Unit skins for different countries (especially tank skins)
Jul 7, 2023 0:57:45 GMT
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Post by Victory799 on Jul 7, 2023 0:57:45 GMT
Hello, I'd like to start a discussion on the unit skins for each country, mostly concerning their tank skins.
I noticed how Hungary gets the same skins as Germany for their units, including their tanks. While this is somewhat historically accurate as Hungary did use German supplied tanks, Hungary also used their own Hungarian tank designs, and there are actually enough of them to entirely replace Hungary's existing German tank skins with actual Hungarian tank skins! There is no reason not to do this, as it would still be historically accurate, while also better representing Hungary and adding more variety to the game.
Hungary
Currently, Hungary has the German armoured car, the German tank (Panther), the German heavy tank (Tiger I), and the German super tank (Maus).
Germany's tank skins: Hungary's current tank skins (identical to German tank skins):
So now for the tanks that Hungary should have in World Conqueror 3 instead of the German tanks:
Currently Sweden has the 'other nations' tank skins:
(the bottom image is the complete Emil prototype chassis with a dummy turret)
Hungary and Sweden clearly have enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks modelled in WC3, or at least up to their heavy tanks. Easytech, what are you waiting for? Why didn't you model these countries' tanks already? Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests (4/5 compared to Sweden's 2/5) and Hungary isn't neutral in WW2 like Sweden. To make the effort of modelling these countries' tanks more worth it, and to reflect their impressive tank industries (relative to their size), Hungary and Sweden should be given more (and better) tanks to start conquests and campaign missions off with, and they could also be represented in other ways, such as in operation missions, or new campaign missions. There could really be a new campaign mission where Hungary takes the focus, such as a WW2 Allies mission playing as the Soviets fighting the Hungarians and Germans in the invasion of Hungary - a long and bloody campaign that occured from mid/late 1944 to early 1945 which comprised of many battles, the last major Axis attack, and one of the largest sieges of the war (Budapest). This could be a great mission to add as this entire campaign is largely forgotten in history and none of the 1944-1945 southern campaigns of the Eastern Front (e.g. invasion of Hungary, fighting outside Romania, fighting in Czechoslovakia or the Balkans) are represented so far in WC3, and this would also be a great mission to show off the Hungarian heavy tank and super tank skins. When it comes to existing missions, Hungary should be represented (but isn't currently) in Operation Barbarossa, Red Storm I, and Mediterranean War. Also, in conquests, Hungary should have much better factories - in many conquests, the only Hungarian city (Budapest) has either the same level, if not lower level, factory as Bulgaria, Mongolia, Romania, Denmark, or random unnamed cities in Africa. To suggest that random unnamed cities in Africa can assemble super tanks while Hungary can only assemble regular or heavy tanks is completely ridiculous. Even to say that Bulgaria, Mongolia, Romania or Denmark can produce the same level tanks (yet alone better tanks!) than Hungary is also simply wrong, considering 3 of these 4 countries didn't produce any tanks at all during WW2 and the last one just modified foreign supplied tanks. So Hungary should have much higher level factories in conquests. To top this all off, a Hungarian tank general could also be added to help Hungary be a bit less underpowered in WC3, and Sweden could get a general as they don't have any at the moment.
Other small countries either didn't have any of their own tank designs or didn't have enough designs, for example they may be missing a heavy tank or a super tank design in order to have a complete set of vehicles. Countries like this could still have their own armoured car and tank be modelled in WC3, but then they would still have a completely different foreign heavy tank and super tank. This would look chaotic and incoherent, so maybe this would be a bad idea. Hungary and Sweden truly are the only countries with enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks. Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests (4/5 compared to Sweden's 2/5) and Hungary isn't neutral in WW2 like Sweden.
Below is a list of the playable (thus relevant enough) countries in WC3 excluding Hungary and Sweden (as these have been addressed above) and the major countries which have their own unit and tank skins already. For each of these countries is a section for possible vehicles that could be modelled for that country; AC stands for armoured car, T stands for tank, HT stands for heavy tank and ST stands for super tank. In bold is the model of vehicle that could fit that category for that country. If it has a question mark after it, then read the note I leave behind it in brackets explaining why it may be a bit problematic to add, for example being from the wrong era, being too different to other vehicles of that type or not really being from that country such as an improvised barely modified foreign design. For some countries such as Australia, having some Australian vehicles with some British vehicles could work fine, whereas with other countries such as Poland or Yugoslavia having a mix of completely different vehicles would look chaotic.
