Victory799
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Easytech pls Hungarian tank skins
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Post by Victory799 on Jul 2, 2023 23:55:32 GMT
Hello, I'd like to start a discussion on the unit skins for each country, mostly concerning their tank skins.
I noticed how Hungary gets almost the same skins as Germany for their units, including their tanks. While this is somewhat historically accurate as Hungary did use German supplied tanks, Hungary also used their own Hungarian tank designs, and there are actually enough of them to entirely replace Hungary's existing German tank skins with actual Hungarian tank skins! There is no reason not to do this, as it would still be historically accurate, while also better representing Hungary and adding more variety to the game.
Currently, Hungary has the German armoured car, German light tank (Panzer III), German medium tank (Panther), and the German heavy tank (Tiger I).
Germany's tank skins: Hungary's current tank skins (German tanks with historically inaccurate Hungarian markings):
What Hungarian WW2 tank markings actually looked like: Earlier markings (up to around 1941 or 1942) on the left, and later (more common) markings (around 1942-1945) on the right.
Also worth noting that Hungarian tanks have an olive green base colour instead of the German tank grey.
So now for the tanks that Hungary should have in World Conqueror 4 instead of the German tanks:
Hungary's armoured car should instead be the Hungarian 39M Csaba:
Hungary's light tank should instead be the Hungarian Toldi IIA or Toldi III:(the Toldi III is the one with the improved armour and side skirts)
Hungary's medium tank should instead be the Hungarian 43M Turán III:
Hungary's heavy tank should instead be the Hungarian 44M Tas:
Other countries that could likewise get their own tank skins rather than another country's skins include Sweden. Other small countries didn't have any of their own tank designs or didn't have enough designs, e.g. missing a heavy tank or a medium tank. Now for Sweden's tanks: Sweden
Currently Sweden has the 'other nations' tank skins:
Sweden's armoured car could instead be the Landsverk L-180:
Sweden's light tank could instead be the Stridsvagn m/40L (top two pictures) or the Stridsvagn m/40K (middle picture), or the Stridsvagn m/41 (which is basically a Panzer 38(t), bottom two pictures):
Sweden's medium tank should instead be the Stridsvagn m/42:
Sweden's heavy tank could instead be the postwar prototype tank, Emil (a.k.a. Kranvagn):(the bottom image is the complete Emil prototype chassis with a dummy turret)
Hungary and Sweden clearly have enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks modelled in WC4. Easytech, what are you waiting for? Why didn't you model these countries' tanks already? Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests and makes appearances in campaign missions (unlike neutral Sweden). To make the effort of modelling these countries' tanks more worth it, and to reflect their impressive tank industries (relative to their size), Hungary and Sweden should be given more (and better) tanks to start conquests and campaign missions off with, and they could also be represented in other ways, such as in daily invasions, the exercise in ___ missions, frontier missions, or more campaign missions. For example, the exercise in Budapest is the perfect mission for Hungary to have more representation, yet in this mission the Germans own Budapest and you only get to fight German troops instead of Hungarian ones. There are also no daily invasions in Hungary where Hungarian troops (especially tanks) could be used, whereas there are daily invasions in Sweden. Lastly, there could really be a campaign mission where Hungary takes the focus, such as a WW2 Allies mission playing as the Soviets fighting the Hungarians and Germans in the invasion of Hungary - a long and bloody campaign that occured from mid/late 1944 to early 1945 which comprised of many battles, the last major Axis attack, and one of the largest sieges of the war (Budapest). This could be a great mission to add as this entire campaign is largely forgotten in history and none of the 1944-1945 southern campaigns of the Eastern Front (e.g. invasion of Hungary, fighting outside Romania, fighting in Czechoslovakia or the Balkans) are represented so far in WC4, and this would also be a great mission to show off the Hungarian heavy tank and medium tank skins. To top this all off, a Hungarian tank general could also be added to help Hungary be a bit less underpowered in WC4.
