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Post by t0rvesta on Oct 29, 2023 21:23:35 GMT
still not sure who i should get as my 5th tank for warzone, i have guderian, rokko, list and rommel
some people say mont > graziani because plain > mountain fighting, but graziani has machinist which is not too bad.
or instead of getting 5th tank, should i get neonen, mcarthur or 3rd naval gen?
i have excellence medal if that makes any difference
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Post by pevertpanda on Oct 30, 2023 6:59:26 GMT
still not sure who i should get as my 5th tank for warzone, i have guderian, rokko, list and rommel some people say mont > graziani because plain > mountain fighting, but graziani has machinist which is not too bad. or instead of getting 5th tank, should i get neonen, mcarthur or 3rd naval gen? i have excellence medal if that makes any difference Since you have Excellence medal, spare some money to buy Wittmann and Kluge, best tank and arttilery.They will make Frontier easier Save your medals to max your generals. But if you are considering between Mont and Graz. I would say Mont. Mont has 2 useful skills which are Plain fighting and Crossfire. Graz has no useful skills Machinist (15+ health), AceForce (useless on Tank), Mountain Fighting (not many mountains) |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 30, 2023 14:43:24 GMT
still not sure who i should get as my 5th tank for warzone, i have guderian, rokko, list and rommel some people say mont > graziani because plain > mountain fighting, but graziani has machinist which is not too bad. or instead of getting 5th tank, should i get neonen, mcarthur or 3rd naval gen? i have excellence medal if that makes any difference - for warzone & event 5th tank gen > 3rd arty or 2nd Inf or 3rd Naval Gen - if you have lot of medals or other gens is essentially upgraded: Monty, if not and you urgently need 5th gen then Vatutin. Cheaper, but slow as turtle (wont be a problem since warzone area is not that large) - Since 5th tank gen can't get a good red ribbon in event (Mostly will go to 1st to 4th tank gen), Monty or Vatutin can get another boost from your unusable 2nd PF medal while Graz or Patton can't. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 30, 2023 21:38:03 GMT
still not sure who i should get as my 5th tank for warzone, i have guderian, rokko, list and rommel some people say mont > graziani because plain > mountain fighting, but graziani has machinist which is not too bad. or instead of getting 5th tank, should i get neonen, mcarthur or 3rd naval gen? i have excellence medal if that makes any difference if you're looking for a support tank general i'd say monty or graziani. if you're looking for a powerhouse, as someone else suggested, i'd say wittmann. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 30, 2023 21:40:30 GMT
still not sure who i should get as my 5th tank for warzone, i have guderian, rokko, list and rommel some people say mont > graziani because plain > mountain fighting, but graziani has machinist which is not too bad. or instead of getting 5th tank, should i get neonen, mcarthur or 3rd naval gen? i have excellence medal if that makes any difference - for warzone & event 5th tank gen > 3rd arty or 2nd Inf or 3rd Naval Gen - if you have lot of medals or other gens is essentially upgraded: Monty, if not and you urgently need 5th gen then Vatutin. Cheaper, but slow as turtle (wont be a problem since warzone area is not that large) - Since 5th tank gen can't get a good red ribbon in event (Mostly will go to 1st to 4th tank gen), Monty or Vatutin can get another boost from your unusable 2nd PF medal while Graz or Patton can't. i might add vatutin could be less slow with the movement ribbon, which means more useful |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 30, 2023 22:17:39 GMT
i might add vatutin could be less slow with the movement ribbon, which means more useful Agree, but tank movement ribbon is way too hard to farm than RGB ribbon. His slow movement isn't a big problem since he doesn't need to move that much. Vatutin is my 6th anyway, and i only use him for hard event and doom warzone. |
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Post by t0rvesta on Oct 30, 2023 22:52:32 GMT
