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Post by John Marston on Apr 19, 2023 16:35:48 GMT
So, I see lots of things. What do you suggest me to do? Which units should be trained first? First General? Is the cavalry a notch above others? Huo looks like pretty good offensive general. Scipio looks good too.
How do I unlock those other units in each type? They really have pretty grand names though. A quick gist of the function of Senate?
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 19, 2023 17:33:19 GMT
So, I see lots of things. What do you suggest me to do? Which units should be trained first? First General? Is the cavalry a notch above others? Huo looks like pretty good offensive general. Scipio looks good too. How do I unlock those other units in each type? They really have pretty grand names though. A quick gist of the function of Senate? I believe the general first path is Pacorus, Pompey, then Mithridates/Octavian/Drusus (usually Mithridates), then trading Pacorus for a top cavalry of your choice. The usual favorites are Huo Qubing and Belisarius, although there are some who prefer Antony. I'm not really sure how to approach the new special units, I played this before they came out. The Senate is basically your "tech tree" and daily mission board. It gives in-battle bonuses and is your second main farming tool. The other is the computer controlled battles that will be your primary medal-farming route. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 19, 2023 18:05:21 GMT
So, I see lots of things. What do you suggest me to do? Which units should be trained first? First General? Is the cavalry a notch above others? Huo looks like pretty good offensive general. Scipio looks good too. How do I unlock those other units in each type? They really have pretty grand names though. A quick gist of the function of Senate? First of all, you have to decide how will you start to develop your Commander. A cavalry general with Ambush on Ten Sides, Cav Commander, Assault, and Guerilla/Plain Fighting/Charge as skills is probably the most popular choice. However, infantry (Inf Com, Roar, AOTS, Shield Wall) and archer (Arch Com, Advantage, March, and something) Commanders will have a better unit (Legionary or Javelineer opposed to Heavy Cavalry) in Arena and Epic War later on. It's really up to your preference, but if you're not sure the cavalry option is a safe bet. Once you've made your choice, get the skills on him, but don't upgrade him yet. As to buying generals Gerd von Rundstedt is absolutely right. A basic rule for myself has been in all of my playthroughs that I'll first get Pompey and Pacorus as said above, as well as Pedius unless I have an archer Commander. After those two or three you should get a gold cavalry general (unless you have a Cav Commander), which would be Belisarius, because he basically has the perfect skill set. After that, you'll want to get the best f2p generals of their unit type, Vercingetorix for infantry and Mithridates for archers. Before or after them you'll also want to get some of the best items/artifacts from the shop (Laurel Crown and Golden Spear, I have a guide on this as well) As to unit training, you should start with Roman Heavy Cavalry, Legionary, and Javelineer. Hold on to your golden armours for now though. You'll be good as long as you don't buy Crassus. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 19, 2023 18:46:48 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov, you can't just go around calling Vercingetorix the best F2P infantry and expect to get away with it! Pompey is truly Magnus. He has, Idunno, a useful talent, InfCom, a useable terrain skill, etc. Yes he lacks survivability, but you know what? HE'S AN INFANTRYMAN. He doesn't need a survivability skill. The only useless skill Pompey has is March, and he doesn't need to rely on Crits for good damage. Verc is good, yes, but he is not Pompey. As for Infantry Commander, speaking from experience, AOTS is definitely not worth the ridiculous amount of medals it costs. I prefer Siege instead of that just to make city cracking that much easier. We can agree that Crassus sucks. As for which Cav gen to take, you could argue forever on who's the best. I prefer Huo Qubing with a Golden Spear, but anyone in gold is fine. Scipio is defensive and a good city cracker, while being noticeably worse on offense. Huo gets insane crits and all that jazz (particularly with the Golden Spear) but if he doesn't land a crit is not as strong as the rest. Arminius is easily the best if it wasn't for Jungle Fighting and a pretty bad counterattack game. Belisarius is an all-rounder and really boring, but he is the embodiment of the phrase "jack of all trades, master of none, better than one" and is generally agreed to be the best cav gen (if only by a very slight edge). Antony is who you choose if you would just prefer to play WC4 but you got bored of it and think Romans are cool.