Other Countries
Other small countries either didn't have any of their own tank designs or didn't have enough designs, for example they may be missing a heavy tank or a medium tank design in order to have a complete set of vehicles. Countries like this could still have their own armoured car and light tank be modelled in WC4, but then they would still have a completely different foreign medium tank and heavy tank. This would look chaotic and incoherent, so maybe this would be a bad idea. Hungary and Sweden truly are the only countries with enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks. Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests and makes appearances in campaign missions (unlike neutral Sweden).
Below is a list of the playable (thus relevant enough) countries in WC4 excluding Hungary and Sweden (as these have been addressed above) and the major countries which have their own unit and tank skins. For each of these countries is a section for possible vehicles that could be modelled for that country; AC stands for armoured car, LT stands for light tank, MT stands for medium tank and HT stands for heavy tank. In bold is the model of vehicle that could fit that category for that country. If it has a question mark after it, then read the note I leave behind it in brackets explaining why it may be a bit problematic to add, for example being from the wrong era, being too different to other vehicles of that type or not really being from that country such as an improvised barely modified foreign design. For some countries such as Australia, having some Australian vehicles with some British vehicles could work fine, whereas with other countries such as Poland or Yugoslavia having a mix of completely different vehicles would look chaotic.
Australia: AC - Rhino Heavy Armoured Car? (a bit too heavy and well armed) LT - MT - AC Sentinel HT -
Belgium: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Brazil: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Bulgaria: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Canada: AC - Fox or Wolf LT - MT - Ram HT - China (both PRC and DRC): AC - LT - MT - HT -
Cuba: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Denmark: AC - LT - MT - HT - Egypt: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Finland: AC - LT - BT-42? (Captured Soviet BT conversion with a British howitzer) MT - HT - Greece: AC - LT - MT - HT -
India: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Iran: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Iraq: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Mexico: AC - LT - MT - HT - Mongolia: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Netherlands: AC - M39 Pantserwagen LT - MT - HT - North Korea: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Norway: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Poland: AC - wz.29 Ursus or wz.34 LT - 7TP MT - HT - Portugal: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Romania: AC - LT - VDC R-35? (French R-35 conversion with a slightly better captured Soviet gun) MT - HT -
South Korea: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Spain: AC - LT - Verdeja MT - HT -
Thailand: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Turkey: AC - LT - MT - HT -
Yugoslavia: AC - LT - MT - SO-122? (postwar modification of an M4 Sherman) HT -
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Post by resiphius on Jul 6, 2023 18:23:25 GMT
I don’t think Australia, Canada or India should have their own unique armor unit skins when they can’t provide their own full sets and using UK’s is in line with them being Commonwealth members.
Romania and Finland however, can have their unique skins if we compare the models they have to the Italian lineup irl. Romania: AC - AH-IVR, LT - Panzer 38t, MT - Panzer 35t (size scale up slightly), HT - Panzer IV Ausf H with spaced armor kit (size scale up) Finland: AC - Austin Model 1917 (Pretend they still use it) or FAI (same as USSR), LT - BT-7, MT - BT-42, HT - T-28 (the Soviet one)
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Victory799
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Easytech pls Hungarian tank skins
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Post by Victory799 on Jul 8, 2023 19:53:53 GMT
I don’t think Australia, Canada or India should have their own unique armor unit skins when they can’t provide their own full sets and using UK’s is in line with them being Commonwealth members. Romania and Finland however, can have their unique skins if we compare the models they have to the Italian lineup irl. Romania: AC - AH-IVR, LT - Panzer 38t, MT - Panzer 35t (size scale up slightly), HT - Panzer IV Ausf H with spaced armor kit (size scale up) Finland: AC - Austin Model 1917 (Pretend they still use it) or FAI (same as USSR), LT - BT-7, MT - BT-42, HT - T-28 (not the Soviet one) For the Commonwealth countries, sure they can of course just keep the full British tank skin set, but it could also work if they have their own designs mixed in there too, although that is just an option.