- for warzone & event 5th tank gen > 3rd arty or 2nd Inf or 3rd Naval Gen - if you have lot of medals or other gens is essentially upgraded: Monty, if not and you urgently need 5th gen then Vatutin. Cheaper, but slow as turtle (wont be a problem since warzone area is not that large) - Since 5th tank gen can't get a good red ribbon in event (Mostly will go to 1st to 4th tank gen), Monty or Vatutin can get another boost from your unusable 2nd PF medal while Graz or Patton can't. i might add vatutin could be less slow with the movement ribbon, which means more useful only 4 tank gens can use red ribbons in events? also i think vatutin with the movement ribbon seems like the best choice, he has 6 stars, he can only get 2 out of the 3 tank skills (aa, pl and blirtzkreig) but thats not a problem since i would only use aa and pl medal + excellence medal with him, as i won't be using blitzkreig medal, not having blitzkreig won't be a big issue, especially in warzone where you mainly need firepower, not survivability. And he is a lot cheaper than monty or graziani who both have worse skills than him, and they also can only get 2 out of 3 mentioned tank sklls. vatutin has 1 more tank star (800 medals worth), 500 medal cheaper than graziani and 800 cheaper than mont, so if 1300 + 1600 cheaper respectively. He has somewhat or equal skills (plain + tide > mont (plain + counter) and graz (machinist, mountain). the only difference is movement stars, although graz starts with also 1 and mont has only 2 more. Just curious, how do you farm the movement ribbon? I don't think i've seen it in events. |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 30, 2023 23:31:07 GMT
only 4 tank gens can use red ribbons in events? also i think vatutin with the movement ribbon seems like the best choice, he has 6 stars, he can only get 2 out of the 3 tank skills (aa, pl and blirtzkreig) but thats not a problem since i would only use aa and pl medal + excellence medal with him, as i won't be using blitzkreig medal, not having blitzkreig won't be a big issue, especially in warzone where you mainly need firepower, not survivability. And he is a lot cheaper than monty or graziani who both have worse skills than him, and they also can only get 2 out of 3 mentioned tank sklls. vatutin has 1 more tank star (800 medals worth), 500 medal cheaper than graziani and 800 cheaper than mont, so if 1300 + 1600 cheaper respectively. He has somewhat or equal skills (plain + tide > mont (plain + counter) and graz (machinist, mountain). the only difference is movement stars, although graz starts with also 1 and mont has only 2 more. Just curious, how do you farm the movement ribbon? I don't think i've seen it in events. - no, you can use all your red ribbon on all your tank gen, but how much good (lvl.3) red ribbon will you have since farming ribbon is really tiring. - movement ribbon can only be obtained from event, or biography mission, that's why i called it really hard to farm it. - in terms if skill set, Monty has better skill set than Vatutin. But price wise Vatutin is better. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 31, 2023 0:03:14 GMT
only 4 tank gens can use red ribbons in events? also i think vatutin with the movement ribbon seems like the best choice, he has 6 stars, he can only get 2 out of the 3 tank skills (aa, pl and blirtzkreig) but thats not a problem since i would only use aa and pl medal + excellence medal with him, as i won't be using blitzkreig medal, not having blitzkreig won't be a big issue, especially in warzone where you mainly need firepower, not survivability. And he is a lot cheaper than monty or graziani who both have worse skills than him, and they also can only get 2 out of 3 mentioned tank sklls. vatutin has 1 more tank star (800 medals worth), 500 medal cheaper than graziani and 800 cheaper than mont, so if 1300 + 1600 cheaper respectively. He has somewhat or equal skills (plain + tide > mont (plain + counter) and graz (machinist, mountain). the only difference is movement stars, although graz starts with also 1 and mont has only 2 more. Just curious, how do you farm the movement ribbon? I don't think i've seen it in events. - no, you can use all your red ribbon on all your tank gen, but how much good (lvl.3) red ribbon will you have since farming ribbon is really tiring. - movement ribbon can only be obtained from event, or biography mission, that's why i called it really hard to farm it. - in terms if skill set, Monty has better skill set than Vatutin. But price wise Vatutin is better. From what I observe people favor Montgomery because of his Crossfire. If so, the real "budget Monty" should be Juliusz. |
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Post by t0rvesta on Oct 31, 2023 5:58:46 GMT
- no, you can use all your red ribbon on all your tank gen, but how much good (lvl.3) red ribbon will you have since farming ribbon is really tiring. - movement ribbon can only be obtained from event, or biography mission, that's why i called it really hard to farm it. - in terms if skill set, Monty has better skill set than Vatutin. But price wise Vatutin is better. From what I observe people favor Montgomery because of his Crossfire. If so, the real "budget Monty" should be Juliusz. why is crossfire any good? tide is better, there is no point to buy mont who costs 1600 more medals than vatutin, he actually costs more than that because vatutin starts with level 3 pl, which is like 600 medals, mont needs aa and pl upgraded |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 31, 2023 8:39:27 GMT
