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Post by grandmarshal on Oct 25, 2022 22:57:46 GMT
I have Messe, Leeb, Guderian, Konev, Rommel, and Nimitz all with rumor (Rommel and Guderian have level 4 rumor) but are otherwise un-upgraded with medals, and I have 1900+ medals right now. I have 3 starred all hard mode for the first two campaigns, and am stuck on Cold War missions, and I still have barely done any conquests so I can grab some medals if I want to that way. I was wondering who should I get next, if any? I think I need another navy like Donitz, or maybe an infantry general like Yamashita.
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 26, 2022 0:23:10 GMT
grandmarshal, In Cold War your primary use for navy generals is gonna be to put them on a cruiser so they can use rumour and be a meat shield to protect your land units. I'd say upgrading Guderian probably gives you the most upside relative to cost, and then after you've upgraded Guderian to about 75% full you can upgrade Konev a bit too. Depending on how upgraded Nimitz is you might not need to get Donitz until later on. I wouldn't recommend getting an infantry general cause they're only really useful in conquest and then only because they're fast and can steal cities for you. To beat Cold War you need a decent amount of damage plus a lot of survivability and infantry generals are... paper-thin so they can't help you there.
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Post by grandmarshal on Nov 1, 2022 19:01:31 GMT
Okay so I think another navy general would be good, and then I can gather some more generals to get Rundstedt on his discount. Should I get Donitz or Yamamoto?
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Nov 1, 2022 20:29:30 GMT
Okay so I think another navy general would be good, and then I can gather some more generals to get Rundstedt on his discount. Should I get Donitz or Yamamoto? 1. Get Rokossovsky before another navy general. 2. Dönitz over Yamamoto every day of the week. 3. I wouldn't go for an infantry general before you've cleared all scenarios. |
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Post by Dorado St. Sebastian on Nov 1, 2022 20:43:06 GMT
Okay so I think another navy general would be good, and then I can gather some more generals to get Rundstedt on his discount. Should I get Donitz or Yamamoto? I have 12 gens. Messe, Guderian, Leeb, Konev, kutznetov, Rommel, Arnold, Nimitz, Donitz, Rundstedt, Rokosovsky, and Manstein. I have 11k medals and considering Yamashita also because I f. Gens do well in frontier mode. Yamamoto, hes a hybrid which can do for Arnold and Nimitz. And lastly, Graziani. Although historically, I don't like him for his actions vs Omar the desert lion of Lybia but in game, he's versatile given non class skills. Donitz is my main Navy go-to as he is pure Navy and a must have in my book. Hope this helps |
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 0:51:35 GMT
Okay so I think another navy general would be good, and then I can gather some more generals to get Rundstedt on his discount. Should I get Donitz or Yamamoto? I have 12 gens. Messe, Guderian, Leeb, Konev, kutznetov, Rommel, Arnold, Nimitz, Donitz, Rundstedt, Rokosovsky, and Manstein. I have 11k medals and considering Yamashita also because I f. Gens do well in frontier mode. Yamamoto, hes a hybrid which can do for Arnold and Nimitz. And lastly, Graziani. Although historically, I don't like him for his actions vs Omar the desert lion of Lybia but in game, he's versatile given non class skills. Donitz is my main Navy go-to as he is pure Navy and a must have in my book. Hope this helps never get yamamoto if you have yet to complete the game! too expensive and his skills can easily be attained through employing much more affordable generals like arnold (who is quite strong too with crowd tactics that can support your land output if you decide to use him there) Dorado St. Sebastian, yup you should get yamashita, hands down best infantry general in the game. I think I had rather lengthy debates with people in the past as to whether Graziani is a viable general... you can defo get him since you are already probably late game, but given that he is definitely inferior to optimal guderian you should focus on your current generals (maxing skills and upgrading health stats) |
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 0:56:57 GMT
Okay so I think another navy general would be good, and then I can gather some more generals to get Rundstedt on his discount. Should I get Donitz or Yamamoto? 1. Get Rokossovsky before another navy general. 2. Dönitz over Yamamoto every day of the week. 3. I wouldn't go for an infantry general before you've cleared all scenarios. true about point 2. For point one as long as you have rommel / guderian, guderian / manstein, messe / guderian you shouldn't need to use roko unless you are in the late game where 3 good tank generals will be useful. 2 naval gens will be very helpful in the middle game (donitz for most of your medal invasions w his wolf pack, and a hard hitting cruiser gen w explosives for conquests and hybrid land sea campaigns) And for point 3, most players just start out with Tito, or no one (maybe konev for his decent infantry stats), and use them all the way. I think getting yamashita from the start by saving up and not investing in tito/messe really helped to boost my early game progress, especially since infantry generals are easier to recruit (given cost) and are more mobile, helping me to clear many early conquests and campaigns despite having a limited amnt of gens and tech. As such, I think getting the main three generals - Guderian, Yamashita, Konev, before deciding on your other roster additions, is quite important to ensure you have a very strong foundation in all three units (artillery, armoured, inf). |