For Romania and Finland though, I completely disagree. I don't think they had anywhere near enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set.
For Romania's armoured car, the AH-IVR (which is the same as the R-1 tankette I believe) is a tankette, not an AC. No other AC in WC4 has tracks or is a tankette, so using a tankette for Romania's AC would be silly. On top of that, the AH-IVR is a Czech tankette, produced by the Czechs as well. The only connection it has to Romania is that a single one was assembled in Romania, and the Romanian version had a different shaped turret. Considering the Romanians neither designed or made it, and it's a tankette rather than an AC, it's not a good idea to use for Romania's AC. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any ACs. For Romania's light tank, the Panzer 38(t) is a Czech/German tank. While Romania was supplied these by Germany and they did use them, it's not a Romanian tank. It would be more accurate than Romania having the Panzer III though. Bulgaria could get it too. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any LTs, unless you count replacing French-supplied R-35s' guns with captured Soviet ones (VDC R-35 in a nutshell). For Romania's medium tank, an enlarged Panzer 35(t) is a bit ridiculous. As you probably know, the Panzer 35(t) is Czech/German. It is also an LT, being even weaker than the Panzer 38(t). To pass it off as a medium tank would look so wrong! Especially when you look at other countries' MTs such as Germany's Panther, the USSR's T-34/85, the USA's M4 Sherman, Japan's Chi-Nu or the UK's Cromwell, a Romanian enlarged Panzer 35(t) would be a joke, not only being much smaller, lighter, less armoured and worse armed, but also not even being classed as a medium tank and not even being Romanian in any way. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any MTs. For Romania's heavy tank, an enlarged Panzer IV H with schurtzen is a similarly bad idea as the enlarged Panzer 35(t), as the Panzer IV H is entirely German (not Romanian in any way), and it's an MT not an HT. Considering Germany's MT is the much more powerful Panther tank, to make the much weaker, lighter, worse armoured and armed Panzer IV H another country's HT is crazy. This would make much more sense being Romania's MT than Romania's HT, although it is still of course a German tank. Bulgaria and Finland should also get the Panzer IV H as their medium tanks. Romania never designed, made, or even used heavy tanks, so there is really nothing they could get. Considering Hungary was given Tiger I heavy tanks by Germany though, if the Germans would have ever given heavy tanks to Romania, it would have been Tiger Is, which is what they currently have in WC4, so that's good.
For Finland's armoured car, the Austin Model 1917 is not valid. Only 2 were given to Finland, they were phased out of service one and a half decades before WW2, and it's not Finnish in any way (it's British). While I don't think Finland ever designed or made any ACs, I'm sure there's some foreign AC model that they used in WW2 that could be used in WC4. I suppose they could use the FAI, but then their AC would be Soviet, while their tanks would be German, that would look weird. For Finland's light tank, the BT-7 is just Soviet. On top of that it's a captured vehicle, rather than Finnish produced or Soviet supplied. Captured tanks should not be used as captured vehicles are one-off rare occurences - just think about producing a tank unit as Finland from a Finnish factory and captured Soviet BT-7s emerge. I think the BT-42 would fit better as it is more Finnish than just a Soviet BT-7, although the BT-42 is still just a field conversion using a captured tank's hull, so it isn't a perfect fit. I don't think Finland designed or made any light tanks themselves from scratch, the BT-42 would likely come the closest though. For Finland's medium tank, the BT-42 wouldn't fit as the BT-42 is a light tank/tank destroyer/assault gun. It uses the chassis of a light tank. It is far too small, light and poorly armoured to be considered an MT. I think Finland, as well as Bulgaria and Romania, should get the Panzer IV as their medium tank, as they all actually had Panzer IVs, whereas none of these countries had Panthers which is what they currently have in WC4 (only Germany and Hungary had Panthers). As far as I know, Finland never designed or produced their own medium tanks. For Finland's heavy tank, the T-28 is not valid because it's a captured Soviet medium tank. It's invalid for too many reasons; it's Soviet rather than Finnish, it's a medium tank rather than a heavy tank, it's a captured tank rather than something supplied to the Finnish or produced by the Finnish. On top of that, it's too different from all other nations' heavy tanks in terms of performance; it's far too poorly armoured, its gun is a joke compared to the other heavy tanks and it doesn't weigh anywhere near as much as the other heavy tanks (except Italy's P.26/40 with fictional modifications, but at least that's actually an Italian tank and has some armour). Finland didn't design or produce any heavy tanks, but I don't think using the T-28 as Finland's HT is a good idea. Just keeping the Tiger I as Finland's HT is probably the best idea as if Germany would ever have decided to give Finland HTs, they would have given Finland Tiger Is.
