EMut68
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C nut
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Post by EMut68 on May 24, 2023 4:07:36 GMT
I see that each general has their unique equipment and it's buff with the general skill My question is, when I inlay the gems and acquired skill such as Defense Infantry Expert Do this skill work on the general?, even he doesnt have the Defense Infantry Expert skill on him And does it work as same on some equipment that have a skill bonus?    |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on May 24, 2023 7:07:28 GMT
When you press on a gem slot, you'll open a window. To the top right, there's a book icon which shows you the different combinations and the corresponding skills.
These combinations only work if you have the correct number and type of gems, of the shown minimum lvl. Eg. The combo for increased dmg for/when using Woad Raiders is 1× yellow lvl 1 gem and 1× red lvl 1 gem (or was it lvl 2 for both?). If you meet or exceed this requirement, you can tap on the skill and press <Inlay Gems> which will deploy the correct gems of the lowest lvl.
You'll need to ONLY deploy that combo in your slots. Otherwise, adding a 3rd gem, for those who can, will create a different combo (from a 2-gem to a 3-gem combo), resulting in having a different skill or no skills (because that combo doesn't have a skill).
These skills add a new skill to the gen. Yes, Cnut can use Defense Inf Expert in this case because the combo gives that skill. However, they cannot raise the lvl or stack effects on top of existing skills, IIRC.
Also, it is also important to consider if the skill and the corresponding combo is better than whatever else you want (eg. 3× ranged atk up for Timur).
For equipment with a skill bonus, they add one lvl to that skill, if the gen has it. This is up to lvl 4.
If the gen doesn't, it will not add that skill.
For unique equipment, only the corresponding gen, whose weapon it belongs to, will receive the additional effects.
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Post by andrei on May 24, 2023 8:47:18 GMT
Nobunaga Oda, not every skill is capped at lvl4 For example Shackle (Alexios I) is capped at lvl3. You can't increase it to lvl4 even if Kite Shield of Ranger is used.
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Post by nikomachos on May 24, 2023 10:06:01 GMT
Gem inlay skill ONLY works if general DOESNT have the skill already
Equipment ONLY works if gen already HAS the skill
Equipment does not lvl up skills that are only (virtually) added by gems.
Equpiment UNLIKE gems, do not give skills the gen doesnt have (no armor piercing in your example)
Therefore yes def inf works great for cnut.
You couldnt upgrade the skill via equipment if you wanted to only with higher lvl gems, once.
You cannot upgrade (natural) skills - skills the gen has without gems - with a gem inlay. They do not work together. For that only equipment.
Conclusion:
Picture 2 yes. All apply.
Picture 3 no. armor piercing does not apply. [Legion brigade does, if you have them in legion but whatever probably you dont.]
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Post by Erich on May 26, 2023 6:22:27 GMT
Some more detail about Gem Inlay, that every “+%damage if leading …” works even you have that with the General’s Unique item.
In example, if Cnut have Gem inlay in his Level 10 Unique Item that has the effect “+10% damage when leading Viking Rider”, the damage increase for whole legion when he has a stack of Viking Raider, is: 110%*125%= 137.5%
And if Cnut equipped another weapon with gem inlay that has “+10% damage when leading Legion Spearman” (or Viking Raider)
The damage increased should be multiplied if he has a Legion Spearman with him.
Maximum damage increased should be:
110%*110%*110%*125%=166.375% from items, if he has other +%damage from his skills, they should be multiplied also, but I’m not sure.
Note that this base on tests from older version (1.8 I think), Idk they change it or not for now.
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Post by yuanzhong on May 27, 2023 1:46:08 GMT
Some more detail about Gem Inlay, that every “+%damage if leading …” works even you have that with the General’s Unique item. In example, if Cnut have Gem inlay in his Level 10 Unique Item that has the effect “+10% damage when leading Viking Rider”, the damage increase for whole legion when he has a stack of Viking Raider, is: 110%*125%= 137.5% And if Cnut equipped another weapon with gem inlay that has “+10% damage when leading Legion Spearman” (or Viking Raider) The damage increased should be multiplied if he has a Legion Spearman with him. Maximum damage increased should be: 110%*110%*110%*125%=166.375% from items, if he has other +%damage from his skills, they should be multiplied also, but I’m not sure. Note that this base on tests from older version (1.8 I think), Idk they change it or not for now. Beside that, "+%damage if leading..." doesn't stack if you wears 2 same gem sets, only the highest applied. |
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Jun 18, 2023 5:55:44 GMT
Gem inlay skill ONLY works if general DOESNT have the skill already Equipment ONLY works if gen already HAS the skill Equipment does not lvl up skills that are only (virtually) added by gems. Equpiment UNLIKE gems, do not give skills the gen doesnt have (no armor piercing in your example) Therefore yes def inf works great for cnut. You couldnt upgrade the skill via equipment if you wanted to only with higher lvl gems, once. You cannot upgrade (natural) skills - skills the gen has without gems - with a gem inlay. They do not work together. For that only equipment. Conclusion: Picture 2 yes. All apply. Picture 3 no. armor piercing does not apply. [Legion brigade does, if you have them in legion but whatever probably you dont.] Wait so if I'm understanding correctly the gem inlay NEVER applies to the general if they already have the skill ie. if I put Cav. Tactician gems on Richard (even tho he already has the skill lvl 4) he won't receive the bonus 5% when leading cavalry (from the gems)? This would mean that it's only good to put gem inlay of skills the general doesn't have (which seems very limiting IMO) |
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Post by 𝕵𝖔𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕬𝖗𝖈 on Jun 18, 2023 6:12:43 GMT
You got it on point.