Australia: AC - Rhino Heavy Armoured Car? (a bit too heavy and well armed) T - AC Sentinel I HT - AC Sentinel IV? (it's a medium tank) ST -
Belgium: AC - T - HT - ST -
Brazil: AC - T - HT - ST -
Bulgaria: AC - T - HT - ST -
Canada: AC - Fox or Wolf T - Ram HT - ST -
China (both PRC and DRC): AC - T - HT - ST -
Cuba: AC - T - HT - ST -
Denmark: AC - T - HT - ST -
Egypt: AC - T - HT - ST -
Finland: AC - T - BT-42? (Captured Soviet BT conversion with a British howitzer) HT - ST -
Greece: AC - T - HT - ST -
India: AC - T - HT - ST -
Iran: AC - T - HT - ST -
Iraq: AC - T - HT - ST -
Mexico: AC - T - HT - ST -
Mongolia: AC - T - HT - ST -
Netherlands: AC - M39 Pantserwagen T - HT - ST -
North Korea: AC - T - HT - ST -
Norway: AC - T - HT - ST -
Poland: AC - wz.29 Ursus or wz.34 T - 7TP HT - ST -
Portugal: AC - T - HT - ST -
Romania: AC - T - VDC R-35? (French R-35 conversion with a slightly better captured Soviet gun) HT - ST -
South Korea: AC - T - HT - ST -
Spain: AC - T - Verdeja (WW2 version) HT - ST -
Thailand: AC - T - HT - ST -
Turkey: AC - T - HT - ST -
Yugoslavia: AC - T - HT - SO-122? (postwar modification of an M4 Sherman, not really a heavy tank) ST -
I noticed how Hungary gets the same skins as Germany for their units, including their tanks. While this is somewhat historically accurate as Hungary did use German supplied tanks, Hungary also used their own Hungarian tank designs, and there are actually enough of them to entirely replace Hungary's existing German tank skins with actual Hungarian tank skins! There is no reason not to do this, as it would still be historically accurate, while also better representing Hungary and adding more variety to the game.
Hungary
Currently, Hungary has the German armoured car, the German tank (Panther), the German heavy tank (Tiger I), and the German super tank (Maus).
Germany's tank skins: Hungary's current tank skins (identical to German tank skins):
Currently in WC3, Hungary's tanks just have German markings on them. This is what Hungarian WW2 tank markings actually looked like: Earlier markings (up to around 1941 or 1942) on the left, and later (more common) markings (around 1942-1945) on the right.
Also worth noting that Hungarian tanks have an olive green base colour instead of the German tank grey.Hungary's armoured car should instead be the Hungarian 39M Csaba:
Hungary's tank should instead be the Hungarian 40M Turán I (top 4 images) or the 41M Turán II (bottom 4 images):
Hungary's heavy tank should instead be the Hungarian 43M Turán III:
Hungary's super tank should instead be the Hungarian 44M Tas:
Now I know that strictly speaking, the 43M Turán III and the 44M Tas are both considered to be medium tanks, with the 44M Tas also being considered by some to be a medium/heavy hybrid or a heavy tank, but in Hungary both of these tanks were considered heavy tanks as Hungary considered all tanks with a main gun calibre of 75 mm or larger to be heavy tanks. On top of that, when considering Hungary's weaker economy and industry compared to the major tank building powers of the time, for a small country's standards the 43M Turán III was heavy enough, well-armed and well-armoured enough to be considered a heavy tank and the 44M Tas would easily be considered a heavy tank, if not even a super tank. Just remember that other countries that were Hungary's size or even a little larger built far fewer and far weaker tanks, many didn't build any tanks at all. Also, if the 44M Tas would be made into Hungary's heavy tank, then there wouldn't be any better Hungarian tank to put as Hungary's super tank, and having the Maus be Hungary's super tank would just look wierd at that point mixed in with all of the Hungarian designs. The historical accuracy of Hungary (or any other minor axis country) using Maus tanks is much less than the 44M Tas being considered a super tank. Finally I can justify this choice by comparing these Hungarian tanks to Italy's, Japan's and the other countries' (e.g. Poland, Mexico, Saudi Arabia) heavy and super tanks; Italy's heavy tank is a P.26/40 or a P.43 with some fictional modifications, and Italy's super tank is either an enlarged P.26/40 with even more fictional modifications or a P.43 (Italian heavy tank project) with some fictional modifications. The P.26/40 is only 26 tons, which is the weight of a medium tank, not the weight of a heavy tank or a super tank! The P.43 would have weighed around 30 tons, which is not really enough to even be considered a proper heavy tank, yet alone a super tank! Japan's heavy tank is the Type 5 Chi-Ri prototype medium tank, which weighs a more respectable 37 tons and is both better armoured and armed than the P.26/40. The other countries' heavy tank seems to be a slightly different looking P.26/40 with less fictional modifications. As we know, the P.26/40 weighs only 26 tons. In comparison to the 26 ton P.26/40, the 30 ton P.43, and the 37 ton Chi-Ri, the Hungarian 44M Tas weighs 38 tons (maybe even more), weighing more than Italy's, the other countries' and Japan's heavy tanks and more than Italy's super tank. It