I can consider myself an endgame player since I have my 16+ top tier generals almost fully upgraded. Grinding for those new trials will be very painful and with my rate it will really take months till 2023 (4 princess + low tier generals) to get the tasks and grind all the resources, and I still miss to buy Charlemagne and butcher for example.
I also bet as you the they will add more trail in the future since they are completely missing Arab/asian/American generals and princess.
But honestly I have to give 5 star+ to this update because is really funny to play with forgotten generals, and dreaming to have the opportunity to play the mightful yoshitune or El Cid...I was getting very bored to play the "mandatory" pattern of the same fist of 8 generals in a rose of more than 50.
Also is a record for the whole easytech team since is absolutely the only game from them where you have the opportunity to use all the generals, usually was the opposite: a trashcan of 100+ scrap generals, that I cannot even name or remember the portrait, where all the players need to use the same 4-5 mandatory generals+IAP if they want to play and pass the campaigns.
By this time ew5 beat so far ew7 and any Ew and world conqueror games, from friendly-grinding to general features
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Oct 20, 2022 13:37:34 GMT
I think that this should be a late-endgame to post-endgame side, side quest.
Unless the princesses are really worth investing in mediocre to terrible gens, which they don't seem to be, there's not much to gain in rushing head-first right away.
Worse yet, some slots are held by IAP gens, which means that if we need all hands on deck to barely win without IAP gens, we're better off focusing on other modes.
Additionally, if we focus on following the updated traditional gen path, our 8-12 core gens can handle most modes except this. Highlighting that this isn't really something we can readily clear "along the way".
Despite giving ET the benefit of being an experimental attempt at further encouraging players to buy and use all gens, it's not very rewarding.
Other games give other characters lacking in rarity / exclusivity some balancing or unique features that make them worth investing in, from the starting to their latest version.
EW5 hasn't really done this well, given that our Hannibal and Robin are likely 3* and 2* respectively (under ideal cases) and other weak gens at their respective base level capacity (like Spartacus) if they were bought.
Besides filling in blanks for Daily Missions, there is no need or incentive to upgrade them, unless you fancy them and have too much time and resources to spare, until now.
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Post by jonblend on Oct 20, 2022 14:46:58 GMT
For Kazan: 1. Peter, Barbarossa, Henry +free slot 2. Peter, Huo, Jebe, Barbarossa, Henry, Batu Khan 3. Catherine, Attila, Blucher +free slot 4. Catherine, Robin Hood, Attila, Bismarck, Blucher, Charlemagne 5. Catherine, Peter, Attila, Blucher, Henry, Barbarossa, Conrad +free slot 6. I don't know yet Mission 5 is where it starts to become difficult; before that, low levels can be compensated with equipment. I've just tried that. The first attempt went bad  . You have to split them in 4 mini teams and my generals aren't durable enough. (Conrad?!? Lol) I did the first 3 missions for all 3 locations and they are relatively easy (still necessary someone to clear the spam). The 4th missions start to be more difficult, and at the 5th you need to have all required generals at a high level. I had 34 thousand medals and I've already spent 20 thousand to upgrade them... now I need to have them gain xp in Cagliari and with daily missions Yup, same for me, with teams according to spawn positions, SW went well, SE was a one man show, NW went ok but I didn't have full aura and good equipment on Peter and NE, well they were stomped by Minotaur and general who takes half from archers. Maybe Attila to NE next time and Suri as free slot. But first, more levels for Henry and Conrad.
And I briefly stopped playing after saving up 20k medals, should have gone for more  since 8k have already been spent on upgrading the unused ones.
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Post by stoic on Oct 20, 2022 15:18:41 GMT
They say: "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it", but I am still unsure about how to come to it  By never restarting the game, that's how you come to it Or at least keep a main account Well, I definitely won't delete my progress anymore. I believe that new chapters and missions whatever they may be are created with endgame players in mind, not beginners. So, there is less and less sense to start the game every time anew because we can't speak of "teams" anymore. We just need every purchasable general. That's it, period. |
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Post by jonblend on Oct 20, 2022 16:04:28 GMT
My suspicion they will add more trials eventually. It may be entertaining but it is a real pain for players who restarted the game only recently like Iron Duke or myself. I really don't know at the moment how to plan my expenditures... They say: "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it", but I am still unsure about how to come to it Agreed, in fact I've said it elsewhere but I'll say it here too for the official record: I really don't know if I'll complete the whole thing in this run and I'm not committing to it. My aim is to do all of the usual game plus hard mode campaigns and one unit trail. The other 3 unit trails, princess trails and Paris are minor considerations in my book and potentially could take months to complete after you've done everything else. I saw blueberry say he's already spent 20k medals upgrading some generals for the princess trails and he & jonblend are probably better judges than you and I on how much time and effort it takes to complete the 4 unit trails in a normal game; I've done them of course but with the considerable advantage of already having every single non-IAP general upgraded Yeah I think the numbers for f2p and full completion are pretty bleak here: daily income nowadays is 690+ads+castle, something around 740 maybe. And while getting the princesses and maxing the castle effectively drains medals, we can't save on the generals part any longer, either.
