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Post by jonblend on Apr 20, 2024 10:39:10 GMT
Oh, yes, there is another drawback as well. All new generals have only 4 ranks in the Way of Honor  That means that Marcus, for example, could have only 4 buffs in comparison to Anthony's 6. Besides his overall attack is lower. He still has Guerilla instead of Anthony's useless skill, but they are very close when we choose between them... Oh well, I didn't consider this. Switching between siegecraft, defense in depth and holy dmg is a little annoying but the question is whether we want to give them so many badges in the first place.
Trojan horse is a fitting description for the free four/three, because every medal, badge, purple gem etc you give them could be invested into a general with more potential.
And, Airi Momoi, Antony is a fixed general in some of the more difficult Hero Legends, so he will be useful at one point (even if you just use him without upgrades and sell him afterwards). |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 10:51:52 GMT
Well, in GCR it isn't that hard getting as many medals as you want, so a player has a luxury to ignore the cost. Besides, the rank of these two generals is different too. And you need to spend something like 400 medals to upgrade Marcus up to the rank of Anthony. It is possible, of course, to use Marcus as he is, but the limit of ranks are quite significant in GCR. He won't be able to command a full legion of 5 units, making him vulnerable in defense and not as efficient in attack as his rivals might be. So, it is not so simple and straightforward with these new "free" generals. Trojan horse was also a gift after all  True, but it's still less than Antony, and for those who are building a cavalry commander they're probably not planning on using Marcus or Antony in the endgame. Before the really difficult stuff Marcus is entirely useable as a decent cavalry general even if he's not at his full potential (ie: without spending any medals), but to even use Antony you have to sink some medals in. Also I think each free general adds a general slot so you don't have to worry about them taking up too much space. So they really are no strings attached with the option of augmenting them if you so wish. I can't say they are bad. On the contrary, they have mostly good skills. It is just not entirely clear how to use them, especially in the long run. I restarted the game to test them and I am trying to be open-minded. But when compared to top tier historical generals they have one small disadvantage here, another small disadvantage there... And GCR, like chess, is a game of accumulating small advantages (not disadvantages) to convert them eventually in a strategic winning position. I presume we can't use them in Hero legends as pre-deployed generals. They are not very impressive for Epic war scenarios. In conquests the less generals you use - the higher the score you get. So, only campaigns and arena fights remain. The fact of the matter is, however, that both don't require a large number of generals to advance. |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 20, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
Anyways, for documentation, I present the not so fantastic four and their corresponding units:  |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 20, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
True, but it's still less than Antony, and for those who are building a cavalry commander they're probably not planning on using Marcus or Antony in the endgame. Before the really difficult stuff Marcus is entirely useable as a decent cavalry general even if he's not at his full potential (ie: without spending any medals), but to even use Antony you have to sink some medals in. Also I think each free general adds a general slot so you don't have to worry about them taking up too much space. So they really are no strings attached with the option of augmenting them if you so wish. I can't say they are bad. On the contrary, they have mostly good skills. It is just not entirely clear how to use them, especially in the long run. I restarted the game to test them and I am trying to be open-minded. But when compared to top tier historical generals they have one small disadvantage here, another small disadvantage there... And GCR, like chess, is a game of accumulating small advantages (not disadvantages) to convert them eventually in a strategic winning position. I presume we can't use them in Hero legends as pre-deployed generals. They are not very impressive for Epic war scenarios. In conquests the less generals you use - the higher the score you get. So, only campaigns and arena fights remain. The fact of the matter is, however, that both don't require a large number of generals to advance. Only scenarios I could think of are decisive battles where having more mid tier generals (like Commius, Crassus, Cleopatra) can compensate bad AI behavior and they replace Pacorus as stepping stone  |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 11:30:07 GMT
I can't say they are bad. On the contrary, they have mostly good skills. It is just not entirely clear how to use them, especially in the long run. I restarted the game to test them and I am trying to be open-minded. But when compared to top tier historical generals they have one small disadvantage here, another small disadvantage there... And GCR, like chess, is a game of accumulating small advantages (not disadvantages) to convert them eventually in a strategic winning position. I presume we can't use them in Hero legends as pre-deployed generals. They are not very impressive for Epic war scenarios. In conquests the less generals you use - the higher the score you get. So, only campaigns and arena fights remain. The fact of the matter is, however, that both don't require a large number of generals to advance. Only scenarios I could think of are decisive battles where having more mid tier generals (like Commius, Crassus, Cleopatra) can compensate bad AI behavior and they replace Pacorus as stepping stone In theory... In practice I have found that purchasing Pacorus is convenient anyway  |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Apr 20, 2024 13:45:12 GMT
Only scenarios I could think of are decisive battles where having more mid tier generals (like Commius, Crassus, Cleopatra) can compensate bad AI behavior and they replace Pacorus as stepping stone In theory... In practice I have found that purchasing Pacorus is convenient anyway Yeah, I don't get this "replacing Pacorus" thing. Pacorus is still cheap and capable even into late game. The first general you get is Caelus, who I personally think is the best of the lot but is also Infantry. You have to progress pretty far to get Marcus and you'll find Pacorus useful before then, and replacing him gains very little anyway. What the new generals do mean is that you can postpone getting Pompey for a while, and completely skip Agrippa and Cleopatra. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 14:10:08 GMT
