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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 3, 2024 15:45:43 GMT
How would Tachibana Ginchiyo rank amongst these IAP gens. Personally, as a general I think she's better than Oda Nobunaga  Oh, absolutely, as a general she's better than Nobunaga, I've been making that claim since the update released. But the package is more than just a general: if it was, it'll feel like a rip-off considering 10 dollars is a lot for just a general! This is where we have to compare Ginchiyo's library perk to Nobunaga's ban-kin since Ginchiyo's daily sucks and Nobunaga doesn't have a library.
Ginchiyo's library rewards on paper looks extremely good, but I think we all overhyped it a lot. Safety fuses are refreshable in the shop and I do find myself hitting the max on mounted teppo, the unit that really matters on that. Coins at my point in the game mostly ends up sitting around as I've bought all the Tenkabito castles. And as for the horses, for any practical purposes you won't need them, what you get F2P is good enough unless you're intent on speedrunning conquest like SolidLight or myself. And, horses don't give black iron - it'll be really creepy if they did! Thus, when we pull Ginchiyo's library, what we're really pulling for is her fragments, which still is very good. But is it as good as 25 daily ban-kin? I'm going to be controversial and argue yes, the frags are worth the 25 ban-kin - my argument is all we're doing is cutting down farming time, it's just Ginchiyo does it more directly to herself while Nobunaga requires you to gacha for his.
Either way, battlepass still is the obvious number one choice for IAP, unless you really can't spare the extra 5 dollars, in which case second place goes to Takeda Shingen for his library pull of 50 ban-kin. Anyone else isn't probably worth it unless you intend on catching them all, although the price definitely starts to add up.
My ranking (based off of everything I've seen, which is to say 0 personal experience with any of the purchases): Battlepass/Uesugi Kenshin Takeda Shingen Tachibana Ginchiyo Oda Nobunaga
Sanada Yukimura Ii Naotora
Fuma Kotaro's unrankable given he's so much cheaper than the others. He's probably the worst general out of all of them, or maybe better than Naotora, but his low price tag makes it useful for those who doesn't like spending all that money on a mobile game. But, at that point just stay F2P, the game's easy enough that you can afford to do so.
But really, buy who you want. Any one of them is going to be a boost to you, and if you really like a certain general, they're there to buy. Right now there's no rotating IAPs (thank god) so there's never any rush to purchase. Take your time and decide what you want. The generals are pretty pricey for what they're worth, so I'd also recommend trying to get as far as possible without IAPs. I believe it's pretty possible to complete all the current content without IAPs and without being a tactical genius.
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Post by Boss Tweed on Feb 3, 2024 19:49:24 GMT
How would Tachibana Ginchiyo rank amongst these IAP gens. Personally, as a general I think she's better than Oda Nobunaga Oh, absolutely, as a general she's better than Nobunaga, I've been making that claim since the update released. But the package is more than just a general: if it was, it'll feel like a rip-off considering 10 dollars is a lot for just a general! This is where we have to compare Ginchiyo's library perk to Nobunaga's ban-kin since Ginchiyo's daily sucks and Nobunaga doesn't have a library.
Ginchiyo's library rewards on paper looks extremely good, but I think we all overhyped it a lot. Safety fuses are refreshable in the shop and I do find myself hitting the max on mounted teppo, the unit that really matters on that. Coins at my point in the game mostly ends up sitting around as I've bought all the Tenkabito castles. And as for the horses, for any practical purposes you won't need them, what you get F2P is good enough unless you're intent on speedrunning conquest like SolidLight or myself. And, horses don't give black iron - it'll be really creepy if they did! Thus, when we pull Ginchiyo's library, what we're really pulling for is her fragments, which still is very good. But is it as good as 25 daily ban-kin? I'm going to be controversial and argue yes, the frags are worth the 25 ban-kin - my argument is all we're doing is cutting down farming time, it's just Ginchiyo does it more directly to herself while Nobunaga requires you to gacha for his.
Either way, battlepass still is the obvious number one choice for IAP, unless you really can't spare the extra 5 dollars, in which case second place goes to Takeda Shingen for his library pull of 50 ban-kin. Anyone else isn't probably worth it unless you intend on catching them all, although the price definitely starts to add up.