i might add vatutin could be less slow with the movement ribbon, which means more useful only 4 tank gens can use red ribbons in events? also i think vatutin with the movement ribbon seems like the best choice, he has 6 stars, he can only get 2 out of the 3 tank skills (aa, pl and blirtzkreig) but thats not a problem since i would only use aa and pl medal + excellence medal with him, as i won't be using blitzkreig medal, not having blitzkreig won't be a big issue, especially in warzone where you mainly need firepower, not survivability. And he is a lot cheaper than monty or graziani who both have worse skills than him, and they also can only get 2 out of 3 mentioned tank sklls. vatutin has 1 more tank star (800 medals worth), 500 medal cheaper than graziani and 800 cheaper than mont, so if 1300 + 1600 cheaper respectively. He has somewhat or equal skills (plain + tide > mont (plain + counter) and graz (machinist, mountain). the only difference is movement stars, although graz starts with also 1 and mont has only 2 more. Just curious, how do you farm the movement ribbon? I don't think i've seen it in events. in events like mannerheim line, which i believe just began. you'll get some movement ribbons, just can't guarantee it'll be tank ribbons. the maginot line event also will give movement ribbons. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 31, 2023 8:42:50 GMT
From what I observe people favor Montgomery because of his Crossfire. If so, the real "budget Monty" should be Juliusz. why is crossfire any good? tide is better, there is no point to buy mont who costs 1600 more medals than vatutin, he actually costs more than that because vatutin starts with level 3 pl, which is like 600 medals, mont needs aa and pl upgraded crossfire provides a higher chance for extra damage. if a unit attacks monty, he counterattacks, which would be dealing more damage than tide does |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 31, 2023 9:28:55 GMT
why is crossfire any good? tide is better, there is no point to buy mont who costs 1600 more medals than vatutin, he actually costs more than that because vatutin starts with level 3 pl, which is like 600 medals, mont needs aa and pl upgraded crossfire provides a higher chance for extra damage. if a unit attacks monty, he counterattacks, which would be dealing more damage than tide does Correction, its higher/extra damage, not chance base 😃 See the difference below t0rvesta, 1st pick when attack, 2nd pic when defend   Rommel's damage will be higher than Guderian with same medals and ribbons when he's attacked. That's crossfire |
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Post by t0rvesta on Oct 31, 2023 17:44:47 GMT
crossfire provides a higher chance for extra damage. if a unit attacks monty, he counterattacks, which would be dealing more damage than tide does Correction, its higher/extra damage, not chance base 😃 See the difference below t0rvesta, 1st pick when attack, 2nd pic when defend Rommel's damage will be higher than Guderian with same medals and ribbons when he's attacked. That's crossfire I understand how it works, it just seems useless for warzone because if enemy does attack your tank general, most of the time his health would be low enough so you can finish him with 1 hit, atleast tide increases damage when you attack as well when you get hit, although it’s rather insignificant, the main advantage of vatutin is being much cheaper for same damage output as mont or graz. although in those pictures, the damage difference is big (there is probably rng involved as well, as a 12 extra damage from cross won't give 120 more damage), you deal most of the damage when you are attacking (if you have excellence medal). |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 31, 2023 22:41:22 GMT
I understand how it works, it just seems useless for warzone because if enemy does attack your tank general, most of the time his health would be low enough so you can finish him with 1 hit, atleast tide increases damage when you attack as well when you get hit, although it’s rather insignificant, the main advantage of vatutin is being much cheaper for same damage output as mont or graz. although in those pictures, the damage difference is big (there is probably rng involved as well, as a 12 extra damage from cross won't give 120 more damage), you deal most of the damage when you are attacking (if you have excellence medal). Wait, what 12 extra damage? It's 60% extra from your actual damage (cmiiw Erich von Manstein). So, gens with crossfire will always have their counter attack damage higher than their attack damage. I believe that excellence medal add a chance to attack again, and doesnt provide extra damage like panzer elite. Not sure because i didn't bought it. Already said that if you dont have tons of medals, pick Vatutin. But later, when you need to build 6th gen and all that 6 are well upgraded, you will find that Monty will be casually placed as your 3rd, 4th or 5th beside Roko and List (especially on hard event) |
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