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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Jul 27, 2023 1:34:45 GMT
Hmmm how to solve the issue of low morale while using this set up? I feel like the best way would be to use Conquistador instead of IBC, or use viking raider instead of Modao... both options are not ideal but at least can help with morale
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Post by Ludwig von Mises on Jul 31, 2023 3:12:03 GMT
Until seeing the context of this post, I was taken aback by the title if I’m going to be honest
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Post by balthazar on Jul 31, 2023 8:53:33 GMT
Morale is the catch of the game isnt it? We dont really use it on end game but stephan and suleiman depletes huge morale, even Manuel with Helepolis lvl3 will hit 5 times or more to drop morale zero. If this was an enemy in campaign or epic battle it would be easy but as a player he can clear whole maps for sure. Modao and IBC are key units for counterattack and dodge. I really liked the setup, great build.
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 1, 2023 8:03:15 GMT
Morale is the catch of the game isnt it? We dont really use it on end game but stephan and suleiman depletes huge morale, even Manuel with Helepolis lvl3 will hit 5 times or more to drop morale zero. If this was an enemy in campaign or epic battle it would be easy but as a player he can clear whole maps for sure. Modao and IBC are key units for counterattack and dodge. I really liked the setup, great build. Low morale is quite devastating, the troops lose a percentage of their health, if it becomes 0 they will surrender no matter how much HP they have left... so with a set-up like this on Bruce (who will be attacked many times again and again by enemies, even in conquest this can happen because AI spam units) who is taking minimal damage due to the dmg reduction morale is very important. My solution is to swap the Modao for Viking raider because of the raider talent, this ensure that Bruce can almost never drop to 0 morale because it gain back a lot every turn. I realize the IBC is crucial for anti-dodge so swapping it for a ranged infantry is not worth. I think the only one that can swap is either the Scottish spearman (possible because it is a low-tier unit, the only benefit is the max purple talent where it can recover 10% hp when step on trap), or the Modao. I prefer to swap the Modao because I think Scottish spearman max talent is good, but it would be possible (and probably better) to swap Scottish spearman (which has worse stats) for Modao, and put a Viking raider + IBC. I think this is the best and most balanced set-up. Viking raider can reduce ranged damage across the legion due to focused defense and solves for morale issues with Berserker + other talent, Modao max talent adds 12% dmg reduction, IBC counters ranged. |
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Post by mrlamo on Aug 2, 2023 6:27:39 GMT
Morale is the catch of the game isnt it? We dont really use it on end game but stephan and suleiman depletes huge morale, even Manuel with Helepolis lvl3 will hit 5 times or more to drop morale zero. If this was an enemy in campaign or epic battle it would be easy but as a player he can clear whole maps for sure. Modao and IBC are key units for counterattack and dodge. I really liked the setup, great build. Low morale is quite devastating, the troops lose a percentage of their health, if it becomes 0 they will surrender no matter how much HP they have left... so with a set-up like this on Bruce (who will be attacked many times again and again by enemies, even in conquest this can happen because AI spam units) who is taking minimal damage due to the dmg reduction morale is very important. My solution is to swap the Modao for Viking raider because of the raider talent, this ensure that Bruce can almost never drop to 0 morale because it gain back a lot every turn. I realize the IBC is crucial for anti-dodge so swapping it for a ranged infantry is not worth. I think the only one that can swap is either the Scottish spearman (possible because it is a low-tier unit, the only benefit is the max purple talent where it can recover 10% hp when step on trap), or the Modao. I prefer to swap the Modao because I think Scottish spearman max talent is good, but it would be possible (and probably better) to swap Scottish spearman (which has worse stats) for Modao, and put a Viking raider + IBC. I think this is the best and most balanced set-up. Viking raider can reduce ranged damage across the legion due to focused defense and solves for morale issues with Berserker + other talent, Modao max talent adds 12% dmg reduction, IBC counters ranged. I really want to test your Wallace  |
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 4, 2023 20:41:54 GMT
Low morale is quite devastating, the troops lose a percentage of their health, if it becomes 0 they will surrender no matter how much HP they have left... so with a set-up like this on Bruce (who will be attacked many times again and again by enemies, even in conquest this can happen because AI spam units) who is taking minimal damage due to the dmg reduction morale is very important. My solution is to swap the Modao for Viking raider because of the raider talent, this ensure that Bruce can almost never drop to 0 morale because it gain back a lot every turn. I realize the IBC is crucial for anti-dodge so swapping it for a ranged infantry is not worth. I think the only one that can swap is either the Scottish spearman (possible because it is a low-tier unit, the only benefit is the max purple talent where it can recover 10% hp when step on trap), or the Modao. I prefer to swap the Modao because I think Scottish spearman max talent is good, but it would be possible (and probably better) to swap Scottish spearman (which has worse stats) for Modao, and put a Viking raider + IBC. I think this is the best and most balanced set-up. Viking raider can reduce ranged damage across the legion due to focused defense and solves for morale issues with Berserker + other talent, Modao max talent adds 12% dmg reduction, IBC counters ranged. I really want to test your Wallace Haha, I would also like to test him too but I can't because my IBC are only lvl 11, Modao lvl 7, Viking raider lvl 9... maybe someone else can test this strategy for me, I think Modao, Viking Raider, and IBC is the best set-up, bonus points if you can test this set-up with max Modao talent (additional 12% damage reduction) and Viking raider talent (+10 morale when morale below 50, +15 when morale below 25) |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Aug 8, 2023 20:07:52 GMT
hrabrimalitoster, have you encountered players with 300k atk power yet? Had an unlucky refresh and encountered many with high defensive power, including one with 300k. Perhaps, such an enemy is guaranteed a win even with auto mode.