My ranking (based off of everything I've seen, which is to say 0 personal experience with any of the purchases): Battlepass/Uesugi Kenshin Takeda Shingen Tachibana Ginchiyo Oda Nobunaga
Sanada Yukimura Ii Naotora
Fuma Kotaro's unrankable given he's so much cheaper than the others. He's probably the worst general out of all of them, or maybe better than Naotora, but his low price tag makes it useful for those who doesn't like spending all that money on a mobile game. But, at that point just stay F2P, the game's easy enough that you can afford to do so.
But really, buy who you want. Any one of them is going to be a boost to you, and if you really like a certain general, they're there to buy. Right now there's no rotating IAPs (thank god) so there's never any rush to purchase. Take your time and decide what you want. The generals are pretty pricey for what they're worth, so I'd also recommend trying to get as far as possible without IAPs. I believe it's pretty possible to complete all the current content without IAPs and without being a tactical genius.
I think Battlepass is good because of all the generals it massively upgrades. Hashiba Hideyoshi, Hojo Ujiyasu, Maeda Keiji, Date Masamune (maybe a few others I am not sure) all gain either full item sets or items they would love like Taiping Yue for Maeda Keiji. Uesugi Kenshin is just the afterthought that I get from buying Battle pass (like the "oh, and" that is usually tacked on in a deal). Fuma Kotaro is a fun general to use, solid as an individual archer, but his unit is terrible and probably more expensive than the other IAPs to fully obtain so he is definitely the worst of them all. |
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Post by SolidLight on Feb 3, 2024 20:11:47 GMT
The issue with Nobunaga and Ginchiyo is that itโs really hard to meaningfully use them. Conquest seems like a much bigger part of the game than Campaign/Tenkabito. And teppo gens face quite a few challenges there. I barely use Kazumazu and Mitsuhide anymore.
Teppo is the most expensive unit type in terms of knowledge spent,(Artillery is more, but you canโt spawn any special ones so that doesnโt count) but most of the special ones that you can spawn just donโt do anything better than the generics. The Mounted Teppo is the big one that you want to spam out, but you only get to do it as Ashina and maybe Utsunomiya. The Shield Teppo is probably just an outright bad unit imo, the Odzutsu handcannon is massively overpriced, the Tanegashima Teppo is nowhere to be seen. So our best option is usually the Rain Covering Teppo.
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Actually scratch that. Oda can build the Horoshu Cav which are cheaper and WAY stronger and Suzuki is right next to a Miyoshi city with the good stuff. Teppo Samurais cost a ton of coins to build too. The only teppo unit Iโve usually been able to get a guy on within like the first 15 or so turns in the vast majority of cases has been the Teppo Ashigaru.
Meanwhile the Hatamoto, Elite Samurai and the Mounted Archer are everywhere. And infantry, archers and cavalry are generally cheaper too!
So yeahโฆ itโs really hard to find instances where I can use a lot of teppo generals. Masamune (or whoever your #1 option is) is an exception because of the free tavern spawn. Sometimes I get to use Shigehide on Teppo Ashigaru, but most of the other guys are in no mans land despite not actually being bad. I did use a lot as Ashina though.