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Post by nikomachos on Jun 18, 2023 8:01:12 GMT
Gem inlay skill ONLY works if general DOESNT have the skill already Equipment ONLY works if gen already HAS the skill Equipment does not lvl up skills that are only (virtually) added by gems. Equpiment UNLIKE gems, do not give skills the gen doesnt have (no armor piercing in your example) Therefore yes def inf works great for cnut. You couldnt upgrade the skill via equipment if you wanted to only with higher lvl gems, once. You cannot upgrade (natural) skills - skills the gen has without gems - with a gem inlay. They do not work together. For that only equipment. Conclusion: Picture 2 yes. All apply. Picture 3 no. armor piercing does not apply. [Legion brigade does, if you have them in legion but whatever probably you dont.] Wait so if I'm understanding correctly the gem inlay NEVER applies to the general if they already have the skill ie. if I put Cav. Tactician gems on Richard (even tho he already has the skill lvl 4) he won't receive the bonus 5% when leading cavalry (from the gems)? This would mean that it's only good to put gem inlay of skills the general doesn't have (which seems very limiting IMO) exactly. It may be limiting, otherwise though it also could be broken xD. Anyway its how it is. |
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Jun 19, 2023 0:50:04 GMT
Wait so if I'm understanding correctly the gem inlay NEVER applies to the general if they already have the skill ie. if I put Cav. Tactician gems on Richard (even tho he already has the skill lvl 4) he won't receive the bonus 5% when leading cavalry (from the gems)? This would mean that it's only good to put gem inlay of skills the general doesn't have (which seems very limiting IMO) exactly. It may be limiting, otherwise though it also could be broken xD. Anyway its how it is. Ahhh ok I see, thanks |
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Post by conkueror on Jun 19, 2023 10:57:18 GMT
You can find different ways to increase Richards damage, for example. Like +5% dmg from leading templars.
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Post by jonblend on Jun 26, 2023 20:23:13 GMT
Gem inlay skill ONLY works if general DOESNT have the skill already Equipment ONLY works if gen already HAS the skill Equipment does not lvl up skills that are only (virtually) added by gems. Equpiment UNLIKE gems, do not give skills the gen doesnt have (no armor piercing in your example) Therefore yes def inf works great for cnut. You couldnt upgrade the skill via equipment if you wanted to only with higher lvl gems, once. You cannot upgrade (natural) skills - skills the gen has without gems - with a gem inlay. They do not work together. For that only equipment. Conclusion: Picture 2 yes. All apply. Picture 3 no. armor piercing does not apply. [Legion brigade does, if you have them in legion but whatever probably you dont.] Wait so if I'm understanding correctly the gem inlay NEVER applies to the general if they already have the skill ie. if I put Cav. Tactician gems on Richard (even tho he already has the skill lvl 4) he won't receive the bonus 5% when leading cavalry (from the gems)? This would mean that it's only good to put gem inlay of skills the general doesn't have (which seems very limiting IMO) To add a few extra things, skills are multiplied whereas the +skill level from weapons is added. This means it's more profitable to have 1.05*1.05 bonus damage instead of 1.05+0.05 bonus damage. And if a general has a skill at lv1 and you add the same skill with gems at lv2, then the higher one counts For example lobbyist lv1 "naturally" and lobbyist lv2 from w4w4r4 gems (but I can't really see the benefit of doing that)
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charlie
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Post by charlie on Jun 28, 2023 16:38:28 GMT
my opinion is;
Acquired skill mean you have new skill for your general, it also didn't add level existing general skill, just had a new skill, the general can use this skill even in the general skill tab it doesn't appear, the positive is : add skill for general, the negative is : it capped only in level 2
while General skill ..... +1, it mean that it only increase existing general skill, if the general donnot have the corresponding skill, it will be useless, the positive is : add skill level for general who doesn't have Unique weapon, can maxed skill tho(4), the negative is : only spesific gen with corresponding skill can have this bonus......
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EMut68
First Lieutenant
C nut
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Post by EMut68 on Jun 29, 2023 7:50:47 GMT
Ok sir, thank you for every recommend!  |
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