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Aug 8, 2023 21:57:06 GMT
Nobunaga Oda, If you think a player with 300k power attacks my William Wallace, that power definitely guarantees victory. Usually 200k is enough for an AI win, anything below 200k depends on the type of units and Generals, if they attack with Charg Cav and Male Inf, they will most likely lose. Below 120k power is most likely to lead to defeat if given control to the AI. The player with the highest power who lost to my Wallace had 280k, but he has all Charg Cav Generals and units in his team, the poor guy didn't stand a chance  
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 9, 2023 7:11:07 GMT
Nobunaga Oda , If you think a player with 300k power attacks my William Wallace, that power definitely guarantees victory. Usually 200k is enough for an AI win, anything below 200k depends on the type of units and Generals, if they attack with Charg Cav and Male Inf, they will most likely lose. Below 120k power is most likely to lead to defeat if given control to the AI. The player with the highest power who lost to my Wallace had 280k, but he has all Charg Cav Generals and units in his team, the poor guy didn't stand a chance How do you deal with the issue of morale? Is it just Wallace alone or does he have supporting generals? Also what unit line-up/war-gear do you use? |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Aug 9, 2023 9:29:39 GMT
Nobunaga Oda , If you think a player with 300k power attacks my William Wallace, that power definitely guarantees victory. Usually 200k is enough for an AI win, anything below 200k depends on the type of units and Generals, if they attack with Charg Cav and Male Inf, they will most likely lose. Below 120k power is most likely to lead to defeat if given control to the AI. The player with the highest power who lost to my Wallace had 280k, but he has all Charg Cav Generals and units in his team, the poor guy didn't stand a chance How do you deal with the issue of morale? Is it just Wallace alone or does he have supporting generals? Also what unit line-up/war-gear do you use? I use IBC, Modao and its unique unit, Tent LV3, no support. Maybe it's better to use Lombardy instead of a unique unit, in order to delay the drop in morale. Otherwise, William Wallace has a skill that raises his morale, sometimes that is enough, and that is why he is a better candidate for this test than Cnut or Su Dingfang. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Aug 9, 2023 10:00:17 GMT
Let's put this bad boy to the test   |
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 9, 2023 19:00:30 GMT
How do you deal with the issue of morale? Is it just Wallace alone or does he have supporting generals? Also what unit line-up/war-gear do you use? I use IBC, Modao and its unique unit, Tent LV3, no support. Maybe it's better to use Lombardy instead of a unique unit, in order to delay the drop in morale. Otherwise, William Wallace has a skill that raises his morale, sometimes that is enough, and that is why he is a better candidate for this test than Cnut or Su Dingfang. Ahhh ok I see, Lombard or Phalanx could work (especially with the purple talent on Phalanx), otherwise I was considering viking raider with talent because it boost by +15 and +20 morale... Hmmm ok good to know |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Aug 9, 2023 19:39:13 GMT
I use IBC, Modao and its unique unit, Tent LV3, no support. Maybe it's better to use Lombardy instead of a unique unit, in order to delay the drop in morale. Otherwise, William Wallace has a skill that raises his morale, sometimes that is enough, and that is why he is a better candidate for this test than Cnut or Su Dingfang. Ahhh ok I see, Lombard or Phalanx could work (especially with the purple talent on Phalanx), otherwise I was considering viking raider with talent because it boost by +15 and +20 morale... Hmmm ok good to know Viking Raider are too soft, they have too little defense points. They would quickly lose health, especially if they are the last in the legion, and often detour attacked. This test of mine with Su Dingfang turned out to be bad, 3 def inf in one legion is not a good idea, there must also be one IBC to destroy enemy archers through counterattack. |
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Post by verily on Aug 9, 2023 23:03:33 GMT
Ahhh ok I see, Lombard or Phalanx could work (especially with the purple talent on Phalanx), otherwise I was considering viking raider with talent because it boost by +15 and +20 morale... Hmmm ok good to know Viking Raider are too soft, they have too little defense points. They would quickly lose health, especially if they are the last in the legion, and often detour attacked. This test of mine with Su Dingfang turned out to be bad, 3 def inf in one legion is not a good idea, there must also be one IBC to destroy enemy archers through counterattack. but viking raiders can attack even no morale. since your problem is more loss it solves it. every front and back unit easily killed by detour, charge and attack. the safe position is middle. ive been doing treasure advaranaut with youtube guide using calmness circuit. and he utilize low morale. |
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 9, 2023 23:15:24 GMT
Ahhh ok I see, Lombard or Phalanx could work (especially with the purple talent on Phalanx), otherwise I was considering viking raider with talent because it boost by +15 and +20 morale... Hmmm ok good to know Viking Raider are too soft, they have too little defense points. They would quickly lose health, especially if they are the last in the legion, and often detour attacked. This test of mine with Su Dingfang turned out to be bad, 3 def inf in one legion is not a good idea, there must also be one IBC to destroy enemy archers through counterattack. Max level viking raider in the middle of the legion though? Damage reduction gem should be doing work here, and if you give 1 assistance gem to Wallace (have the rest all max green gem) then it should be ok with lvl 3 tent |
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