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Post by YDE on Feb 27, 2023 5:05:58 GMT
I think we can all agree that the best team lineup would be archers, due to a certain Hohenzollern Castle  But I want to challenge that. I'm going to restart my game (Currently on final campaign chapter in WW) and do a cavalry team lineup. As I already have expert role in discover server, I am not too worried about beating all the hard castle missions, but I would like to try anyways. Has anyone beaten Hohenzollern Castle, or other missions with a similar archer "required" doctrine, with cavalry/infantry team? If no, what is the least amount of archer coms needed? I saw 2, 3 preferably. Regardless, for my cav team of 8 in campaigns, I'll use Genghis Khan BoL Attila Palad sword and ring Suri Thunder, boots and armor palad Edward Aegis, Titan sword and boots Asoka (I hate him but he's necessary... unless?  Maybe Nelson takes his spot. Nelson have titan shield and ring) Murat Gung Nobunaga Mystl Li Shimin Grass cuter 12 team have same as 8 but Murat have full Odin: Pacha Salad man with Gung Li hong (if nelson cannot replace Asoka, the Nelson here) Suleiman Thunder If y'all have any suggestions for this team, lmk. Also, don't try to convince me not to restart I'm a masochist and hate myself  I'll give full equipment lineup if requested. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Feb 27, 2023 13:38:56 GMT
6 cavalry could be awkward: I did it with 5 infantry once and it was a struggle to use them all effectively sometimes due to bottlenecks and their 1 hex range.
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Post by stoic on Feb 27, 2023 13:59:25 GMT
Since cavalry has little to no impact on the outcome of Hohenzollern castle battle I think that, at least, 4 archers are needed. Nobunaga, Awakened Pachacuti, Li and Nelson. It is theoretically possible to replace Nelson with Mulan or Jhansi, but you need luck on your side and perhaps several save/load attempts to increase the number of crit attacks. But, in my opinion, with all these Princesses' trials and Ust-Nera missions it isn't possible to speak about "cavalry lineup", "ranged lineup" or our weird dream with Iron Duke "artillery lineup" anymore. It is only possible if you set up limited goals. But limited goals are not to anyone's taste. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Feb 27, 2023 14:02:56 GMT
Since cavalry has little to no impact on the outcome of Hohenzollern castle battle I think that, at least, 4 archers are needed. Nobunaga, Awakened Pachacuti, Li and Nelson. It is theoretically possible to replace Nelson with Mulan or Jhansi, but you need luck on your side and perhaps several save/load attempts to increase the number of crit attacks. But, in my opinion, with all these Princesses' trials and Ust-Nera missions it isn't possible to speak about "cavalry lineup", "ranged lineup" or our weird dream with Iron Duke "artillery lineup" anymore. It is only possible if you set up limited goals. But limited goals are not to anyone's taste. I was able to do Hohenzollern with just Pachi, Mocte & Hua as my archers. I did however have Khalid, Heihachiro & Bismarck as well. And I do still dream of ArtyCom  |
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Post by stoic on Feb 27, 2023 14:06:54 GMT
Since cavalry has little to no impact on the outcome of Hohenzollern castle battle I think that, at least, 4 archers are needed. Nobunaga, Awakened Pachacuti, Li and Nelson. It is theoretically possible to replace Nelson with Mulan or Jhansi, but you need luck on your side and perhaps several save/load attempts to increase the number of crit attacks. But, in my opinion, with all these Princesses' trials and Ust-Nera missions it isn't possible to speak about "cavalry lineup", "ranged lineup" or our weird dream with Iron Duke "artillery lineup" anymore. It is only possible if you set up limited goals. But limited goals are not to anyone's taste. I was able to do Hohenzollern with just Pachi, Mocte & Hua as my archers. I did however have Khalid, Heihachiro & Bismarck as well. And I do still dream of ArtyCom I am eager to watch it About ArtilleryCom... I am done. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Feb 27, 2023 16:35:03 GMT
I tried to gun down Hohenzollern Castle with Catherine, plenty of super mortars, and perhaps Yi Sun-sin. 2* (not to mention my archer commanders).
