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Post by Washington on Dec 5, 2023 0:13:22 GMT
Hey all, It's been ages since I properly contributed to this forum. I used to be an active person back in the day and I've recently picked up on EW4 after ages, and I have some new wisdom to share. I'd also love to do a generals ranking so I'm combining the two here - hope it helps for those who still play EW5 - arguably my favorite mobile strategy game. I don't expect to stay here again as a regular but I'd hope those would enjoy what I have to share TacticsSome (if not all) have already been covered by others on this forum but I'd like to provide my two cents. - Circling - Morale plays a huge role in this game, and it's always been prudent to surround enemies (especially infantry and cavalry) as it softens the retaliatory damage you receive. This gets even better when you're using cavalry units as you can often trigger further drops and best confusion (the question marks). These can paralyze enemies and leave them more vulnerable to extra damage (without retaliation!). Further, even using low-health cavalry units can have a chance at lowering morale and it denies the enemy a chance to improve their morale should they kill the unit otherwise. Mastering this is key to winning a lot of campaigns, and for those speed running conquests.
- Isolate and Strike - In a lot of (especially later-era) campaign missions, you are pressed for time to strike. Forts, cities, and other locations often can be irrelevant and bog you down further, especially when you have to maintain key locations. To that extent, my strategy has always been to deploy line infantry (if you have the money, triple formation) can hold key locations for turns against strong enemies and otherwise continue on striking hard at other locations. Map out a route with your generals doing the heavy lifting and keep moving.
- Forts as distractions - Observed on a lot of occasions, AI often ignores your units in favor of attacking in-progress forts. Use that to your advantage, and buy wooden forts and coastal forts to distract your enemy from attacking your units, which can also be used to help surround and circle said enemies. Whilst it may not fully be the case with key locations, they still provide a relief opportunity for low-health units to escape from further attack. This has helped me a lot in campaign missions, and helped with the isolate and strike strategy
- Seize the means of (food) production - Seizing farms not only gain food for your economy, but also benefits generals that get nobility boosts from the capturing of locations and can trigger starvation of the enemy. Whilst starvation is mainly a conquest strategy, I have seen it work marvellously in some campaign examples like War of Glory, where you essentially have a free hand in attacking confused enemies and winning with ease. So seize those farms!
- Don't be afraid to kamikaze - Often it is understandable if you don't want to lose a valuable unit that is running dangerously, but don't be hesitant to use them. They can provide as a nice distraction, can trigger morale drops if the unit is cavalry, and you can focus on other units. This works extremely well for generals with mass fire, who can deal a ton of dmg as they go down fighting. So don't be stingy with preserving all your units, utilize them to tactically inflict large dmg.
- Movement is King - Movement stars are very effective, and upgrading them can be the difference of achieving Victoria or achieving Isabella instead in a conquest. Lots of movement can allow generals to sometimes traverse fast enough to capture undefended cities, and combined with Warhorse/Geography - you can probably start at Russia and reach Lisbon in 10 turns. Damage isn't everything, but also how fast you can reach your targets to deal that damage. There is a reason why everyone fanboys/girls over Berthier.
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Post by Washington on Dec 5, 2023 0:13:49 GMT
So I'll stylize this as my own criteria. I don't think all of the generals that are usually slated are not bad necessarily, so I will offer a dual rating. I will only be doing the middle and IAP tiers, as I'm aware there are decent 1st tier generals but they are mainly for early/mid-game and that the IAPs/Middle Tier gens almost always outclasses them.
The first is the Effectiveness Index which rates if the general in question is useful in battle, whether it be through damage, defense, and/or economic means. I will class it in five categories
1. Extremely Effective - These are generals that shine and almost always can carry battles by themselves, often decimating enemy units. They do not need much investment or have amazing potential to dominate the battlefield and also the economy even as we will see with some generals.