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Post by resiphius on Jul 15, 2023 15:16:10 GMT
I don’t think Australia, Canada or India should have their own unique armor unit skins when they can’t provide their own full sets and using UK’s is in line with them being Commonwealth members. Romania and Finland however, can have their unique skins if we compare the models they have to the Italian lineup irl. Romania: AC - AH-IVR, LT - Panzer 38t, MT - Panzer 35t (size scale up slightly), HT - Panzer IV Ausf H with spaced armor kit (size scale up) Finland: AC - Austin Model 1917 (Pretend they still use it) or FAI (same as USSR), LT - BT-7, MT - BT-42, HT - T-28 (not the Soviet one) For the Commonwealth countries, sure they can of course just keep the full British tank skin set, but it could also work if they have their own designs mixed in there too, although that is just an option.
For Romania and Finland though, I completely disagree. I don't think they had anywhere near enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set.
For Romania's armoured car, the AH-IVR (which is the same as the R-1 tankette I believe) is a tankette, not an AC. No other AC in WC4 has tracks or is a tankette, so using a tankette for Romania's AC would be silly. On top of that, the AH-IVR is a Czech tankette, produced by the Czechs as well. The only connection it has to Romania is that a single one was assembled in Romania, and the Romanian version had a different shaped turret. Considering the Romanians neither designed or made it, and it's a tankette rather than an AC, it's not a good idea to use for Romania's AC. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any ACs. For Romania's light tank, the Panzer 38(t) is a Czech/German tank. While Romania was supplied these by Germany and they did use them, it's not a Romanian tank. It would be more accurate than Romania having the Panzer III though. Bulgaria could get it too. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any LTs, unless you count replacing French-supplied R-35s' guns with captured Soviet ones (VDC R-35 in a nutshell). For Romania's medium tank, an enlarged Panzer 35(t) is a bit ridiculous. As you probably know, the Panzer 35(t) is Czech/German. It is also an LT, being even weaker than the Panzer 38(t). To pass it off as a medium tank would look so wrong! Especially when you look at other countries' MTs such as Germany's Panther, the USSR's T-34/85, the USA's M4 Sherman, Japan's Chi-Nu or the UK's Cromwell, a Romanian enlarged Panzer 35(t) would be a joke, not only being much smaller, lighter, less armoured and worse armed, but also not even being classed as a medium tank and not even being Romanian in any way. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any MTs. For Romania's heavy tank, an enlarged Panzer IV H with schurtzen is a similarly bad idea as the enlarged Panzer 35(t), as the Panzer IV H is entirely German (not Romanian in any way), and it's an MT not an HT. Considering Germany's MT is the much more powerful Panther tank, to make the much weaker, lighter, worse armoured and armed Panzer IV H another country's HT is crazy. This would make much more sense being Romania's MT than Romania's HT, although it is still of course a German tank. Bulgaria and Finland should also get the Panzer IV H as their medium tanks. Romania never designed, made, or even used heavy tanks, so there is really nothing they could get. Considering Hungary was given Tiger I heavy tanks by Germany though, if the Germans would have ever given heavy tanks to Romania, it would have been Tiger Is, which is what they currently have in WC4, so that's good.