In theory... In practice I have found that purchasing Pacorus is convenient anyway Yeah, I don't get this "replacing Pacorus" thing. Pacorus is still cheap and capable even into late game. The first general you get is Caelus, who I personally think is the best of the lot but is also Infantry. You have to progress pretty far to get Marcus and you'll find Pacorus useful before then, and replacing him gains very little anyway. What the new generals do mean is that you can postpone getting Pompey for a while, and completely skip Agrippa and Cleopatra. Interesting is that we purchase Pacorus for 98 medals and it is possible to sell him for 93 medals anytime you like. I think that Pacorus it completely worth 5 medals we lose in the process  |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Apr 20, 2024 17:21:32 GMT
Yeah, I don't get this "replacing Pacorus" thing. Pacorus is still cheap and capable even into late game. The first general you get is Caelus, who I personally think is the best of the lot but is also Infantry. You have to progress pretty far to get Marcus and you'll find Pacorus useful before then, and replacing him gains very little anyway. What the new generals do mean is that you can postpone getting Pompey for a while, and completely skip Agrippa and Cleopatra. Interesting is that we purchase Pacorus for 98 medals and it is possible to sell him for 93 medals anytime you like. I think that Pacorus it completely worth 5 medals we lose in the process I don't even sell him. He's a handy backup for DBs for quite a while (although with elite armor available now that's a bit less important) and he still has a spot in my arena lineup. Admittedly Marcus might change that, but by the time you really don't have any use for him 93 medals is peanuts anyway. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 20, 2024 18:19:23 GMT
Meantime I unlocked the last one. So, it is definitely possible to collect all of them before the first week runs out.    As it was pointed out other rewards are noteworthy too. It is quite annoying to send generals on missions every hour or so, but no-one forces us to do so All in all, quite a pleasant gift to the players but, definitely, some new content would be more appreciated. We still don't have hard mode campaigns, just in case ET have forgotten about it The release of these 4 generals is (probably) a sign that ET haven't abandoned GCR completely. |
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Post by Airi Momoi on Apr 21, 2024 14:46:47 GMT
Honestly I'm glad they haven't abandoned this game and I'm glad that none of the generic units can really fully replace the historical generals. I've definitely gotten attached to the historical personas and it's a little harder to connect with four generic guys who look just like your commander. I've definitely mixed up Faustus and Caelus in arena because the plume color is harder to parse out with icons that small.
But the fact that Antony, Pacorus, and others all still has a place warms my heart... wait, we're still replacing Agrippa/Cleo?
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Post by jonblend on Apr 21, 2024 17:47:05 GMT
Meantime I unlocked the last one. So, it is definitely possible to collect all of them before the first week runs out. As it was pointed out other rewards are noteworthy too. It is quite annoying to send generals on missions every hour or so, but no-one forces us to do so All in all, quite a pleasant gift to the players but, definitely, some new content would be more appreciated. We still don't have hard mode campaigns, just in case ET have forgotten about it The release of these 4 generals is (probably) a sign that ET haven't abandoned GCR completely. In the opening post, which nobunaga forwarded from one of ET's soicial media, it says that this was only a pre-patch to the anniversary update. So we can expect something in the near future.. |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 21, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
Honestly I'm glad they haven't abandoned this game and I'm glad that none of the generic units can really fully replace the historical generals. I've definitely gotten attached to the historical personas and it's a little harder to connect with four generic guys who look just like your commander. I've definitely mixed up Faustus and Caelus in arena because the plume color is harder to parse out with icons that small. But the fact that Antony, Pacorus, and others all still has a place warms my heart... wait, we're still replacing Agrippa/Cleo? Yes that's a good thing, make it easier for new players to catch up but without upsetting the meta. And old accounts still get something out if it, namely more manpower to send on senate missions (since our top six our now constantly on invasion duty) as well as two additional items for the team and various other resources. |
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Post by jonblend on Apr 21, 2024 18:04:09 GMT
In theory... In practice I have found that purchasing Pacorus is convenient anyway Yeah, I don't get this "replacing Pacorus" thing. Pacorus is still cheap and capable even into late game. The first general you get is Caelus, who I personally think is the best of the lot but is also Infantry. You have to progress pretty far to get Marcus and you'll find Pacorus useful before then, and replacing him gains very little anyway. What the new generals do mean is that you can postpone getting Pompey for a while, and completely skip Agrippa and Cleopatra. By "replace Pacorus as stepping stone" I mean that phase between having only our commander and purchasing our first high quality general (Pompey, Mithridates or Belisarius). If a player thinks that he needs some help to overcome difficulty or boredom or whatever else, Pacorus was the go-to recommendation.
Having access to Caelus bridges that gap (and effectively eliminates Pompey from the pool of first choices). But this doesn't mean that you can still get him for the reasons you and stoic pointed out. |
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Post by stoic on Apr 22, 2024 4:50:50 GMT
Meantime I unlocked the last one. So, it is definitely possible to collect all of them before the first week runs out. As it was pointed out other rewards are noteworthy too. It is quite annoying to send generals on missions every hour or so, but no-one forces us to do so All in all, quite a pleasant gift to the players but, definitely, some new content would be more appreciated. We still don't have hard mode campaigns, just in case ET have forgotten about it The release of these 4 generals is (probably) a sign that ET haven't abandoned GCR completely. In the opening post, which nobunaga forwarded from one of ET's soicial media, it says that this was only a pre-patch to the anniversary update. So we can expect something in the near future.. I hope you right... GCR is quite a large game, with different modes and scenarios, yet I always had a feeling that they abandoned it quite abruptly. It still has some potential... |
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Post by Navia Lanoira on Apr 22, 2024 18:49:11 GMT
In the opening post, which nobunaga forwarded from one of ET's soicial media, it says that this was only a pre-patch to the anniversary update. So we can expect something in the near future.. I hope you right... GCR is quite a large game, with different modes and scenarios, yet I always had a feeling that they abandoned it quite abruptly. It still has some potential... ah, very right. still wonder after years why they skipped like 4-5 centuries of crazy roman typical mindset content (gain land - death - civil war - lose land - repeat) |
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