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Post by conkueror on Nov 22, 2022 15:22:05 GMT
So I have been gradually upgrading almost all my gens (except the trash ones), like I have all unique weapons I have a corresponding gen for, upgraded to lvl7 (I have PoH), each has two lvl2-3 gem suitable for them etc. Of course, the very best have received little more care than the rest (better items, more gems, etc.)
But now I think that I have reached the point where I have to decide few best for each category and focus on them, possibly at the expense of some already upgraded gens (taking their gems and/or purple/golden items away to further boost the best ones).
I like to use many gens and can't decide who to invest in. Some are also more suitable in certain levels or situations than others. But using big array of gens also means that I have to invest in many different units and it gets harder and harder all the time.
For example, I have 7 relatively good melee cav gens; Roland, Charlemagne, Baldwin, Khalid, Alexios, Frederik, and now Gao.
...and 6 charge cav; Richard, Alfred, Nevsky, Edward I, Li Jing and John I Tzimiskes.
The current "best" (most upgraded and used) are Richard, Alfred, Roland, Charlemagne and Baldwin. Which ones should I focus on, and which ones I should possibly forget and downgrade for the sake of others?
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 22, 2022 16:09:36 GMT
nevsky over roland imo. rest is perfect in my eyes
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Post by conkueror on Nov 22, 2022 19:32:21 GMT
I actively use both charge and melee, and they are different class. Roland melee, Nevsky charge.
Richard and Alfred have good items (damage buff & reduce), other charges have only 1 useful attribute (capability points). Just got Tzimiskes' weapon and he too has damage reduction, but doesn't seem that good otherwise. Whereas Nevsky, Edward and Li Jing could do more damage, so it it hard to decide between those 4.
As for melee, Alexios and Frederik could be easily disposable. I bought Alexios when I had lots of medals and becouse his hero legend, but never really used him much. Bad active, bad item. Frederik really only good for some protect target missions.
Also, how do you use books and armors? Books for archers, armors for charge cav?
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 23, 2022 2:45:27 GMT
yes to books and armor. also basil with armor bc not a tank like cnut. a book for cnut bc i dont use his unique unit dmg bc of low vikings. i would still downgrade roland as you have iaps. and baldwin can fill both shoes anyway and must be incredible with his weapon. but you seem to have your gens figured out anyway. i dont think there is much to revolutionize in your setup in a gamechanging way. only that idk if you deploy that many cav gens ever... i use alfred mostly and nevsky often, baldwin if i need his utility or have a weird mixed campaign legion with nothing better to put on. so yes taking the gems out of many could be perfectly fine. not that richard needs more dmg  |
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Post by conkueror on Nov 23, 2022 10:25:28 GMT
I actually have one armor on Beowulf and he is an absolute beast. Pretty much stopped using Basil now that I got Bruce, he seems to be very good, even though I have yet to figure out how to use him effectively 😅.
And yes, that is the thing. I don't use this many other than in conquests but I can't decide between them 😅. Guess I'll go with John now becouse he has better item than those other three, and I don't even have Li Jings unit yet.
Though now I started to think if Alfred is that good either, after all. I always thought his melee cav skill also benefits charge cav, but apparently this is not the case. I have had book on him, so maybe that is why he has been able to keep up that well until this.
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Post by lafluth on Nov 23, 2022 11:54:06 GMT
It’s funny because I do the opposite (if I understood correctly): I put armor and defense items/gems on my tankiest gens, the ones whose special weapons have dmg reduction, and I put offensive atk buff items/gems on my most aggressive gens. So my cnut and alfred are very tanky with comparatively less atk potential, while my most aggressive gens are very much glass canons (nevsky, basil, rob the bruce, timur although high dodge makes him tanky too… until he gets hit).
I am actually having fun with bob the bruce these days: with high atk I send him to finish off multiple legions in one go with his special skill. When it works it is quite cool, he can finish off 3 or 4 in one go because he gets +1 movmt after defeating a legion, and that also gets him back to full health. I have him with swiss halbard for dmg buff, royal sm to get 35% bonus since he gets to high morale relatively easily with his skill, and one varangian. Royal sm and varangian both benefit from master of assault lvl 4 so he hits pretty hard.
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Post by conkueror on Nov 23, 2022 13:07:19 GMT
Don't your offensive gens die off immediately then, after like one good "suprise attack"?
And why not lombardy on Bruce instead of swiss? Same skills and +20% damage buff for whole legion.
Also have to ask, I don't quite understand Bruces active. It says "in one grid", so shouldn't nearby own units also get the +1 mobility and health replenishment, but I don't think I've seen them do that.
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Post by lafluth on Nov 23, 2022 13:53:32 GMT
Sorry I meant lombard not swiss, indeed  Yes my offensive gens are quite fragile but that’s what they do, either hit and run, or I position them where they are shielded by a tank or two, or go take out lonesome units. Often I soften big gens withe tanks and the offensive gens come and finish them at the end. I think +10 or 20% defense does not make that much difference, whereas +60-70% (with all bonuses applied) make gens very tanky. Also having a strong op offensive gen can take out weak to medium strength legions in one go, thereby eliminating the threat. Good point about Bruce’s skill. I dont think I have seen it affect friendly gens surounding it. I will pay attention next time, but I think it is some sort of typo or bad translation. Definitely works on bruce itself for sure. |
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Post by conkueror on Nov 23, 2022 15:28:24 GMT
Yeah, many skill descriptions seem to be very strange, like if they are just poorly translated or something and they didn't even pay attention to typos. (Li Jings skill for example has the percentage weirdly written twice). And John Tzimiskes skill doesn't even tell how much the reduction is (or even tell clearly what it means, but I quess it it protection from archers)
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Post by celticdunners on Nov 27, 2022 14:26:22 GMT
Don't your offensive gens die off immediately then, after like one good "suprise attack"? And why not lombardy on Bruce instead of swiss? Same skills and +20% damage buff for whole legion. Also have to ask, I don't quite understand Bruces active. It says "in one grid", so shouldn't nearby own units also get the +1 mobility and health replenishment, but I don't think I've seen them do that. What is royal SM ? |
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Post by celticdunners on Nov 27, 2022 14:26:55 GMT
What troop is royal sm ?
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 27, 2022 15:41:49 GMT
two handed swordman transformation upgrade to royal |
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Post by conkueror on Nov 27, 2022 19:57:40 GMT
by the way, do the transformed units get the +20% damage from unique weapon?
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 27, 2022 20:27:15 GMT
by the way, do the transformed units get the +20% damage from unique weapon? apparently not. you have to use a regular as well in legion to get it. thats what some with iaps stated iirc |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 28, 2022 15:11:35 GMT
I've all F2P platinum gens and many of the gold ones.
For now, my primary lineups include Alfred, Alexios I, Narses, Belisarius, Justinian, Theodora, Nur Din, Cnut and El Cid.
Secondary gens, who may take over the role of any primary gen, include Nevsky, Timur and Harald.
For those who's unique weapons are easily obtainable Nd F2P, I've already upgraded them to lvl 10 or close enough.
My focus is more on Campaign so my bigger priorities are mobility, cost and atk in this decreasing order.
For other modes, because of the limited income of souls and pieces, it makes it easier to concentrate around key units, especially those who are active and can be slapped on almost all gens. For me, Noble Cav is the priority, followed by Woad Raiders, Viking Raiders, Varangian Guards and so on.
One of the most important piece of advice is to select a few key units and upgrade them all the way as opposed to investing in all and having mediocre units. A legion of three lvl 15 varangian guards can be more effective than lvl 6-7 Legion Brigades, Viking Raiders and Viking Axemen.
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