For Finland's armoured car, the Austin Model 1917 is not valid. Only 2 were given to Finland, they were phased out of service one and a half decades before WW2, and it's not Finnish in any way (it's British). While I don't think Finland ever designed or made any ACs, I'm sure there's some foreign AC model that they used in WW2 that could be used in WC4. I suppose they could use the FAI, but then their AC would be Soviet, while their tanks would be German, that would look weird. For Finland's light tank, the BT-7 is just Soviet. On top of that it's a captured vehicle, rather than Finnish produced or Soviet supplied. Captured tanks should not be used as captured vehicles are one-off rare occurences - just think about producing a tank unit as Finland from a Finnish factory and captured Soviet BT-7s emerge. I think the BT-42 would fit better as it is more Finnish than just a Soviet BT-7, although the BT-42 is still just a field conversion using a captured tank's hull, so it isn't a perfect fit. I don't think Finland designed or made any light tanks themselves from scratch, the BT-42 would likely come the closest though. For Finland's medium tank, the BT-42 wouldn't fit as the BT-42 is a light tank/tank destroyer/assault gun. It uses the chassis of a light tank. It is far too small, light and poorly armoured to be considered an MT. I think Finland, as well as Bulgaria and Romania, should get the Panzer IV as their medium tank, as they all actually had Panzer IVs, whereas none of these countries had Panthers which is what they currently have in WC4 (only Germany and Hungary had Panthers). As far as I know, Finland never designed or produced their own medium tanks. For Finland's heavy tank, the T-28 is not valid because it's a captured Soviet medium tank. It's invalid for too many reasons; it's Soviet rather than Finnish, it's a medium tank rather than a heavy tank, it's a captured tank rather than something supplied to the Finnish or produced by the Finnish. On top of that, it's too different from all other nations' heavy tanks in terms of performance; it's far too poorly armoured, its gun is a joke compared to the other heavy tanks and it doesn't weigh anywhere near as much as the other heavy tanks (except Italy's P.26/40 with fictional modifications, but at least that's actually an Italian tank and has some armour). Finland didn't design or produce any heavy tanks, but I don't think using the T-28 as Finland's HT is a good idea. Just keeping the Tiger I as Finland's HT is probably the best idea as if Germany would ever have decided to give Finland HTs, they would have given Finland Tiger Is.
Just face the reality, there was nothing we can discuss beyond Swedish and Hungarian armor trees because many other countries just didn’t have their own complete (or even just partial) line from 1930s to 1970s. In fact, only the unplayable Switzerland has came close to have a complete one (Piranha I, Laupen 14t/16t, Panzer 61, Panzer 74 (paper project)) but even then all of them are of 1950-1979 period.
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Victory799
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Easytech pls Hungarian tank skins
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Post by Victory799 on Jul 15, 2023 22:20:54 GMT
For the Commonwealth countries, sure they can of course just keep the full British tank skin set, but it could also work if they have their own designs mixed in there too, although that is just an option.
For Romania and Finland though, I completely disagree. I don't think they had anywhere near enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set.