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Apr 19, 2023 19:07:31 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , you can't just go around calling Vercingetorix the best F2P infantry and expect to get away with it! Pompey is truly Magnus. He has, Idunno, a useful talent, InfCom, a useable terrain skill, etc. Yes he lacks survivability, but you know what? HE'S AN INFANTRYMAN. He doesn't need a survivability skill. The only useless skill Pompey has is March, and he doesn't need to rely on Crits for good damage. Verc is good, yes, but he is not Pompey. As for Infantry Commander, speaking from experience, AOTS is definitely not worth the ridiculous amount of medals it costs. I prefer Siege instead of that just to make city cracking that much easier. We can agree that Crassus sucks. As for which Cav gen to take, you could argue forever on who's the best. I prefer Huo Qubing with a Golden Spear, but anyone in gold is fine. Scipio is defensive and a good city cracker, while being noticeably worse on offense. Huo gets insane crits and all that jazz (particularly with the Golden Spear) but if he doesn't land a crit is not as strong as the rest. Arminius is easily the best if it wasn't for Jungle Fighting and a pretty bad counterattack game. Belisarius is an all-rounder and really boring, but he is the embodiment of the phrase "jack of all trades, master of none, better than one" and is generally agreed to be the best cav gen (if only by a very slight edge). Antony is who you choose if you would just prefer to play WC4 but you got bored of it and think Romans are cool. I have done this at least 20 times now. Inf Tactics, and specifically for infantry is the most overrated talent in the game, very slightly if at all better than fearless. Jungle fighting is equal to Plain Fighting. Roar + 9 bars + Fearless is no worse than Inf Com + 8 bars + Inf Com + Inf Tactics. Pompey has better damage on your turn, but when counterattacked (which is a very big part of what infantry does) Vercingetorix is miles ahead. Then, I'm sure you can agree Ambush is more useful than March. Trust me, having your Vercingetorix smash almost 2000 damage on a Terracotta in Epic War without getting retaliated is no joke. Theron of Acragas already agreed with me along some others. I have won this war! As to Siege, its below mediocre in the early game, but in the late stages of Hero Legend, Arena, and Epic War, you'll wish you had AOTS instead of a skill that does nothing most of the time, and when it does do something, it doesn't help you at all whatsoever. 80 damage to a city is nothing compared to surviving for a turn or two more and being able to inflict that same damage multiple times to whatever you want. As to Belisarius, I have argued that Arminius and Huo (Huo especially with his Imperial Guard) surpass Belisarius in the very late stages of the game because Cav Com becomes less useful when you get level 2 Chase (80% to attack again after destroying). However, early game Belisarius is better and way easier to use and needs less items (no way I'm not giving Golden Spear to Commander). Antony however, is like taking an F1 car to a battlefield of tanks, Pacorus for a sixth of the price is better in combat. However, you'll certainly eventually need Antony for some levels, but not before two better ones. Also, Commius is good. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Apr 19, 2023 19:28:42 GMT
Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov , you can't just go around calling Vercingetorix the best F2P infantry and expect to get away with it! Pompey is truly Magnus. He has, Idunno, a useful talent, InfCom, a useable terrain skill, etc. Yes he lacks survivability, but you know what? HE'S AN INFANTRYMAN. He doesn't need a survivability skill. The only useless skill Pompey has is March, and he doesn't need to rely on Crits for good damage. Verc is good, yes, but he is not Pompey. As for Infantry Commander, speaking from experience, AOTS is definitely not worth the ridiculous amount of medals it costs. I prefer Siege instead of that just to make city cracking that much easier. We can agree that Crassus sucks. As for which Cav gen to take, you could argue forever on who's the best. I prefer Huo Qubing with a Golden Spear, but anyone in gold is fine. Scipio is defensive and a good city cracker, while being noticeably worse on offense. Huo gets insane crits and all that jazz (particularly with the Golden Spear) but if he doesn't land a crit is not as strong as the rest. Arminius is easily the best if it wasn't for Jungle Fighting and a pretty bad counterattack game. Belisarius is an all-rounder and really boring, but he is the embodiment of the phrase "jack of all trades, master of none, better than one" and is generally agreed to be the best cav gen (if only by a very slight edge). Antony is who you choose if you would just prefer to play WC4 but you got bored of it and think Romans are cool. I have done this at least 20 times now. Inf Tactics, and specifically for infantry is the most overrated talent in the game, very slightly if at all better than fearless. Jungle fighting is equal to Plain Fighting. Roar + 9 bars + Fearless is no worse than Inf Com + 8 bars + Inf Com + Inf Tactics. Pompey has better damage on your turn, but when counterattacked (which is a very big part of what infantry does) Vercingetorix is miles ahead. Then, I'm sure you can agree Ambush is more useful than March. Trust me, having your Vercingetorix smash almost 2000 damage on a Terracotta in Epic War without getting retaliated is no joke. Theron of Acragas already agreed with me along some others. I have won this war! As to Siege, its below mediocre in the early game, but in the late stages of Hero Legend, Arena, and Epic War, you'll wish you had AOTS instead of a skill that does nothing most of the time, and when it does do something, it doesn't help you at all whatsoever. 