On a slightly related note. Iโve stopped thinking of Shimazu Yoshihisa as a teppo general and is mostly using him on whatever lousy generic units I have available. If I get him to rank 5 and give him a +1 active skill level set then I can get his Forced March down to a 3 turn cooldown. That could help a lot in conquest. Actually in campaign too since you most often have more deployment slots than worthwhile units to deploy guys on.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 3, 2024 20:46:37 GMT
The issue with Nobunaga and Ginchiyo is that itโs really hard to meaningfully use them. Conquest seems like a much bigger part of the game than Campaign/Tenkabito. And teppo gens face quite a few challenges there. I barely use Kazumazu and Mitsuhide anymore. Teppo is the most expensive unit type in terms of knowledge spent,(Artillery is more, but you canโt spawn any special ones so that doesnโt count) but most of the special ones that you can spawn just donโt do anything better than the generics. The Mounted Teppo is the big one that you want to spam out, but you only get to do it as Ashina and maybe Utsunomiya. The Shield Teppo is probably just an outright bad unit imo, the Odzutsu handcannon is massively overpriced, the Tanegashima Teppo is nowhere to be seen. So our best option is usually the Rain Covering Teppo. โฆ Actually scratch that. Oda can build the Horoshu Cav which are cheaper and WAY stronger and Suzuki is right next to a Miyoshi city with the good stuff. Teppo Samurais cost a ton of coins to build too. The only teppo unit Iโve usually been able to get a guy on within like the first 15 or so turns in the vast majority of cases has been the Teppo Ashigaru. Meanwhile the Hatamoto, Elite Samurai and the Mounted Archer are everywhere. And infantry, archers and cavalry are generally cheaper too! So yeahโฆ itโs really hard to find instances where I can use a lot of teppo generals. Masamune (or whoever your #1 option is) is an exception because of the free tavern spawn. Sometimes I get to use Shigehide on Teppo Ashigaru, but most of the other guys are in no mans land despite not actually being bad. I did use a lot as Ashina though. On a slightly related note. Iโve stopped thinking of Shimazu Yoshihisa as a teppo general and is mostly using him on whatever lousy generic units I have available. If I get him to rank 5 and give him a +1 active skill level set then I can get his Forced March down to a 3 turn cooldown. That could help a lot in conquest. Actually in campaign too since you most often have more deployment slots than worthwhile units to deploy guys on. If I had to guess, the Tanegashima Teppo is gonna be found in Kyushu given the location of Tanegashima, who specializes in it (Ginchiyo and Yoshihisa, both Kyushu daimyo), and the history behind it as the European traders mainly traded in Kyushu. Unfortunately the two current conquests we have set their western edge somewhere in Shikoku meaning they just don't exist. Teppo's worst aspect is definitely their price, which does put a damper on it in conquest.
Thinking about it this way actually makes me more inclined to place Sanada Yukimura above both Nobunaga and Ginchiyo simply because his specialty is very very useful in conquest, he hits hard and can move fast, and works well alone. Cavalry are definitely the go-to unit within that mode, with infantry mainly in a supportive role and city defense. This saddens me as I'm definitely Ginchiyo's greatest defender, but I can admit defeat sometimes. Besides, Yukimura's cool too, so he's forgiven.
I remember saying Ginchiyo's easily better than Yoshihisa. For the most part I still agree with that, except for the one place it matters: conquest. Yoshihisa's skill works very well to soften mistakes and keep up with your fast cavalry generals, or make them go even farther with two movement opportunities. I've found myself placing him on ashigaru solely for his ability in my latest conquests. Even better is that his skills aren't specialized to teppo so he actually works pretty well on infantry and slightly less so on cavalry.
Actually, I'm finding it hard to effectively utilize most of my generals, especially in the really crucial early game. Having only 5 slots for generals is really tough to manage especially when you've decided on a strategy of fighting the world: it's quick and efficient but difficult to play. Unfortunately that means that most of my awesome generals just don't get used as much, especially when they have a skill that doesn't either eliminate or cripple a threat or increase mobility. Take Ieyasu for example, he's got some good skills and is a very good archer with a decent troop, but I just can't justify spawning him in favor of for example, Motochika. Ieyasu's active loses me a turn of attacking so he can hit harder, but often I find myself wanting to attack every turn, leaving me not pressing the button, while Motochika's AOE attack almost always has a use, especially if the enemy is spamming.
Anyway all of that is kinda off topic for the discussion on IAP generals, which my big writeup still stands mostly. As for Boss Tweed 's comments, yes, exactly: Battlepass's main draw is all the goodies it gives and less so Uesugi Kenshin, but a good cav general is a good cav general. If it was just him alone I'd probably knock him down a few spots, but the fact he comes bundled with everything else really does make him the "oh, and" part of a deal. Which is hilarious for usually it's the generals that are the biggest draw and also that he's pretty good on his own merits. |
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Post by kanue on Feb 4, 2024 17:02:13 GMT
Thus, when we pull Ginchiyo's library, what we're really pulling for is her fragments, which still is very good. But is it as good as 25 daily ban-kin?