is also better armoured and armed than the P.26/40 and Chi-Ri, while being roughly as well armoured and armed as the P.43 (although it's difficult to compare them as the P.43 didn't advance past being a concept). So the 44M Tas would easily pass for Hungary's heavy tank, and could even be Hungary's super tank considering the roughly similar P.43 was made into Italy's super tank. Hungary's 43M Turán III weighed around 24 tons, which is even lighter than the P.26/40 or the Chi-Ri, however it was better armed and armoured than the P.26/40 and around as well-armed but slightly more armoured than the Chi-Ri. So in terms of weight, it seems very light to be Hungary's heavy tank, but in terms of performance it easily surpasses Italy's heavy tank and is comparable to Japan's heavy tank. Therefore, I think that the 43M Turán III and the 44M Tas would be valid tanks to be Hungary's heavy and super tank respectively, although if you disagree, the 44M Tas could still comfortably be Hungary's heavy tank, with the German Maus tank having to be Hungary's super tank.
Hungary's infantry skins
Hungary's infantry skins in WC3 are just identical to German infantry skins. In Glory of Generals 3 however, Hungary gets their own, much more accurate infantry skins. Hungary should get similar infantry skins in WC3 as they do in GoG3.
Germany's infantry skins: Hungary's current infantry skins:
Other countries that could likewise get their own tank skins rather than another country's skins include Sweden. Other small countries didn't have any of their own tank designs or didn't have enough designs, e.g. missing a heavy tank or an appropriate super tank.
Now for Sweden's tanks:
Sweden
Currently Sweden has the 'other nations' tank skins:
So now for the tanks that Sweden should have in World Conqueror 3 instead of the 'other nations' tanks:
It's not as clear cut which model of tank should be Sweden's tank, heavy tank and super tank, so I will show some tanks below and which type of tank they could represent for Sweden in WC3:
The Stridsvagn m/40L could be Sweden's tank
The Stridsvagn m/40K could be Sweden's tank
The Stridsvagn m/41 (which is basically a Panzer 38(t)) could be Sweden's tank
The Stridsvagn 74 could be Sweden's tank or maybe its heavy tank
The Emil (a.k.a. Kranvagn - a postwar prototype tank) could be Sweden's heavy tank or maybe Sweden's super tank
(the bottom image is the complete Emil prototype chassis with a dummy turret)
The Stridsvagn 103 (early version) could maybe be Sweden's super tank
Hungary and Sweden clearly have enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks modelled in WC3, or at least up to their heavy tanks. Easytech, what are you waiting for? Why didn't you model these countries' tanks already? Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests (4/5 compared to Sweden's 2/5) and Hungary isn't neutral in WW2 like Sweden. To make the effort of modelling these countries' tanks more worth it, and to reflect their impressive tank industries (relative to their size), Hungary and Sweden should be given more (and better) tanks to start conquests and campaign missions off with, and they could also be represented in other ways, such as in operation missions, or new campaign missions. There could really be a new campaign mission where Hungary takes the focus, such as a WW2 Allies mission playing as the Soviets fighting the Hungarians and Germans in the invasion of Hungary - a long and bloody campaign that occured from mid/late 1944 to early 1945 which comprised of many battles, the last major Axis attack, and one of the largest sieges of the war (Budapest). This could be a great mission to add as this entire campaign is largely forgotten in history and none of the 1944-1945 southern campaigns of the Eastern Front (e.g. invasion of Hungary, fighting outside Romania, fighting in Czechoslovakia or the Balkans) are represented so far in WC3, and this would also be a great mission to show off the Hungarian heavy tank and super tank skins. When it comes to existing missions, Hungary should be represented (but isn't currently) in Operation Barbarossa, Red Storm I, and Mediterranean War. Also, in conquests, Hungary should have much better factories - in many conquests, the only Hungarian city (Budapest) has either the same level, if not lower level, factory as Bulgaria, Mongolia, Romania, Denmark, or random unnamed cities in Africa. To suggest that random unnamed cities in Africa can assemble super tanks while Hungary can only assemble regular or heavy tanks is completely ridiculous. Even to say that Bulgaria, Mongolia, Romania or Denmark can produce the same level tanks (yet alone better tanks!) than Hungary is also simply wrong, considering 3 of these 4 countries didn't produce any tanks at all during WW2 and the last one just modified foreign supplied tanks. So Hungary should have much higher level factories in conquests. To top this all off, a Hungarian tank general could also be added to help Hungary be a bit less underpowered in WC3, and Sweden could get a general as they don't have any at the moment.