80 damage to a city is nothing compared to surviving for a turn or two more and being able to inflict that same damage multiple times to whatever you want. As to Belisarius, I have argued that Arminius and Huo (Huo especially with his Imperial Guard) surpass Belisarius in the very late stages of the game because Cav Com becomes less useful when you get level 2 Chase (80% to attack again after destroying). However, early game Belisarius is better and way easier to use and needs less items (no way I'm not giving Golden Spear to Commander). Antony however, is like taking an F1 car to a battlefield of tanks, Pacorus for a sixth of the price is better in combat. However, you'll certainly eventually need Antony for some levels, but not before two better ones. Also, Commius is good. Okay, fair, Verc is just as good if not better in the late game than Pompey. It's probably also true that later in the game AOTS is better than Siege. I'll defer to your experience as I never made it to the Attila missions. I would still say that Pompey is significantly better on your own turn, but yeah, Verc stomps him on counterattack. Yeah, Antony is absolute garbage and is the only bad gold Cav gen. Commius is just Pacorus with Siege and an extra bar. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Apr 19, 2023 20:21:38 GMT
Did I hear my name? 😁 Yes, I'm firmly in the Vercy camp now. I don't see how you can *not* be in the Vercy camp, unless you just haven't opened the game since Epic War and Arena were added. Vercy can be literally your best general in endgame (well, if you didn't buy Hannibal). Having said that, I still think there's a decent argument for buying Pompey first. Vercy doesn't really reach his potential until late game, Pompey is easier to use early on (Vercy just too slow until you get some upgrades), and in any case you'll want both sooner or later, probably sooner.
I still don't get why some people want to sell Pacorus. Just have a bit of patience and have two cavalry generals instead of one. You get next to nothing by selling, and he's still useful even if you've got two or three strong cavalry generals - fills a slot for DBs and Arena, and can be tactically useful occasionally even in the campaign. I've even got him in my endgame Arena lineup.
Give Antony a pass. He looks great to the untrained eye, and you'll love him for a few chapters, but pretty soon you find that he's an expensive glass cannon, and more glass than cannon. I never liked Scipio, though I've not used him. You want crits and percentage boosts, and Scipio gives you none of them (ok, 10% crits, but meh). There are at least three clearly better options. You won't go wrong with Huo, though Beli has the edge for me because of his talent (and war chariot).
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Post by Erich on Apr 23, 2023 2:12:29 GMT
Man, I feel like there’s not much different in late game. The important thing is their unique units that they bring to the battlefield of Arena and Epic War.
Verc is very good with his Woad Raider, best if you don’t have Spartacus. And if you don’t have Spartacus, it’s best to deploy Verc and Pompey together, we need them all; so, it’s nonsense comparing who’s the best.
About Cavalry, Belisarius has Chariots, Huo has Imperial Guard, Arminius and Commius has Western Heavy Cav, Cav Comm and Scipio and Antony have Roman Heavy Cav, Pacorus has Cataphract… that’s easy to choose between them, for the team of three Cav Generals, it’s between Arminius and Belisarius and Huo (if you don’t have Cav Commander, so why not 3 of them), Beli and Huo has better units.
And, the Way of Honor for each general is important too, to compare in late game.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Apr 25, 2023 12:23:26 GMT
Only things I'll offer here is that Antony is really not that good a pick for an early to mid-game cav gen. Between Huo, Arminius and Belisarius, you've got great choices here.
Do note that you'll usually get 2 inf, 1-2 cav and 1-2 archers in the early campaigns. Pompey is a good generalist inf gen and Mithridates (did anyone bring up Octavian?) is the go-to guy for archers. Drusus, my 3rd best archer, is a cheaper archer who hits harder on average, if you're not as patient.
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Post by andong on May 16, 2023 8:36:48 GMT
So, I see lots of things. What do you suggest me to do? Which units should be trained first? First General? Is the cavalry a notch above others? Huo looks like pretty good offensive general. Scipio looks good too. How do I unlock those other units in each type? They really have pretty grand names though. A quick gist of the function of Senate? I believe the general first path is Pacorus, Pompey, then Mithridates/Octavian/Drusus (usually Mithridates), then trading Pacorus for a top cavalry of your choice. The usual favorites are Huo Qubing and Belisarius, although there are some who prefer Antony. I'm not really sure how to approach the new special units, I played this before they came out. The Senate is basically your "tech tree" and daily mission board. It gives in-battle bonuses and is your second main farming tool. The other is the computer controlled battles that will be your primary medal-farming route. |
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