The 60->70 level up (sometimes also the 50->60), stat skills and fully upgrading some chance based skills can be neglected but I estimate that 10 months to one year worth of daily grinding would be necessary.
In other games like GCR, later updates provided both end game content and made it easier for new players/re-starters to get there (while at the same time turning everything but the end game into a joke). Not so much the EW5 princess update. We can't easily grab the summoning jewelry and general specific items to help us in the unit trails; only Maria's earrings and summoning her doesn't change much, while we actually needed more (and I mean lots more) medals for faster progress.
On a side note I think that ET's philosophy has changed away from hard/frustrating games where failing to identify optimal generals, strategies and priorities meant being stuck or having to spend extra time/money to compensate for mistakes. Currently (EW7, GoG3, GCR) we can/need to have lots of generals and saving a little time and resources here and there won't matter in the big picture. This makes their games easier but more time consuming because there is a certain limit of medals/resources per day.
So less players turned away by difficulty/steep learning curve, a stronger connection/commitment to the game and if they happen to be impatient/willing to score high in PvP modes then more IAP revenue.
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Post by blueberry on Oct 20, 2022 18:51:02 GMT
KAZAN 5 I split the generals like this: SE: Attila SW: Catherine and Henry. It's better to take the buildings to avoid being blocked by the spam. I used Borte to produce some infantry. NW: Bismarck and Conrad. I used Bismarck because this fort has higher hp, though I should have used Alexander, I didn't think of it. NE: Barbarossa, Peter and Blücher. The minotaur and the general are quite strong, therefore strong generals are needed. On turn 11 only Catherine and Henry couldn't return to kill Hela, because they still needed to crack the fort. I won barely with the last available move on turn 12. KAZAN 6 This was tough. The spam is heavy and there are many tough myth units and generals. I didn't kill the Odin near the green spot immediately, I cleared up some of the monsters around him, first. Then, after killing the red-circled units that arrived, I came back through the center leaving Conrad and Beowulf to hold a chokepoint. The rest is a no-brainer. I used Pachacuti for the available free slot For both these missions the generals I used were at these lvls: Catherine, Peter, Bismarck, Beowulf, Barbarossa, Attila, Pachacuti at lvl 70, with the useful skills maxed; Blücher and Conrad lvl 54, skills at 1/1/1; Henry lvl 63 with max spy (but he is still quite useless...). Maybe it's possible to save some medals leaving some of them at a lower lvl (Conrad and Henry at lvl 5?), I don't know. |
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Post by blueberry on Oct 20, 2022 19:45:21 GMT
Upgrade cost of the princesses' jewelry:
1 -> 2 ....... 150 medals and 30 crown coins
2 -> 3 ...... 240 and 45
3 -> 4 ....... 360 and 60
4 -> 5 ...... 450 and 80
5 -> 6 ...... 600 and 100
6 -> 7 ...... 700 and 120
7 -> 8 ...... 750 and 140
8 -> 9 ....... 800 and 160
9 -> 10 ...... 850 and 180
I upgraded only Maria's, but I suppose the cost is the same for all 4 jewels.
And clearly we will have to buy crown coins in the castle, if we want to max them all.
From the trails we can get only 1200 (400*3) + 90 (5 cc for every battle completed with 3 stars)
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Post by visiel on Oct 20, 2022 19:58:37 GMT
Nice bro. Well done.
I update Maria and I can confirm your update cost is similar as mine.