If ET forces your hand, like in this case, it's best to take note, as they say. Unless you can bring in better firepower to win which is unlikely given that the walls are not going to fall in time for this to happen.
But in the earlier parts of the game, not a bad option. I do think that you may need to forgo deploying inf if you want a cav-centric force, because you have neither the slots nor space on the map.
Besides, it's not as if you can clear the Archer trails without Archers, right?
Also, I think Asoka can be dropped. What are his 6* and 7* troop abilities? Seems like he may have Track, the typical anti-archer retaliation ability for cav gens, but what of the fort cracking skill from his 2* form? Alexander's converts to Blast which adds a chance for him to attack again after destroying an enemy unit but Track should cover this already.
I think an archer or arty gen to soften targets would be better because our one-hit potential is never guaranteed especially in the endgame. I am thinking of 6*/7* Li Shimin because of his AOE attack, but Nelson would also do.
Also, I thought a certain Rundstedt was also interested in an arty com lineup?
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Post by YDE on Feb 28, 2023 1:11:57 GMT
I tried to gun down Hohenzollern Castle with Catherine, plenty of super mortars, and perhaps Yi Sun-sin. 2* (not to mention my archer commanders). If ET forces your hand, like in this case, it's best to take note, as they say. Unless you can bring in better firepower to win which is unlikely given that the walls are not going to fall in time for this to happen. But in the earlier parts of the game, not a bad option. I do think that you may need to forgo deploying inf if you want a cav-centric force, because you have neither the slots nor space on the map. Besides, it's not as if you can clear the Archer trails without Archers, right? Also, I think Asoka can be dropped. What are his 6* and 7* troop abilities? Seems like he may have Track, the typical anti-archer retaliation ability for cav gens, but what of the fort cracking skill from his 2* form? Alexander's converts to Blast which adds a chance for him to attack again after destroying an enemy unit but Track should cover this already. I think an archer or arty gen to soften targets would be better because our one-hit potential is never guaranteed especially in the endgame. I am thinking of 6*/7* Li Shimin because of his AOE attack, but Nelson would also do.
Also, I thought a certain Rundstedt was also interested in an arty com lineup? If I remember correctly from the vid Iron Duke made, Asoka had the normal 80% dmg to cavalry. All he has is com, and ig inspiration, but he's way too frail to use effectively. (Suri is a different beast with plunder). I think the only use for Asoka would be in cav trail, so I won't invest in him any time soon. Also, yes I agree Li Shimin would be the best arty for cav com, due to his splash. I forget, does he have 100% fire rate, or is it only a chance like with the other arty gens? |
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Post by YDE on Feb 28, 2023 1:14:18 GMT
6 cavalry could be awkward: I did it with 5 infantry once and it was a struggle to use them all effectively sometimes due to bottlenecks and their 1 hex range. I think it's possible to destroy one wall, at least, in a good time. Super mortars + Li Shimin's fire spread could do nicely. Murat will be able to hit Loki from double range. If I do have an issue, I'll just use the normal main 4 archers: Nobunaga Oda, Li Hong, Nelson, and Pacha. I will not, at all, be opposed in investing to them. |
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Post by YDE on Feb 28, 2023 1:16:15 GMT
Since cavalry has little to no impact on the outcome of Hohenzollern castle battle I think that, at least, 4 archers are needed. Nobunaga, Awakened Pachacuti, Li and Nelson. It is theoretically possible to replace Nelson with Mulan or Jhansi, but you need luck on your side and perhaps several save/load attempts to increase the number of crit attacks. But, in my opinion, with all these Princesses' trials and Ust-Nera missions it isn't possible to speak about "cavalry lineup", "ranged lineup" or our weird dream with Iron Duke "artillery lineup" anymore. It is only possible if you set up limited goals. But limited goals are not to anyone's taste. Yes, I fully agree, however I like to focus on one team and beat up to industrial hard perfect at least before I go to those end game trails. Focusing on one team is still viable, just be prepared to invest for a longer time getting those other gens. |
