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Post by vietnammapper on Sept 29, 2023 5:59:31 GMT
For a maxed out Guderian with explosive, which of the two skills do you think is better? How about for other tank commanders?
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Sept 29, 2023 10:50:32 GMT
For a maxed out Guderian with explosive, which of the two skills do you think is better? How about for other tank commanders? In my opinion, the WC3 Inspiration meta is similar to WC4 Inspiration meta, and because of the nature of panzers, Inspiration > Plain Fighting. But in artillery, Plain Fighting > Inspiration unless there is an elite artillery with multi attack or a general with self-propelled artillery |
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Post by vietnammapper on Sept 29, 2023 13:51:02 GMT
I see, even when accounting for the medal buffing Plain Fighting?
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Sept 29, 2023 13:52:16 GMT
I see, even when accounting for the medal buffing Plain Fighting? You don't have plains everywhere but you can have high morale everywhere. |
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Post by vietnammapper on Sept 29, 2023 13:57:11 GMT
I see, even when accounting for the medal buffing Plain Fighting? You don't have plains everywhere but you can have high morale everywhere. Ok then. There goes my 1000 medals wasted on plain fighting lv 4 before the update  |
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Post by jonblend on Sept 29, 2023 17:35:33 GMT
Guderian probably has 3 medals already for PL, AA and Blitz so no plain medal. And 15% extra dmg should be more than +25 flat dmg.
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Post by journeykeen on Sept 29, 2023 20:28:02 GMT
I ran some quick tests:
Guderian and Manstein, both have max AA, Manstein has max PF, Guderian has max inspiration.
I leveled both to max, and conducted all tests while both inspired, both on tier 3 heavy tanks in the Poland mode.
When Manstein is inspired, PF typically does a decent bit more damage. The 15% more (which should be on top of the damage boost from actually being inspired) from inspiration did not seem to beat it.
Do keep in mind that it was easier to actually be inspired, though.
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Post by micky on Sept 29, 2023 21:57:56 GMT
journeykeen, hmmm. Interesting. Is there a post about how the damage dealing system works? For example, a triple-stacked heavy tank has a default damage of 61. We put a general on it. Let's assume the general in question has 4 stars in tanks and maxed (lvl5) plain fighting and non-maxed (lvl1) inspiration. 4 stars add +18 damage and PF adds another +25, while inspiration adds +3%. So is it (61+18)*1.03+25 = 106.37 Or (61+18+25)*1.03 = 107.12?
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Post by jonblend on Sept 30, 2023 12:05:49 GMT
I ran some quick tests: Guderian and Manstein, both have max AA, Manstein has max PF, Guderian has max inspiration. I leveled both to max, and conducted all tests while both inspired, both on tier 3 heavy tanks in the Poland mode. When Manstein is inspired, PF typically does a decent bit more damage. The 15% more (which should be on top of the damage boost from actually being inspired) from inspiration did not seem to beat it. Do keep in mind that it was easier to actually be inspired, though. I got different results, within statistical accuracy of 10 results each, Inspiration's 15% significantly beat the +25 from terrain:
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Post by jonblend on Oct 1, 2023 18:11:31 GMT
journeykeen , hmmm. Interesting. Is there a post about how the damage dealing system works? For example, a triple-stacked heavy tank has a default damage of 61. We put a general on it. Let's assume the general in question has 4 stars in tanks and maxed (lvl5) plain fighting and non-maxed (lvl1) inspiration. 4 stars add +18 damage and PF adds another +25, while inspiration adds +3%. So is it (61+18)*1.03+25 = 106.37 Or (61+18+25)*1.03 = 107.12? , here I wrote what I believe to know: european-war-4.boards.net/post/361823/thread |
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Post by journeykeen on Oct 11, 2023 12:05:47 GMT
I ran some quick tests: Guderian and Manstein, both have max AA, Manstein has max PF, Guderian has max inspiration. I leveled both to max, and conducted all tests while both inspired, both on tier 3 heavy tanks in the Poland mode. When Manstein is inspired, PF typically does a decent bit more damage. The 15% more (which should be on top of the damage boost from actually being inspired) from inspiration did not seem to beat it. Do keep in mind that it was easier to actually be inspired, though. I got different results, within statistical accuracy of 10 results each, Inspiration's 15% significantly beat the +25 from terrain:
To confirm he was max level on that super tank and you had the PF medal equipped? |
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Post by jonblend on Oct 13, 2023 14:06:29 GMT
I got different results, within statistical accuracy of 10 results each, Inspiration's 15% significantly beat the +25 from terrain:
To confirm he was max level on that super tank and you had the PF medal equipped? The opening question was about inspiration or plain on a guderian who already has explosive. That's why I assumed that there was no space for plain fighting medal and went for +25 terrain as stated.
Since Inspiration is a multiplicative effect, average damage depends on the unit's base damage and also on the level of red ribbon. As can be seen, lv4 red ribbon leads to almost equal outcome for plain <-> inspiration. Lv5 red ribbon (or high level elite forces) will tilt the scales towards inspiration.
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Post by journeykeen on Oct 13, 2023 15:47:58 GMT
To confirm he was max level on that super tank and you had the PF medal equipped? The opening question was about inspiration or plain on a guderian who already has explosive. That's why I assumed that there was no space for plain fighting medal and went for +25 terrain as stated.
Since Inspiration is a multiplicative effect, average damage depends on the unit's base damage and also on the level of red ribbon. As can be seen, lv4 red ribbon leads to almost equal outcome for plain <-> inspiration. Lv5 red ribbon (or high level elite forces) will tilt the scales towards inspiration.
Great point. |
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Post by Dorado St. Sebastian on Jan 28, 2024 17:23:40 GMT
Does Inspiration work for Air Commanders, Sea or Land?
Had Yamamoto with Eagle Air superiority medal, Air/fleet/aces medal, and a 3 degree ribbon, and he was doing about 175 damgage
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Post by Luigi Sansonetti on Jan 29, 2024 6:53:07 GMT
For a maxed out Guderian with explosive, which of the two skills do you think is better? How about for other tank commanders? In my opinion, the WC3 Inspiration meta is similar to WC4 Inspiration meta, and because of the nature of panzers, Inspiration > Plain Fighting. But in artillery, Plain Fighting > Inspiration unless there is an elite artillery with multi attack or a general with self-propelled artillery In light of this reply I made, If one has high level Stuka zu Fuss, they may go for Inspiration. |
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