Bonus on Sophia 5 enemies' stats (I jot it down to brainstorm the strategy lol):
North East: Minotaur 7719, 449, 324; Assault Infantry (70) 5k+, 720, 470
North West: Infantry (60) 5251, 874, 507
South West: Frost Giant 4431, 394, 284; Infantry (60) 4362, 702, 371
South East: Hoplite (70) 4869, 760, 312; Hoplite (70) 4690, 889, 435
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Post by blueberry on Oct 20, 2022 20:23:15 GMT
Nice bro. Well done. I update Maria and I can confirm your update cost is similar as mine. Bonus on Sophia 5 enemies' stats (I jot it down to brainstorm the strategy lol): North East: Minotaur 7719, 449, 324; Assault Infantry (70) 5k+, 720, 470 North West: Infantry (60) 5251, 874, 507 South West: Frost Giant 4431, 394, 284; Infantry (60) 4362, 702, 371 South East: Hoplite (70) 4869, 760, 312; Hoplite (70) 4690, 889, 435 Sorry, I meant Maria's jewel, I confused them. I corrected it. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 21, 2022 5:44:23 GMT
Is it possible to summon Princesses in regular campaigns or missions other than Trials?
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Post by visiel on Oct 21, 2022 6:01:22 GMT
stoic, Yes, you can. Patras Trial 1. Alexander, Belisarius, Saladin, Hannibal, Caesar, Spartacus 2. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, El Cid, Caesar + free slot 3. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, Saladin, Caesar, Cleopatra 4. Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Belisarius, Khalid, Cleopatra, Caesar
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Post by blueberry on Oct 21, 2022 20:26:13 GMT
stoic, Yes, you can. Patras Trial 1. Alexander, Belisarius, Saladin, Hannibal, Caesar, Spartacus 2. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, El Cid, Caesar + free slot 3. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, Saladin, Caesar, Cleopatra 4. Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Belisarius, Khalid, Cleopatra, Caesar Patras 5: Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Kemal, Columbus (!?), Caesar + free slot Patras 6: Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Kemal, Cleopatra + 4 free slots Isle of Man 6: Napoleon, Richard, Joan, Nelson, Petain + 2 free slots |
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Post by blueberry on Oct 21, 2022 20:32:06 GMT
Probably Kazan's missions are the easiest. I tried Isle of Man 5 and 6 and they have an insane amount of generals and myth units. I hope it will be possible to complete them with 3 stars even without Napoleon.
Patras 4 and 5 require good timing to get 3 stars. Still need to try Patras 6.
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Post by jonblend on Oct 21, 2022 22:09:55 GMT
stoic , Yes, you can. Patras Trial 1. Alexander, Belisarius, Saladin, Hannibal, Caesar, Spartacus 2. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, El Cid, Caesar + free slot 3. Alexander, Suleiman, Belisarius, Saladin, Caesar, Cleopatra 4. Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Belisarius, Khalid, Cleopatra, Caesar Patras 5: Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Kemal, Columbus (!?), Caesar + free slot Patras 6: Alexander, Leonidas, Suleiman, Kemal, Cleopatra + 4 free slots Isle of Man 6: Napoleon, Richard, Joan, Nelson, Petain + 2 free slots You're really fast, just training my generals keeps me busy and I'm now at 15k medals spent because I decided to go for Suleiman.
Nice, we can avoid leveling El Cid, Wallace, Robin, Spartacus, (Hannibal), Huo, Batu Khan, Belisarius after all.
For Kazan 5, I took your suggestion which worked wonders and went for NW Alex, Henry
NE Attila, Barbarossa SW Blucher, Peter
SE Catherine, Conrad
And Kazan 6 was a lot easier because I had Armor Master 8 on Blucher and Henry with Aegis was actually good at holding the bottleneck to the central building.
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Post by jonblend on Oct 21, 2022 22:17:36 GMT
Upgrade cost of the princesses' jewelry: 1 -> 2 ....... 150 medals and 30 crown coins 2 -> 3 ...... 240 and 45 3 -> 4 ....... 360 and 60 4 -> 5 ...... 450 and 80 5 -> 6 ...... 600 and 100 6 -> 7 ...... 700 and 120 7 -> 8 ...... 750 and 140 8 -> 9 ....... 800 and 160 9 -> 10 ...... 850 and 180 I upgraded only Maria's, but I suppose the cost is the same for all 4 jewels. And clearly we will have to buy crown coins in the castle, if we want to max them all. From the trails we can get only 1200 (400*3) + 90 (5 cc for every battle completed with 3 stars) Sophia 3->4 is 360 medals and 80 cc, lets hope the medals (which are a lot already) stay at least the same for all of them. |
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. You have to split them in 4 mini teams and my generals aren't durable enough. (Conrad?!? Lol)
since 8k have already been spent on upgrading the unused ones.
