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Post by t0rvesta on Nov 1, 2023 0:33:13 GMT
I understand how it works, it just seems useless for warzone because if enemy does attack your tank general, most of the time his health would be low enough so you can finish him with 1 hit, atleast tide increases damage when you attack as well when you get hit, although it’s rather insignificant, the main advantage of vatutin is being much cheaper for same damage output as mont or graz. although in those pictures, the damage difference is big (there is probably rng involved as well, as a 12 extra damage from cross won't give 120 more damage), you deal most of the damage when you are attacking (if you have excellence medal). Wait, what 12 extra damage? It's 60% extra from your actual damage (cmiiw Erich von Manstein ). So, gens with crossfire will always have their counter attack damage higher than their attack damage. I believe that excellence medal add a chance to attack again, and doesnt provide extra damage like panzer elite. Not sure because i didn't bought it. Already said that if you dont have tons of medals, pick Vatutin. But later, when you need to build 6th gen and all that 6 are well upgraded, you will find that Monty will be casually placed as your 3rd, 4th or 5th beside Roko and List (especially on hard event) sorry it's 12% extra damage from mont, but it will not get any benefit from excellence medal why would mont > vatutin for events? is it just because of his speed? at the moment, im just farming warzone as it seems warzone gives better rewards than events, i'm only interested in red and green ribbons, events take more time and give elite units which i'm not sure where you would use tbh, in events only? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 1, 2023 0:43:32 GMT
I understand how it works, it just seems useless for warzone because if enemy does attack your tank general, most of the time his health would be low enough so you can finish him with 1 hit, atleast tide increases damage when you attack as well when you get hit, although it’s rather insignificant, the main advantage of vatutin is being much cheaper for same damage output as mont or graz. although in those pictures, the damage difference is big (there is probably rng involved as well, as a 12 extra damage from cross won't give 120 more damage), you deal most of the damage when you are attacking (if you have excellence medal). Wait, what 12 extra damage? It's 60% extra from your actual damage (cmiiw Erich von Manstein). So, gens with crossfire will always have their counter attack damage higher than their attack damage. I believe that excellence medal add a chance to attack again, and doesnt provide extra damage like panzer elite. Not sure because i didn't bought it. Already said that if you dont have tons of medals, pick Vatutin. But later, when you need to build 6th gen and all that 6 are well upgraded, you will find that Monty will be casually placed as your 3rd, 4th or 5th beside Roko and List (especially on hard event) 60% with medal or 30% without. That's why it's a powerful skill in frontier and warzone. Warzone has no vp so it's all about dealing more damage, and crossfire is pretty much lvl 4 explosives if you are soloing a base. I calculated Juliusz's cost and he isn't much cheaper than Montgomery at the same level. The cost difference between Montgomery (6* tank and 3* PL) and Vatutin is 2110 medals, but he also comes with crossfire and extra hp. Since it's 5th tank, which is more a luxury than a necessity imo, I'd just go for him. |
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Post by t0rvesta on Nov 1, 2023 7:25:47 GMT
Wait, what 12 extra damage? It's 60% extra from your actual damage (cmiiw Erich von Manstein ). So, gens with crossfire will always have their counter attack damage higher than their attack damage. I believe that excellence medal add a chance to attack again, and doesnt provide extra damage like panzer elite. Not sure because i didn't bought it. Already said that if you dont have tons of medals, pick Vatutin. But later, when you need to build 6th gen and all that 6 are well upgraded, you will find that Monty will be casually placed as your 3rd, 4th or 5th beside Roko and List (especially on hard event) 60% with medal or 30% without. That's why it's a powerful skill in frontier and warzone. Warzone has no vp so it's all about dealing more damage, and crossfire is pretty much lvl 4 explosives if you are soloing a base. I calculated Juliusz's cost and he isn't much cheaper than Montgomery at the same level. The cost difference between Montgomery (6* tank and 3* PL) and Vatutin is 2110 medals, but he also comes with crossfire and extra hp. Since it's 5th tank, which is more a luxury than a necessity imo, I'd just go for him. what is vp? also i won't be using crossfire medal on mont, only aa, pl and excellence. crossfire doesn't get any benefit from excellence medal, and it is no way a 'powerful' skill, can't compare it with aa, pl or blitz. I would have to spend 1.5k-2k more medals to upgrade aa and pl anyway and it just costs a lot. |
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Post by George Rudi on Nov 1, 2023 11:55:59 GMT
sorry it's 12% extra damage from mont, but it will not get any benefit from excellence medal why would mont > vatutin for events? is it just because of his speed? at the moment, im just farming warzone as it seems warzone gives better rewards than events, i'm only interested in red and green ribbons, events take more time and give elite units which i'm not sure where you would use tbh, in events only? Why Monty? Because for me he gives extra damage more than vatutin can give. speed is not that essential since you march unit in group so it's just another plus. For current event like Mannerheim line, his elastic defense will be more useful when you sit your gen behind the bunker/cannon. So why vatutin when you already have Monty? Elite units is useful in any mode. Campaign, conquest, warzone, frontier will be easier especially with biography bonus on Guderian and Rommel |
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Post by t0rvesta on Nov 1, 2023 17:28:01 GMT
sorry it's 12% extra damage from mont, but it will not get any benefit from excellence medal why would mont > vatutin for events? is it just because of his speed? at the moment, im just farming warzone as it seems warzone gives better rewards than events, i'm only interested in red and green ribbons, events take more time and give elite units which i'm not sure where you would use tbh, in events only? Why Monty? Because for me he gives extra damage more than vatutin can give. speed is not that essential since you march unit in group so it's just another plus. For current event like Mannerheim line, his elastic defense will be more useful when you sit your gen behind the bunker/cannon. So why vatutin when you already have Monty? Elite units is useful in any mode. Campaign, conquest, warzone, frontier will be easier especially with biography bonus on Guderian and Rommel You can’t afford to make elite units in frontier mode because units are more expensive in general, I always use the starting units in frontier |
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Post by George Rudi on Nov 2, 2023 0:57:11 GMT
Why Monty? Because for me he gives extra damage more than vatutin can give. speed is not that essential since you march unit in group so it's just another plus. For current event like Mannerheim line, his elastic defense will be more useful when you sit your gen behind the bunker/cannon. So why vatutin when you already have Monty? Elite units is useful in any mode. Campaign, conquest, warzone, frontier will be easier especially with biography bonus on Guderian and Rommel You can’t afford to make elite units in frontier mode because units are more expensive in general, I always use the starting units in frontier Why not? You get lot of initial cash to be spent |
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Post by resiphius on Nov 2, 2023 15:31:55 GMT
Why Monty? Because for me he gives extra damage more than vatutin can give. speed is not that essential since you march unit in group so it's just another plus. For current event like Mannerheim line, his elastic defense will be more useful when you sit your gen behind the bunker/cannon. So why vatutin when you already have Monty? Elite units is useful in any mode. Campaign, conquest, warzone, frontier will be easier especially with biography bonus on Guderian and Rommel You can’t afford to make elite units in frontier mode because units are more expensive in general, I always use the starting units in frontier Later levels in frontier mode actually give you lots of startup resource even without effect from income buff, either allowing you to deploy a King Tiger or BM-21 along with medic, or just slightly short of doing that. |
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