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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 18, 2024 0:24:04 GMT
It is actually interesting to note that a special unit of Gaelus is Heavy Infantry, not Legionary.  That makes him the best Roman Heavy Infantry Commander, and still holds the place for Pompey as Legionary Commander, but I have some reservations on prospects of new generals in the Epic war scenarios. It is interesting to try it out though. Not yet sure about special units of the two remaining generals. Caelus and Faustus are probably most useful in epic war. Faustus guarantees a place when we need 2 navy generals, and Caelus can serve as heavy armored Bato (since we won't give him morale item). Marcus won't get elite unit and Titus gets marksman. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 18, 2024 7:01:59 GMT
It is actually interesting to note that a special unit of Gaelus is Heavy Infantry, not Legionary. That makes him the best Roman Heavy Infantry Commander, and still holds the place for Pompey as Legionary Commander, but I have some reservations on prospects of new generals in the Epic war scenarios. It is interesting to try it out though. Not yet sure about special units of the two remaining generals. Caelus and Faustus are probably most useful in epic war. Faustus guarantees a place when we need 2 navy generals, and Caelus can serve as heavy armored Bato (since we won't give him morale item). Marcus won't get elite unit and Titus gets marksman. That's unfortunate. Obviously, Epic war is not a place for light cavalry and Marksmen. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 18, 2024 7:35:13 GMT
Caelus and Faustus are probably most useful in epic war. Faustus guarantees a place when we need 2 navy generals, and Caelus can serve as heavy armored Bato (since we won't give him morale item). Marcus won't get elite unit and Titus gets marksman. That's unfortunate. Obviously, Epic war is not a place for light cavalry and Marksmen. Is there a light cav general? |
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Post by stoic on Apr 18, 2024 9:23:43 GMT
That's unfortunate. Obviously, Epic war is not a place for light cavalry and Marksmen. Is there a light cav general? I thought Markus is, since you have said he doesn't get any elite unit... I probably will unlock him today or tomorrow... |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 18, 2024 11:19:45 GMT
Is there a light cav general? I thought Markus is, since you have said he doesn't get any elite unit... I probably will unlock him today or tomorrow... Marcus is Roman heavy cav. However since F2P players will build cavalry commander, Roman heavy cav's elite arm will be given to commander. That means Marcus will compete against generals with elite arm (Huo, Commius, Hasdrubal, etc.) with regular heavy cav. That's quite a disadvantage. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 18, 2024 11:56:44 GMT
I thought Markus is, since you have said he doesn't get any elite unit... I probably will unlock him today or tomorrow... Marcus is Roman heavy cav. However since F2P players will build cavalry commander, Roman heavy cav's elite arm will be given to commander. That means Marcus will compete against generals with elite arm (Huo, Commius, Hasdrubal, etc.) with regular heavy cav. That's quite a disadvantage. Right. But in case our Commander is an Archer he has a chance then. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Apr 18, 2024 13:29:24 GMT
I thought Markus is, since you have said he doesn't get any elite unit... I probably will unlock him today or tomorrow... Marcus is Roman heavy cav. However since F2P players will build cavalry commander, Roman heavy cav's elite arm will be given to commander. That means Marcus will compete against generals with elite arm (Huo, Commius, Hasdrubal, etc.) with regular heavy cav. That's quite a disadvantage. True, but there's a fairly large minority that advocates setting up Commander for javelineer. Having a viable alternative for Roman cavalry makes that position even a bit stronger (on the other hand, it handicaps Octavian, but that isn't anything new). |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Apr 19, 2024 2:25:56 GMT
Marcus is Roman heavy cav. However since F2P players will build cavalry commander, Roman heavy cav's elite arm will be given to commander. That means Marcus will compete against generals with elite arm (Huo, Commius, Hasdrubal, etc.) with regular heavy cav. That's quite a disadvantage. True, but there's a fairly large minority that advocates setting up Commander for javelineer. Having a viable alternative for Roman cavalry makes that position even a bit stronger (on the other hand, it handicaps Octavian, but that isn't anything new). That's why I explicitly mentioned F2P. IAP players will very likely have a cavalry IAP general, giving them the freedom to make their commander archer. Then Marcus will only have to compete with Antony. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 19, 2024 5:01:06 GMT
Markus is unlocked on day 5. I am curious whether it is possible to get all 4 of them within the first week...   |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 19, 2024 21:02:21 GMT
It is actually interesting to note that a special unit of Gaelus is Heavy Infantry, not Legionary. That makes him the best Roman Heavy Infantry Commander, and still holds the place for Pompey as Legionary Commander, but I have some reservations on prospects of new generals in the Epic war scenarios. It is interesting to try it out though. Not yet sure about special units of the two remaining generals. Seems like stoic is going for a javelin commander  It's a shame the free archer guy doesn't get Javelineers, otherwise he'd be an alternative to Octavian. I see only Gaelus being useful, he is fast and can hold a contested city; kind of what Bato used to do except for elite arm heavy infantry. The pure navy guy might have his moments but I doubt these justify investing into his skills and rank. And Marcus is a slightly better Antonius Antony.