Just wanna point out that 25 ban-kin from Oda is free (after you paid for him, of course) but you need to spend a sweep to do Ginchiyo's library. |
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 4, 2024 17:28:17 GMT
Thus, when we pull Ginchiyo's library, what we're really pulling for is her fragments, which still is very good. But is it as good as 25 daily ban-kin?
Just wanna point out that 25 ban-kin from Oda is free (after you paid for him, of course) but you need to spend a sweep to do Ginchiyo's library. Very true, and something that I overlooked I still think the sweep is better to have than the ban-kin since it directly affects the general in question, but of course with sweeps there's a priority list for who to pull... Shingen's is practically a requirement to use two sweeps on as 100 ban-kin + 4 Shingen frags + 30% chance to get 10 black iron is just too good to pass up on.
Motonari's is also practically a requirement if you have him until you max him as he's just too good of a general to leave. That's four sweeps and leaves only one for Ginchiyo who fights with Masamune, Yukimura, etc. for the last sweep spot. And that's not even counting if you haven't maxed Oichi/Okuni and you want to pull expedition sweeps instead!
But, the opportunity to max Ginchiyo is always there while Nobunaga is bound by luck and possibly patience if you want to maximize your chances at maxing him. Nobunaga banners don't happen every day. And that's the devious thing about rotating banners which I'm all too familiar with because of the gacha games I play. Because of that luck reliance, I'd take the general I can reliably get to 6 stars over the one where I have to use up my luck to get. I'm already saving mine for banners in Project Sekai! 
Either way the difference between Ginchiyo and Nobunaga's packages are very small that I say if you have to choose between the two pick Shingen instead. Booo!
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Post by chadyy on Feb 6, 2024 7:24:51 GMT
Based on my experience, and solely based on performence in the battlefield i would rank them as:
1. Sanada
2. Oda (i used mounted teppo for a chance to hit 4x times)
3. Takeda
4. Eusugi
They are worth to buy, as for the others 2 i dont have experience with them, and not that interested to buy so ๐
I believe ginchiyo would hit like a truck but i dont think i need more general on this game as this game is much more easier than ew7. And also some of purple general here are more stronger than some of gold one (unlike in the ew7) so i decide to stuck with 4 of them till the end of the game ๐คฃ๐คฃ
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 6, 2024 16:43:40 GMT
Based on my experience, and solely based on performence in the battlefield i would rank them as: 1. Sanada 2. Oda (i used mounted teppo for a chance to hit 4x times) 3. Takeda 4. Eusugi They are worth to buy, as for the others 2 i dont have experience with them, and not that interested to buy so ๐ I believe ginchiyo would hit like a truck but i dont think i need more general on this game as this game is much more easier than ew7. And also some of purple general here are more stronger than some of gold one (unlike in the ew7) so i decide to stuck with 4 of them till the end of the game ๐คฃ๐คฃ Pair him with Shimazu Yoshihisa to get him to attack 5 times in a turn! Too bad he loses any offensive ability the next one...
Yukimura definitely seems like a complete battering ram especially if paired with his full set. He's essentially a magical massacre on his own. But so are all the others, I'm sure a well equipped Shingen, Kenshin, and especially the teppo generals can also deal massive amounts of damage.
All IAP generals have immense amounts of power. Nobunaga's three stage firing allows him to devastate whole groups of armies (although I'd argue that Masamune's AOE skill is slightly better at clearing). Shingen's active gives him uninterrupted speed and a massive damage boost, and it's aura too, which means Shingen works better with others. I kind of want to see how amazing it'll be to have a bunch of good generals together, use Shingen's active, and then just wreck havoc on everyone in conquest. Naotora's the best support general out there, able to quickly heal other more frontline units while passively healing herself, although F2P support himes such as Oichi and Okuni severely diminishes her utility. Kenshin's a crazy guy who's faith never wavers, keeping his morale high despite being surrounded and then using his AOE to slash them all down. Oh, and he has a 60% chance to attack again after finishing an attack. And of course, Yukimura is probably the best damage dealer as said before, and I've sang Ginchiyo's praises many times; she attacks twice in a turn without losing her next turn with the second being slightly more powerful, runs on a quicker cooldown than Nobunaga and her F2P counterparts Shigehide and Kazumasu, doesn't lose movement to mountain, and her skillset is amazing.
