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Post by Edelweiss7 on Apr 29, 2023 15:47:16 GMT
 That's right, I genuinely believe that Wittmann is a better tank commander than Guderian and Manstein. Not by a big margin for sure, but still. First of all, he has 6 skills (only 5 for Guderian or Manstein!), and three of them are unique. Three of these skills are well known: Panzer Leader (lvl 4) - mandatory if you want to deal critical hits. He also got Anti-Armor (lvl 4) and Explosives (lvl 3), which means that Wittmann is excellent against tank units and cities alike. For instance, Guderian doesn't even have one of them and Manstein is only equipped with Explosives. Breakout (lvl 3) is also a game changer: not only the morale doesn't decrease, but it also allows Wittmann to rush through the enemy units (without fearing encirclement). Ace Armor (lvl 3) is a bit like Supply, but much better. Another skill that neither Guderian and Manstein have, although they make it up with Defense Tactic and Blitzkrieg. Then there is Panzer Cluster (25% chances that one of inactive armor units will join the attack). This skill is capped at lvl 1 for good reasons. If it triggers with a Guderian or Manstein nearby, it means that one of them will also attack at the same time as Wittmann: the result is absolutely insane, as your target will get hit twice! It is true that Wittmann lacks Plain Fighting or Blitzkrieg, but hey, you can't have everything you want, right? And I think it is a good idea from EasyTech to replace these traditional skills by new ones, so that we can get a new game experience. Now don't get me wrong: Guderian and Manstein are still amazing tank commanders, and I keep using them whenever I have the opportunity. But the edge they had until now is not so true anymore. Guderian is still free, and most players would still prefer getting him as early as possible instead of spending money. But Wittmann definitely earned his place in your top 3 tank generals, throwing Patton or Rommel out of the podium.
What is your opinion about Wittmann?
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Post by nikomachos on Apr 29, 2023 16:25:23 GMT
Sry but his 6th skill is due to the medal combination he is equipped with. He does not have 1 more skill than every other general.  Other than that: of course he is great, though he is an expensive iap without a real privilege. But I agree that explosives is great on him and rly nice to play: I rly made good use of him in 1 of the new challenge conquests. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Apr 29, 2023 16:36:23 GMT
Wittmann does have some pretty good skills, but I probably wouldn't even say that he's better than Katukov, cause here's why:
- Leader skills are useless, and they can only increase your damage via a 6th skill if you're using a crit medal.
- Ace armor depends on you being at less than 50% health, and since Wittmann doesn't have tide of iron he could perpetually be in the cycle of having his damage be halved due to being below 50% health, healing at the end of a turn, and immediately taking damage which results in him being at less than 50% health again. If he had tide of iron he could use this skill better. Plus you could just use expropriation instead, which heals hp depending on how much damage you do.
- Breakout is good, although morale doesn't have much of an effect in this game
- Anti armor is situational. Good against tanks, but doesn't do anything against aliens.
- Explosives is pretty good
So maybe 3 out of his 5 skills are good, which is alright but I wouldn't say that he's better than Guderian at 3.5 or Manstein at 4
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Post by Edelweiss7 on Apr 29, 2023 16:36:35 GMT
Sry but his 6th skill is due to the medal combination he is equipped with. He does not have 1 more skill than every other general. Other than that: of course he is great, though he is an expensive iap without a real privilege. But I agree that explosives is great on him and rly nice to play: I rly made good use of him in 1 of the new challenge conquests. You sure about that? Because my other generals also have two medals but they do not get any additional skill!  |
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Post by nikomachos on Apr 29, 2023 17:52:51 GMT
Sry but his 6th skill is due to the medal combination he is equipped with. He does not have 1 more skill than every other general. Other than that: of course he is great, though he is an expensive iap without a real privilege. But I agree that explosives is great on him and rly nice to play: I rly made good use of him in 1 of the new challenge conquests. You sure about that? Because my other generals also have two medals but they do not get any additional skill! Yes I am. You only gain a skill with the correct medal combination AND high enough level medals, I think usually lvl 3+ (check it in the medal handbook in hq). I am also new to wc3, so I don't have any active 6th skill either. It's for a bit later in game. Also this gen pic is probably from a mission/conquest? (Or is this yours?) View wittmann in the store, he's there today. You will see him with 5 skills, and these medals, but unequipped. You can also see his buying condition has significantly less HP then here. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Apr 29, 2023 19:17:01 GMT
Yes I am. You only gain a skill with the correct medal combination AND high enough level medals, I think usually lvl 3+ (check it in the medal handbook in hq). I am also new to wc3, so I don't have any active 6th skill either. It's for a bit later in game. Also this gen pic is probably from a mission/conquest? (Or is this yours?) View wittmann in the store, he's there today. You will see him with 5 skills, and these medals, but unequipped. You can also see his buying condition has significantly less HP then here. If you look at the ribbon section of the hq there's a manual there, where you can look up skills. For each skill you need level 3 medals, and only certain combinations will work. Some of my favourites are the lifesteal skills and the tank-cluster family of skills |
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Post by resiphius on May 4, 2023 11:59:46 GMT
Sry but his 6th skill is due to the medal combination he is equipped with. He does not have 1 more skill than every other general. Other than that: of course he is great, though he is an expensive iap without a real privilege. But I agree that explosives is great on him and rly nice to play: I rly made good use of him in 1 of the new challenge conquests. You sure about that? Because my other generals also have two medals but they do not get any additional skill! Tank generals without plain fighting and Tide of Iron/Blitzkrieg are already suboptimal, and Anti-Armor is too niche, go read others’ general assessments before boasting your pick, please. |
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Post by Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller on May 4, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
You sure about that? Because my other generals also have two medals but they do not get any additional skill! Tank generals without plain fighting and Tide of Iron/Blitzkrieg are already suboptimal, and Anti-Armor is too niche, go read others’ general assessments before boasting your pick, please. Yup. No tide of iron and no plain fighting/street fighting is a massive deterrent. And his skill set in particular would work decently with blitz due to the lack of both of these. He’s ok in certain situations. In 1939 and 1943 he’s terrific. In 1950, 1960 and aliens, he’s terrible. He’s fine in operations, but still not up to par with Manstein’s original skillset or his revised. Ideally I’d drop explosives with him…he’s strictly to fight units, and replace this with street fighting. I’d replace panzer leader with tide of iron. And now you have a defensive general prone to air strikes who can knock out everything immediately around him and constantly be at half strength. Oh, and you have to spend a lot of medals upgrading him to even be as capable as Guderian. Either way…Breakout doesn’t mix with explosives. You could do an offensive version of Wittmann, but explosives is still wrong with that skillset. Unless you got rid of anti-armor, which is somewhat the point of the skillset! Generals I’d put before Wittmann? Manstein, Guderian, Patton, Rommel, Katukov, maybe even Montgomery, Balck, Vatutin, heck even Weilding due to his ability to go on artillery despite not being great there. Also Rokossovsky. So why do I still love Wittmann? Cause he’s fun. He’s not great. But he’s fun. He’s unique and different than the others, and provides another dimension to how to play. He might be my favorite general to actually play with due to the fun factor. But objectively, he’s mediocre. I rank him as useful as Model. I give bonus points to Model for being able to complete yellow and orange missions, which Wittmann’s special skills can’t do at this time (but maybe we’ll get some of these missions incorporating new skills, as the lack of these missions dilutes the value of the new generals to farm). |
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