Other Countries
Other small countries either didn't have any of their own tank designs or didn't have enough designs, for example they may be missing a heavy tank or a super tank design in order to have a complete set of vehicles. Countries like this could still have their own armoured car and tank be modelled in WC3, but then they would still have a completely different foreign heavy tank and super tank. This would look chaotic and incoherent, so maybe this would be a bad idea. Hungary and Sweden truly are the only countries with enough of their own tank designs to have a complete set of their own tanks. Hungary is the priority of the two, as Hungary is a playable country in more conquests (4/5 compared to Sweden's 2/5) and Hungary isn't neutral in WW2 like Sweden.
Below is a list of the playable (thus relevant enough) countries in WC3 excluding Hungary and Sweden (as these have been addressed above) and the major countries which have their own unit and tank skins already. For each of these countries is a section for possible vehicles that could be modelled for that country; AC stands for armoured car, T stands for tank, HT stands for heavy tank and ST stands for super tank. In bold is the model of vehicle that could fit that category for that country. If it has a question mark after it, then read the note I leave behind it in brackets explaining why it may be a bit problematic to add, for example being from the wrong era, being too different to other vehicles of that type or not really being from that country such as an improvised barely modified foreign design. For some countries such as Australia, having some Australian vehicles with some British vehicles could work fine, whereas with other countries such as Poland or Yugoslavia having a mix of completely different vehicles would look chaotic.
Australia: AC - Rhino Heavy Armoured Car? (a bit too heavy and well armed) T - AC Sentinel I HT - AC Sentinel IV? (it's a medium tank) ST -
Belgium: AC - T - HT - ST -
Brazil: AC - T - HT - ST -
Bulgaria: AC - T - HT - ST -
Canada: AC - Fox or Wolf T - Ram HT - ST -
China (both PRC and DRC): AC - T - HT - ST -
Cuba: AC - T - HT - ST -
Denmark: AC - T - HT - ST -
Egypt: AC - T - HT - ST -
Finland: AC - T - BT-42? (Captured Soviet BT conversion with a British howitzer) HT - ST -
Greece: AC - T - HT - ST -
India: AC - T - HT - ST -
Iran: AC - T - HT - ST -
Iraq: AC - T - HT - ST -
Mexico: AC - T - HT - ST -
Mongolia: AC - T - HT - ST -
Netherlands: AC - M39 Pantserwagen T - HT - ST -
North Korea: AC - T - HT - ST -
Norway: AC - T - HT - ST -
Poland: AC - wz.29 Ursus or wz.34 T - 7TP HT - ST -
Portugal: AC - T - HT - ST -
Romania: AC - T - VDC R-35? (French R-35 conversion with a slightly better captured Soviet gun) HT - ST -
South Korea: AC - T - HT - ST -
Spain: AC - T - Verdeja (WW2 version) HT - ST -
Thailand: AC - T - HT - ST -
Turkey: AC - T - HT - ST -
Yugoslavia: AC - T - HT - SO-122? (postwar modification of an M4 Sherman, not really a heavy tank) ST -