But on the flipside, F2P generals have lots of gems among them too. I believe Masamune's the best teppo general out there with his active and specialized unit being the mounted teppo, and Motonari's probably the best general we can ever have due to his active solely. And I'm saying this after being a silent doubter of Motonari until I used him! Shigehide essentially works as a free version of Ginchiyo/Nobunaga, he's definitely worse than both of them but the fact you don't have to spend real money on him means he's more accessible. Maeda Keiji and Ii Naomasa both are crazy horse guys who's outputs while maybe not equaling Yukimura can come pretty close, and Honda Tadakatsu and Shibata Katsuie are no slouches either. There also are no good IAP infantry and war gear generals, Nobutsuna and Yoshihiro for infantry and Ujiyasu and Sorin for war gear are all free (or as free as a gacha can get). The game gives so many good generals and a relatively easy time compared to other ET games that it's harder to justify paying here compared to let's say EW7.
Of course if you're a Sengoku nerd like me and have an idolization of all of these generals you can absolutely buy them all. I've basically turned into a broken record in this thread at this point.
Side note: I believe Hojo Ujiyasu is a better general than Otomo Sorin. It's the AOE attack, the movement, and the library chapter that does it for me.
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Post by Kurt von Schleicher on Feb 8, 2024 4:55:59 GMT
Based on my experience, and solely based on performence in the battlefield i would rank them as: 1. Sanada 2. Oda (i used mounted teppo for a chance to hit 4x times) 3. Takeda 4. Eusugi They are worth to buy, as for the others 2 i dont have experience with them, and not that interested to buy so ๐ I believe ginchiyo would hit like a truck but i dont think i need more general on this game as this game is much more easier than ew7. And also some of purple general here are more stronger than some of gold one (unlike in the ew7) so i decide to stuck with 4 of them till the end of the game ๐คฃ๐คฃ Pair him with Shimazu Yoshihisa to get him to attack 5 times in a turn! Too bad he loses any offensive ability the next one...
Yukimura definitely seems like a complete battering ram especially if paired with his full set. He's essentially a magical massacre on his own. But so are all the others, I'm sure a well equipped Shingen, Kenshin, and especially the teppo generals can also deal massive amounts of damage.
All IAP generals have immense amounts of power. Nobunaga's three stage firing allows him to devastate whole groups of armies (although I'd argue that Masamune's AOE skill is slightly better at clearing). Shingen's active gives him uninterrupted speed and a massive damage boost, and it's aura too, which means Shingen works better with others. I kind of want to see how amazing it'll be to have a bunch of good generals together, use Shingen's active, and then just wreck havoc on everyone in conquest. Naotora's the best support general out there, able to quickly heal other more frontline units while passively healing herself, although F2P support himes such as Oichi and Okuni severely diminishes her utility. Kenshin's a crazy guy who's faith never wavers, keeping his morale high despite being surrounded and then using his AOE to slash them all down. Oh, and he has a 60% chance to attack again after finishing an attack. And of course, Yukimura is probably the best damage dealer as said before, and I've sang Ginchiyo's praises many times; she attacks twice in a turn without losing her next turn with the second being slightly more powerful, runs on a quicker cooldown than Nobunaga and her F2P counterparts Shigehide and Kazumasu, doesn't lose movement to mountain, and her skillset is amazing.
But on the flipside, F2P generals have lots of gems among them too. I believe Masamune's the best teppo general out there with his active and specialized unit being the mounted teppo, and Motonari's probably the best general we can ever have due to his active solely. And I'm saying this after being a silent doubter of Motonari until I used him! Shigehide essentially works as a free version of Ginchiyo/Nobunaga, he's definitely worse than both of them but the fact you don't have to spend real money on him means he's more accessible. Maeda Keiji and Ii Naomasa both are crazy horse guys who's outputs while maybe not equaling Yukimura can come pretty close, and Honda Tadakatsu and Shibata Katsuie are no slouches either. There also are no good IAP infantry and war gear generals, Nobutsuna and Yoshihiro for infantry and Ujiyasu and Sorin for war gear are all free (or as free as a gacha can get). The game gives so many good generals and a relatively easy time compared to other ET games that it's harder to justify paying here compared to let's say EW7.