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 0:58:40 GMT
I think there are some articles out there that deal with doctrine and the use of infantry generals (I was quite a fervent proponent of explosives / yamashita back then...) but I cant remember where they all are haha, perhaps the library has some useful sections and links on it
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 2, 2022 1:09:03 GMT
I think there are some articles out there that deal with doctrine and the use of infantry generals (I was quite a fervent proponent of explosives / yamashita back then...) but I cant remember where they all are haha, perhaps the library has some useful sections and links on it Yamashita helps so much in frontier mode, and I've been trying to get a few more generals with explosives ever since I beat scenario (which meant that I didn't need general damage-boosting skills as much). I tried using MacArthur, but considering his base damage was about 20 lower than Yamashita, I didn't end up liking him, especially cause he costs 200 more medals and only has slightly better mobility. |
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 1:13:19 GMT
I think there are some articles out there that deal with doctrine and the use of infantry generals (I was quite a fervent proponent of explosives / yamashita back then...) but I cant remember where they all are haha, perhaps the library has some useful sections and links on it Yamashita helps so much in frontier mode, and I've been trying to get a few more generals with explosives ever since I beat scenario (which meant that I didn't need general damage-boosting skills as much). I tried using MacArthur, but considering his base damage was about 20 lower than Yamashita, I didn't end up liking him, especially cause he costs 200 more medals and only has slightly better mobility. yea xD macarthur's skills limit his utility, yamashita is still king. I only bought rundstedt to clear his annoying offer bar off of my screen  I found him useful in conquests too, but perhaps im more of a speedrunner... used him to charge right ahead and raid unprotected cities that I can parasnipe |
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Post by grandmarshal on Nov 2, 2022 1:38:10 GMT
So what I’m getting from this conversation is to either get Rokossovsky or Donitz first before getting an infantry general? In my opinion Rokossovsky (a third general) isn’t that necessary when I have Messe, but my only Nimitz doesn’t do that well in Exercises and some scenarios, so maybe Donitz is next? What do y’all think
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Nov 2, 2022 12:19:55 GMT
So what I’m getting from this conversation is to either get Rokossovsky or Donitz first before getting an infantry general? In my opinion Rokossovsky (a third general) isn’t that necessary when I have Messe, but my only Nimitz doesn’t do that well in Exercises and some scenarios, so maybe Donitz is next? What do y’all think Tank generals reign supreme in this game, so you can honestly never have too many tank generals (well... you could, but only if you have like 6 or something). If you have survival-boosting skills on Guderian and Rommel (like blitzkrieg and rumour) you'll find Rokossovsky useful as a pure damage dealer who might not live quite as long. I would still say get Donitz first cause he does insane navy damage and his Wolfpack basically turns all of the ships next to him into small generals as well. I never liked Graziani cause he's also a survival-based general and I already have two of those. Infantry generals are great in conquest but absolutely abysmal in scenario cause they'll get two-shot by almost any tank or artillery general in the game. Even Yamashita. So get Donitz is you're unhappy with Nimitz; Rokossovsky if you're fine with Nimitz and you don't like the performance of your tank generals. Don't get any infantry generals yet. |
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 12:28:01 GMT
Ideal general path:
Guderian --> Konev --> Rommel --> Leeb --> Yamashita/Nimitz/Donitz --> any of the previous three, preferably yamashita by now --> roko --> arnold/dowding/any of the previous unselected three
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 12:29:08 GMT
my personal path went like this and worked well:
Gud --> yamashita --> Konev --> rommel --> leeb --> nimitz --> donitz --> roko --> arnold --> dowding --> gov --> mannerheim
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Post by jimtgaming on Nov 2, 2022 12:32:35 GMT
european-war-4.boards.net/thread/7544/generals-guide-beginners-path?page=1I think you can find sufficient information on all the tried and tested general paths here new players might find grinding for guderian straight away quite tough without the experience / patience so it is perfectly alright to start out with messe + leeb, the traditional beginner gens, before moving on to guderian konev rommel, the expensive metas
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