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Post by stoic on Feb 28, 2023 4:00:04 GMT
Since cavalry has little to no impact on the outcome of Hohenzollern castle battle I think that, at least, 4 archers are needed. Nobunaga, Awakened Pachacuti, Li and Nelson. It is theoretically possible to replace Nelson with Mulan or Jhansi, but you need luck on your side and perhaps several save/load attempts to increase the number of crit attacks. But, in my opinion, with all these Princesses' trials and Ust-Nera missions it isn't possible to speak about "cavalry lineup", "ranged lineup" or our weird dream with Iron Duke "artillery lineup" anymore. It is only possible if you set up limited goals. But limited goals are not to anyone's taste. Yes, I fully agree, however I like to focus on one team and beat up to industrial hard perfect at least before I go to those end game trails. Focusing on one team is still viable, just be prepared to invest for a longer time getting those other gens. Yeah, I am actually doing the same  . And without any stretch it is possible to label my team as "CavCom".  But if I had a new start in mind I would have acted differently, I believe. I would concentrate all my resources on getting generals needed for Kazan and Patras and (possibly) Isle. These generals are good enough for majority of chapters and 3/4 additional princesses (including Maria) can make our life significantly easier in difficult campaigns. Other than that I would upgrade only awakened generals and probably Khalid. I believe such a team is able to complete about 80/90% of the current content. |
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Post by Iron Duke on Feb 28, 2023 21:23:07 GMT
6 cavalry could be awkward: I did it with 5 infantry once and it was a struggle to use them all effectively sometimes due to bottlenecks and their 1 hex range. I think it's possible to destroy one wall, at least, in a good time. Super mortars + Li Shimin's fire spread could do nicely. Murat will be able to hit Loki from double range. If I do have an issue, I'll just use the normal main 4 archers: Nobunaga Oda , Li Hong, Nelson, and Pacha. I will not, at all, be opposed in investing to them. Oh, when I said I'd done it I just meant the game, not Hohenzollern. It was some time ago now though and before the hard mode campaigns, and now that I've seen stoic's team I may have to stand corrected on fielding 6 cavalry |
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Post by stoic on Mar 6, 2023 15:05:10 GMT
I think it's possible to destroy one wall, at least, in a good time. Super mortars + Li Shimin's fire spread could do nicely. Murat will be able to hit Loki from double range. If I do have an issue, I'll just use the normal main 4 archers: Nobunaga Oda , Li Hong, Nelson, and Pacha. I will not, at all, be opposed in investing to them. Oh, when I said I'd done it I just meant the game, not Hohenzollern. It was some time ago now though and before the hard mode campaigns, and now that I've seen stoic's team I may have to stand corrected on fielding 6 cavalry I downloaded the video and will study it, out of scientific curiosity  |
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Post by Iron Duke on Mar 6, 2023 22:27:49 GMT
Oh, when I said I'd done it I just meant the game, not Hohenzollern. It was some time ago now though and before the hard mode campaigns, and now that I've seen stoic 's team I may have to stand corrected on fielding 6 cavalry I downloaded the video and will study it, out of scientific curiosity I shall eagerly await your critique |
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Post by stoic on Mar 7, 2023 5:51:02 GMT
I downloaded the video and will study it, out of scientific curiosity I shall eagerly await your critique Success is never blamed Not a single shot of your archers was ever aimed at Loki. Amazing 👏 And fortune wasn't on your side either. There were so many victims of Rumor on each side of the Big Boss and yet you have done it! |
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But I want to challenge that. I'm going to restart my game (Currently on final campaign chapter in WW) and do a cavalry team lineup. As I already have expert role in discover server, I am not too worried about beating all the hard castle missions, but I would like to try anyways. Has anyone beaten Hohenzollern Castle, or other missions with a similar archer "required" doctrine, with cavalry/infantry team? If no, what is the least amount of archer coms needed? I saw 2, 3 preferably. 
Maybe Nelson takes his spot. Nelson have titan shield and ring)
. And without any stretch it is possible to label my team as "CavCom".