Of course if you're a Sengoku nerd like me and have an idolization of all of these generals you can absolutely buy them all. I've basically turned into a broken record in this thread at this point.
Side note: I believe Hojo Ujiyasu is a better general than Otomo Sorin. It's the AOE attack, the movement, and the library chapter that does it for me.
Yukimura is menace on 1 vs 1 at 6 stars he can attack twice with massive dmg with Yoshihisa ability heโs attack 4 times per turn. |
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Post by pirate2020 on Feb 8, 2024 5:40:04 GMT
Which one should I choose? All of them are the best cav generals, but I couldn't buy all of them.    Thanks. |
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Post by ๐ต๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ on Feb 8, 2024 5:44:02 GMT
1. Uesugi for the battle pass
2. Sanada for general deployment and battlepass merit x2
3. Takeda for the general deployment
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 8, 2024 16:19:32 GMT
1. Uesugi for the battle pass 2. Sanada for general deployment and battlepass merit x2 3. Takeda for the general deployment Eh, the 2x battlepass merit benefit of Yukimura isn't that good, you'll gain lots of merit anyway just by playing the game for normal battlepass, and by doing the 60 challenge point conquests that are already recommended to complete for conquest battlepass. So the privilege for Yukimura and Shingen are essentially equal with Yukimura just giving you rewards that you'll get anyway a little faster.
pirate2020, to answer your question definitely get Kenshin, less so for the privilege of using him and more so to get all the battlepass goodies that he comes with. Hatamoto's a really good unit that you'll fall in love with if you haven't already by playing conquest. (Then again, all the cav units are pretty stellar.) If you still wish to buy another, my recommendation is actually Shingen, his library sweep's better than Yukimura's and his active Furinkazan is useful for conquest. And, he and Kenshin share a bond which is just a cherry on top of the cavalry sundae. But, Yukimura's still good, and as everyone says he's a one man army. If you want a general who can run off on his own and slaughter everyone (Shingen works better accompanied with others due to the nature of his active, but still works well alone) Yukimura might be the better choice. He still gives ban-kin in his sweep and he deals crazy amounts of damage when properly equipped and trained.
Basically, my totally unbiased opinion says get Ginchiyo get Kenshin and Shingen if you can, given the starting assumption you can't get all three cavalry generals.
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Post by kyokusanagi on Feb 11, 2024 22:17:23 GMT
uesugi with battlepass,
You will need alot of resources, so naturally he s the one, afterwards he is giving meteoric metal....
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Post by Takeda on Apr 27, 2024 0:36:24 GMT
Can someone rank best IAP general for now? Afterall there is some game update after several months.
Currently I already bought Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin, and they already 6 star for now. I wonder what general I should buy next
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Post by Airi Momoi on Apr 27, 2024 1:31:51 GMT
Can someone rank best IAP general for now? Afterall there is some game update after several months. Currently I already bought Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin, and they already 6 star for now. I wonder what general I should buy next Here's how I would rank them now with Oda Nobunaga's library chapters added: Uesugi Kenshin/Battlepass (still the best!) Oda Nobunaga Takeda Shingen Sanada Yukimura Tachibana Ginchiyo  Ii Naotora Nobunaga's new skin seems really good to me, and his library chapter takes away one of his biggest flaws on release, namely the lack of a library chapter. Thus I believe he's jumped up to second instead of below the cavalry generals. I'm still an ardent Ginchiyo fan, but I'll admit she's pretty weak in comparison to Nobunaga and Masamune, unlike Shingen and Yukimura who both are pretty much the cream of the crop for cavalry. If you're so inclined you can choose to hold off of Yukimura if you feel that three IAP cavalry gens are too much. For you with Shingen/Kenshin, I'll recommend Nobunaga. He's definitely reclaimed the spot for best teppo gen, he's crazy when on odzutsu handcannon, and he hits really hard with multiple hits in both of his skins. But in reality, they're all very good generals, and the initial analysis still holds pretty well. So get whatever you want! |
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