2. Effective - These are generals that are great and can create a good amount of trouble for the enemy. They may not be the great of the greats but they can stand for themselves
3. Decent - These are generals that can perform well in the circumstances but can still be outclassed or they are limited in their ability to scale up their potential. Objectively performs well but not the best choice
4. Fine - These are generals that are still an asset to use but aren't really good choices compared to some of the other generals on offer. They're probably good in campaign missions where you get them, but not good to own.
5. Not Effective - These are generals that don't shine and are very limited in their potential to help you. Generals (even the awful ones) all have an advantage over regular units due to nobility/rank values, but these generals don't bring much otherwise to the table to help stand them out or to perform well.
Then there is the Value Index which assesses if the general is worth the medals/emblems. It considers any investment costs of regrouping generals to get 5* and if the skillset provides good value for the general
1. Worth it - They are definitely worth the medals/emblems, and might need relatively little investment to intensify their bang for buck.
2. Quite Costly - They have decent potential to be worth it, but needs a lot of regrouping/item investment so beware.
3. Not Worth it - Not worth the medals/emblems, even if they perform decently on the effectiveness index.
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Post by lizardpianist on Dec 5, 2023 9:25:34 GMT
Hey all, It's been ages since I properly contributed to this forum. I used to be an active person back in the day and I've recently picked up on EW4 after ages, and I have some new wisdom to share. I'd also love to do a generals ranking so I'm combining the two here - hope it helps for those who still play EW5 - arguably my favorite mobile strategy game. I don't expect to stay here again as a regular but I'd hope those would enjoy what I have to share TacticsSome (if not all) have already been covered by others on this forum but I'd like to provide my two cents. - Forts as distractions - Observed on a lot of occasions, AI often ignores your units in favor of attacking in-progress forts. Use that to your advantage, and buy wooden forts and coastal forts to distract your enemy from attacking your units, which can also be used to help surround and circle said enemies. Whilst it may not fully be the case with key locations, they still provide a relief opportunity for low-health units to escape from further attack. This has helped me a lot in campaign missions, and helped with the isolate and strike strategy
I do love this tactic, and I also use it for surrounding and morale drops. Another tip is that you can put forts in the hole of your defense lines to help prevent your artillery or other units from being attacked.- Seize the means of (food) production - Seizing farms not only gain food for your economy, but also benefits generals that get nobility boosts from the capturing of locations and can trigger starvation of the enemy. Whilst starvation is mainly a conquest strategy, I have seen it work marvellously in some campaign examples like Battle of Glory, where you essentially have a free hand in attacking confused enemies and winning with ease. So seize those farms!
Did you perhaps mean War of Glory in Coalition campaign? I believe that Battle of Glory is a nonexistent campaign. Starvation in this campaign though? Can you please elaborate the specific strategy? I'm curious to see, as I've never seen anyone starve the Frenchmen to win here. |
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Post by Washington on Dec 5, 2023 11:30:16 GMT
Edited now aha, thanks.
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Post by Washington on Dec 5, 2023 13:54:39 GMT
Hey all, It's been ages since I properly contributed to this forum. I used to be an active person back in the day and I've recently picked up on EW4 after ages, and I have some new wisdom to share. I'd also love to do a generals ranking so I'm combining the two here - hope it helps for those who still play EW5 - arguably my favorite mobile strategy game. I don't expect to stay here again as a regular but I'd hope those would enjoy what I have to share TacticsSome (if not all) have already been covered by others on this forum but I'd like to provide my two cents. - Forts as distractions - Observed on a lot of occasions, AI often ignores your units in favor of attacking in-progress forts. Use that to your advantage, and buy wooden forts and coastal forts to distract your enemy from attacking your units, which can also be used to help surround and circle said enemies. Whilst it may not fully be the case with key locations, they still provide a relief opportunity for low-health units to escape from further attack. This has helped me a lot in campaign missions, and helped with the isolate and strike strategy
I do love this tactic, and I also use it for surrounding and morale drops. Another tip is that you can put forts in the hole of your defense lines to help prevent your artillery or other units from being attacked.- Seize the means of (food) production - Seizing farms not only gain food for your economy, but also benefits generals that get nobility boosts from the capturing of locations and can trigger starvation of the enemy. Whilst starvation is mainly a conquest strategy, I have seen it work marvellously in some campaign examples like Battle of Glory, where you essentially have a free hand in attacking confused enemies and winning with ease. So seize those farms!