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 5:16:16 GMT
It is actually interesting to note that a special unit of Gaelus is Heavy Infantry, not Legionary. That makes him the best Roman Heavy Infantry Commander, and still holds the place for Pompey as Legionary Commander, but I have some reservations on prospects of new generals in the Epic war scenarios. It is interesting to try it out though. Not yet sure about special units of the two remaining generals. Seems like stoic is going for a javelin commander It's a shame the free archer guy doesn't get Javelineers, otherwise he'd be an alternative to Octavian. I see only Gaelus being useful, he is fast and can hold a contested city; kind of what Bato used to do except for elite arm heavy infantry. The pure navy guy might have his moments but I doubt these justify investing into his skills and rank. And Marcus is a slightly better Antonius Antony.
Nah, I still think that cavalry is a better choice for our Commander . I recall there were quite a large number of missions when I used my Commander alone. Not sure if it is possible to do with an Archer. Though I admit it is a viable option too. And you are right, we have to invest in their rank to make them useful in the most toughest battles of the game. And to a certain extent it nullifies the fact that they are free. Plus their skills are at lvl 2 when we get them. RL generals mostly have lvl 3, sometimes even 4. On a positive side we can get all 4 of them quite early unlocking arena and using them in campaigns. So, yes, Gaelus - for the endgame, Marcus - if our Commander is an Archer. Faustus - on rare occasions. Titus - hardly anywhere outside arena. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 6:03:23 GMT
Oh, yes, there is another drawback as well. All new generals have only 4 ranks in the Way of Honor  That means that Marcus, for example, could have only 4 buffs in comparison to Anthony's 6. Besides his overall attack is lower. He still has Guerilla instead of Anthony's useless skill, but they are very close when we choose between them... |
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Post by Airi Momoi on Apr 20, 2024 6:23:11 GMT
Oh, yes, there is another drawback as well. All new generals have only 4 ranks in the Way of Honor That means that Marcus, for example, could have only 4 buffs in comparison to Anthony's 6. Besides his overall attack is lower. He still has Guerilla instead of Anthony's useless skill, but they are very close when we choose between them... But Marcus is free while Antony isn't  |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 7:59:03 GMT
Oh, yes, there is another drawback as well. All new generals have only 4 ranks in the Way of Honor That means that Marcus, for example, could have only 4 buffs in comparison to Anthony's 6. Besides his overall attack is lower. He still has Guerilla instead of Anthony's useless skill, but they are very close when we choose between them... But Marcus is free while Antony isn't Well, in GCR it isn't that hard getting as many medals as you want, so a player has a luxury to ignore the cost. Besides, the rank of these two generals is different too. And you need to spend something like 400 medals to upgrade Marcus up to the rank of Anthony. It is possible, of course, to use Marcus as he is, but the limit of ranks are quite significant in GCR. He won't be able to command a full legion of 5 units, making him vulnerable in defense and not as efficient in attack as his rivals might be. So, it is not so simple and straightforward with these new "free" generals. Trojan horse was also a gift after all |
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Post by Airi Momoi on Apr 20, 2024 8:49:43 GMT
But Marcus is free while Antony isn't Well, in GCR it isn't that hard getting as many medals as you want, so a player has a luxury to ignore the cost. Besides, the rank of these two generals is different too. And you need to spend something like 400 medals to upgrade Marcus up to the rank of Anthony. It is possible, of course, to use Marcus as he is, but the limit of ranks are quite significant in GCR. He won't be able to command a full legion of 5 units, making him vulnerable in defense and not as efficient in attack as his rivals might be. So, it is not so simple and straightforward with these new "free" generals. Trojan horse was also a gift after all True, but it's still less than Antony, and for those who are building a cavalry commander they're probably not planning on using Marcus or Antony in the endgame. Before the really difficult stuff Marcus is entirely useable as a decent cavalry general even if he's not at his full potential (ie: without spending any medals), but to even use Antony you have to sink some medals in. Also I think each free general adds a general slot so you don't have to worry about them taking up too much space. So they really are no strings attached with the option of augmenting them if you so wish. |
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It's a shame the free archer guy doesn't get Javelineers, otherwise he'd be an alternative to Octavian.