For Romania's armoured car, the AH-IVR (which is the same as the R-1 tankette I believe) is a tankette, not an AC. No other AC in WC4 has tracks or is a tankette, so using a tankette for Romania's AC would be silly. On top of that, the AH-IVR is a Czech tankette, produced by the Czechs as well. The only connection it has to Romania is that a single one was assembled in Romania, and the Romanian version had a different shaped turret. Considering the Romanians neither designed or made it, and it's a tankette rather than an AC, it's not a good idea to use for Romania's AC. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any ACs. For Romania's light tank, the Panzer 38(t) is a Czech/German tank. While Romania was supplied these by Germany and they did use them, it's not a Romanian tank. It would be more accurate than Romania having the Panzer III though. Bulgaria could get it too. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any LTs, unless you count replacing French-supplied R-35s' guns with captured Soviet ones (VDC R-35 in a nutshell). For Romania's medium tank, an enlarged Panzer 35(t) is a bit ridiculous. As you probably know, the Panzer 35(t) is Czech/German. It is also an LT, being even weaker than the Panzer 38(t). To pass it off as a medium tank would look so wrong! Especially when you look at other countries' MTs such as Germany's Panther, the USSR's T-34/85, the USA's M4 Sherman, Japan's Chi-Nu or the UK's Cromwell, a Romanian enlarged Panzer 35(t) would be a joke, not only being much smaller, lighter, less armoured and worse armed, but also not even being classed as a medium tank and not even being Romanian in any way. As far as I know Romania never designed or made any MTs. For Romania's heavy tank, an enlarged Panzer IV H with schurtzen is a similarly bad idea as the enlarged Panzer 35(t), as the Panzer IV H is entirely German (not Romanian in any way), and it's an MT not an HT. Considering Germany's MT is the much more powerful Panther tank, to make the much weaker, lighter, worse armoured and armed Panzer IV H another country's HT is crazy. This would make much more sense being Romania's MT than Romania's HT, although it is still of course a German tank. Bulgaria and Finland should also get the Panzer IV H as their medium tanks. Romania never designed, made, or even used heavy tanks, so there is really nothing they could get. Considering Hungary was given Tiger I heavy tanks by Germany though, if the Germans would have ever given heavy tanks to Romania, it would have been Tiger Is, which is what they currently have in WC4, so that's good.
For Finland's armoured car, the Austin Model 1917 is not valid. Only 2 were given to Finland, they were phased out of service one and a half decades before WW2, and it's not Finnish in any way (it's British). While I don't think Finland ever designed or made any ACs, I'm sure there's some foreign AC model that they used in WW2 that could be used in WC4. I suppose they could use the FAI, but then their AC would be Soviet, while their tanks would be German, that would look weird. For Finland's light tank, the BT-7 is just Soviet. On top of that it's a captured vehicle, rather than Finnish produced or Soviet supplied. Captured tanks should not be used as captured vehicles are one-off rare occurences - just think about producing a tank unit as Finland from a Finnish factory and captured Soviet BT-7s emerge. I think the BT-42 would fit better as it is more Finnish than just a Soviet BT-7, although the BT-42 is still just a field conversion using a captured tank's hull, so it isn't a perfect fit. I don't think Finland designed or made any light tanks themselves from scratch, the BT-42 would likely come the closest though. For Finland's medium tank, the BT-42 wouldn't fit as the BT-42 is a light tank/tank destroyer/assault gun. It uses the chassis of a light tank. It is far too small, light and poorly armoured to be considered an MT. I think Finland, as well as Bulgaria and Romania, should get the Panzer IV as their medium tank, as they all actually had Panzer IVs, whereas none of these countries had Panthers which is what they currently have in WC4 (only Germany and Hungary had Panthers). As far as I know, Finland never designed or produced their own medium tanks. For Finland's heavy tank, the T-28 is not valid because it's a captured Soviet medium tank. It's invalid for too many reasons; it's Soviet rather than Finnish, it's a medium tank rather than a heavy tank, it's a captured tank rather than something supplied to the Finnish or produced by the Finnish. On top of that, it's too different from all other nations' heavy tanks in terms of performance; it's far too poorly armoured, its gun is a joke compared to the other heavy tanks and it doesn't weigh anywhere near as much as the other heavy tanks (except Italy's P.26/40 with fictional modifications, but at least that's actually an Italian tank and has some armour). Finland didn't design or produce any heavy tanks, but I don't think using the T-28 as Finland's HT is a good idea. Just keeping the Tiger I as Finland's HT is probably the best idea as if Germany would ever have decided to give Finland HTs, they would have given Finland Tiger Is.