Did you perhaps mean War of Glory in Coalition campaign? I believe that Battle of Glory is a nonexistent campaign. Starvation in this campaign though? Can you please elaborate the specific strategy? I'm curious to see, as I've never seen anyone starve the Frenchmen to win here.
So I didn't go about doing it intentionally, but basically I didn't focus on Paris at first but at the cities to the side, and having landed my seaborne troops, I eventually ended up capturing farms and in doing so- I noticed morale was dropping and initially got confused but realized it was starvation. So I think just seizing a lot of farms early did the trick. |
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Post by Arya Stark on Dec 6, 2023 18:27:18 GMT
Hey all, It's been ages since I properly contributed to this forum. I used to be an active person back in the day and I've recently picked up on EW4 after ages, and I have some new wisdom to share. I'd also love to do a generals ranking so I'm combining the two here - hope it helps for those who still play EW5 - arguably my favorite mobile strategy game. I don't expect to stay here again as a regular but I'd hope those would enjoy what I have to share TacticsSome (if not all) have already been covered by others on this forum but I'd like to provide my two cents. - Circling - Morale plays a huge role in this game, and it's always been prudent to surround enemies (especially infantry and cavalry) as it softens the retaliatory damage you receive. This gets even better when you're using cavalry units as you can often trigger further drops and best confusion (the question marks). These can paralyze enemies and leave them more vulnerable to extra damage (without retaliation!). Further, even using low-health cavalry units can have a chance at lowering morale and it denies the enemy a chance to improve their morale should they kill the unit otherwise. Mastering this is key to winning a lot of campaigns, and for those speed running conquests.
- Isolate and Strike - In a lot of (especially later-era) campaign missions, you are pressed for time to strike. Forts, cities, and other locations often can be irrelevant and bog you down further, especially when you have to maintain key locations. To that extent, my strategy has always been to deploy line infantry (if you have the money, triple formation) can hold key locations for turns against strong enemies and otherwise continue on striking hard at other locations. Map out a route with your generals doing the heavy lifting and keep moving.
- Forts as distractions - Observed on a lot of occasions, AI often ignores your units in favor of attacking in-progress forts. Use that to your advantage, and buy wooden forts and coastal forts to distract your enemy from attacking your units, which can also be used to help surround and circle said enemies. Whilst it may not fully be the case with key locations, they still provide a relief opportunity for low-health units to escape from further attack. This has helped me a lot in campaign missions, and helped with the isolate and strike strategy
- Seize the means of (food) production - Seizing farms not only gain food for your economy, but also benefits generals that get nobility boosts from the capturing of locations and can trigger starvation of the enemy. Whilst starvation is mainly a conquest strategy, I have seen it work marvellously in some campaign examples like War of Glory, where you essentially have a free hand in attacking confused enemies and winning with ease. So seize those farms!
- Don't be afraid to kamikaze - Often it is understandable if you don't want to lose a valuable unit that is running dangerously, but don't be hesitant to use them. They can provide as a nice distraction, can trigger morale drops if the unit is cavalry, and you can focus on other units. This works extremely well for generals with mass fire, who can deal a ton of dmg as they go down fighting. So don't be stingy with preserving all your units, utilize them to tactically inflict large dmg.
- Movement is King - Movement stars are very effective, and upgrading them can be the difference of achieving Victoria or achieving Isabella instead in a conquest. Lots of movement can allow generals to sometimes traverse fast enough to capture undefended cities, and combined with Warhorse/Geography - you can probably start at Russia and reach Lisbon in 10 turns. Damage isn't everything, but also how fast you can reach your targets to deal that damage. There is a reason why everyone fanboys/girls over Berthier.
Hello old friend, long time no see!
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Post by Washington on Dec 11, 2023 11:00:34 GMT
Put in the criteria for the indexes, and I'll start putting generals in here.
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