Just face the reality, there was nothing we can discuss beyond Swedish and Hungarian armor trees because many other countries just didn’t have their own complete (or even just partial) line from 1930s to 1970s. In fact, only the unplayable Switzerland has came close to have a complete one (Piranha I, Laupen 14t/16t, Panzer 61, Panzer 74 (paper project)) but even then all of them are of 1950-1979 period. I know, it's unfortunate that other minor countries didn't really have tank designs. The purpose of this post is to show off the unit skins that fit/work best that I think should be added to the game, not to force a unit skin for every country, as I think forcing strange unit skins into the game that don't really fit would just look worse than keeping the skins that those countries currently have. Hungary and Sweden's tank skin sets are perfect in my opinion so they should be added, whereas countries like Romania and Finland don't have any/enough of their own tank designs to get their own complete set. However, with Romania, Finland and Bulgaria, I think they should all have the Panzer IV H/J/G as their medium tanks rather than the Panther, as they all actually used Panzer IV H/J/Gs whereas none of them used Panthers. Romania, Finland and Bulgaria could also have the VDC R-35 (almost identical to France's LT) or Panzer 35(t), BT-42 and R-35 (identical to France's LT) or Panzer 35(t) as their light tanks respectively. These three countries should keep the German AC and HT. From this example, I've shown that while these three countries didn't/barely made tanks, they can still have a better set of skins than they currently have, using designs they actually used. So even for countries that didn't/barely made tanks, they can still have an improved set of tank skins. I do also plan to add sections about artillery skins and infantry skins too though, so there is plenty to discuss. For your Swiss tank skin set I think the Piranha is far too modern so a different armoured car would need to be found. The Panzer 39 could be their LT, the Laupen 16t could be their MT (it would be a stretch but it could work), and the Panzer 61 could be their HT (again a bit of a stretch considering it's a cold war medium tank but it could work). I think the Panzer 74 shouldn't be used as it's an MBT and too modern. But anyway, there is still plenty to discuss.
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Post by resiphius on Jul 16, 2023 12:17:24 GMT
Just face the reality, there was nothing we can discuss beyond Swedish and Hungarian armor trees because many other countries just didn’t have their own complete (or even just partial) line from 1930s to 1970s. In fact, only the unplayable Switzerland has came close to have a complete one (Piranha I, Laupen 14t/16t, Panzer 61, Panzer 74 (paper project)) but even then all of them are of 1950-1979 period. I know, it's unfortunate that other minor countries didn't really have tank designs. The purpose of this post is to show off the unit skins that fit/work best that I think should be added to the game, not to force a unit skin for every country, as I think forcing strange unit skins into the game that don't really fit would just look worse than keeping the skins that those countries currently have. Hungary and Sweden's tank skin sets are perfect in my opinion so they should be added, whereas countries like Romania and Finland don't have any/enough of their own tank designs to get their own complete set. However, with Romania, Finland and Bulgaria, I think they should all have the Panzer IV H/J/G as their medium tanks rather than the Panther, as they all actually used Panzer IV H/J/Gs whereas none of them used Panthers. Romania, Finland and Bulgaria could also have the VDC R-35 (almost identical to France's LT) or Panzer 35(t), BT-42 and R-35 (identical to France's LT) or Panzer 35(t) as their light tanks respectively. These three countries should keep the German AC and HT. From this example, I've shown that while these three countries didn't/barely made tanks, they can still have a better set of skins than they currently have, using designs they actually used. So even for countries that didn't/barely made tanks, they can still have an improved set of tank skins. I do also plan to add sections about artillery skins and infantry skins too though, so there is plenty to discuss. For your Swiss tank skin set I think the Piranha is far too modern so a different armoured car would need to be found. The Panzer 39 could be their LT, the Laupen 16t could be their MT (it would be a stretch but it could work), and the Panzer 61 could be their HT (again a bit of a stretch considering it's a cold war medium tank but it could work). I think the Panzer 74 shouldn't be used as it's an MBT and too modern. But anyway, there is still plenty to discuss. I named the Piranha I (4x4 version) part of the line because it looks less modern enough, but if you want something older, Roland or MR 8 also from Mowag maybe the choice to go. As for the Panzer 61 and Panzer 74, I did picked them based on T-34-85 and IS-2, but if you want something further weaker, Panzer 58 should be the HT (at the same lvl as M26 Pershing and T-34-85).
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