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Post by sugarman on Jun 3, 2024 2:47:56 GMT
This is my last incomplete. I can break through the Soviet 3rd and 4th Army groups, looping up to Leningrad in maybe 13 moves. But all my allies collapse. Manstein is lost by turn 6. Rundstedt collapses by turn 9.
Has anyone completed this? If so, how did you do it?
Thanks in advance
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 3, 2024 11:20:55 GMT
Oddly enough, I still haven't finished a single run of 1944 yet. Nevertheless, while your German allies delay the Allies, I think knocking out the middle Soviet group is important.
Assuming Romania + Bulgaria + Hungary can hold the southernmost Soviet group, you need to save Manstein.
Probably try to paratroop someone into Italy if possible. Then, march up the Allied rear from the south.
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Post by sugarman on Jun 3, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
Thanks Nobunaga Oda , but Slovakia is horribly landlocked. Italy is too far away for a para drop, and tbh they hold their own. Later game it would be good to push up from the south I agree, but I can't get past 13-14 yet! I have tried taking Lviv and building heavy tanks with Rommel and Monty, plus Patton on my existing tank, and Gavorov on a 2 stack heavy artillery. No dice. I tried leaving Lviv and taking the factory SE and pushing on with tanks. But there are two heavy tanks with double stack in the region, one without a general! No dice. I can't get enough money together to build two armies before Soviet#2 takes Poznan. Even if ı leave Lviv for Manstein, the dude does not reinforce!!! Just kills himself off in 6-7 turns. I tried shadowing him as in the historical campaign, and not taking Group D territory, but then run into 2-3 Soviet 3 & 4 full armies. Everything else I have done. Even Greece in Africa and Central France in 44 was easier than this. Even Belgium in 39 is easier!!!
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Post by gamer007 on Jun 5, 2024 8:52:40 GMT
sugarman, put Arnold in the Bratislava airport with yamashita or macarthur should be able to land in venice or somewhere there in north Italy(if I'm not mistaken it is upgraded so it is possible)
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Post by sugarman on Jun 5, 2024 13:14:15 GMT
Thanks gamer007 , but that is for Eastern Front 1941. I have scored 40k+ for Slovakia in 41. In 1944, Bratislava has no airport. No way to hop over Army Group C. Again, that does not relieve the pressure on Army Group D from 3 soviet armies
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 8, 2024 12:37:43 GMT
Build your troops into one group of 6 and reinforce the inf units, especially the commander. Immediately move eastward. Here, there were two choices: attack towards Iasi or retake Brest.
I took over Brest, gave it up to Rokossovsky while Group D weakened him. When he moved into Brest, I Forced March into Pinsk. My allies were in position to attack Iasi and hold the SE, so I moved towards Lublin-Brest.
Next, I rebuilt my troops in Pinsk. Since Minsk was weak, I attacked. At the same time, I built a 2nd force in case Brest was open. My allies destroyed most of the Soviets around and within Brest, but there was a KV-6 with some tanks left which my 2nd force failed to destroy.
As Bryansk was open or weak, I sent the commander with a tank via a Forced March. Keep building a force in Minsk against Vilnius and Vitebus. The focus is to march the highest number of units found by spamming 2× inf.
From Bryansk => Kursk => Kharkiv and/or Bryansk => Kharkiv and/or Bryansk => Kiev. At this point, you may unlock airlift. Use it wisely. At Kiev, build against Uman unless it's open and tenable. In the latter case, capture. AI Manstein was cut off when I marched past Lviv and it was captured (then recaptured with Hungarian help). He helped to destroy many Soviet 4th Army Group troops.
Kharkiv => Zaporizhia by airlift or overland march. Hold it. Using a Forced March, Bryansk => open Moscow. Group D smashed the 1st and 2nd Soviet Groups. Build in Bryansk, then, attack Smolensk. Build in Smolensk, then, take Toropets, abandoning Smolensk (enemy force at Vitebsk).
Group D weakened Vilnius and cleared Naunas to Riga. Seeing as Vilnius was weak and the nearby 2× arty was incapable, a small Minsk force attacked Vilnius.
Italians retook Rome but lost all of northern Italy. Two 1× inf prepared to take Zagreb to hold the Americans.
That's where I stopped.
By turn 20, the Soviets should be knocked out and you should prepare to save D and C from the Allies. I gobbled up Istanbul, and wanted to eat weakened Bulgaria. Forgot that declaring in an ally means all allies turn on you. Since it's not me against the world, I'd either quit or fight until I win.
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Post by sugarman on Jun 14, 2024 11:25:22 GMT
Nobunaga Oda, many, many thanks. Will give it a go. Had built up to 6 units, but then moved east. Will try your suggestion. Wittmann is available in the store right now, so very tempted to get him... thanks again
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Post by sugarman on Jun 14, 2024 12:32:29 GMT
Headed north to take Brest. Manstein killed himself around turn 4, but broke a lot of the Soviet strength. Then took Minsk. I have Kiev (airlift) as well by turn 9 and the factory SE of Lviv. Soviet 1 & 2 neutralised by turn 16, all generals deployed (Guderian, Rommel, Patton, Monty, Leeb, Vatutin, MacArthur) and on the Balkan axis. Soviet 3 breakthrough contained by Hungary, German B & C still in the game. Made it to Thessaloniki by 22, and German D is moving, but C is collapsing. Need to kick the British 2nd out of the Balkans, then move the French and US 2 out of Italy.
Won't be a speed run, but as long as German D holds, should make it.
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Post by sugarman on Jun 16, 2024 10:11:55 GMT
Nobunaga Oda, gamer007,Finally cleared it by turn 65. 49560 at S level overall. Certainly not a speed run lol. Thanks Nobunaga Oda, for the advice to head north through Brest. That gave Manstein time to die, but also take out two soviet armies and punch a gap for me. Held Brest, then moved to Zaporizhia and held that, picking up Kiev and then swung up to Moscow and took it with an infantry unit. Left Leningrad for German D - allows them to build an economy. Then swung back down through Greece, and then cleeaned the Balkans, moving across to Venice and Taranto. Constantly have to pump D with money - must have given them around 8000 in total. Broke out of Bratislava, leaving space for the Hungarians, while targetting cities through Italy. Also major airlifted to Crete, then Donitz on a sub to help out. Took southern France, then swung up while pushing NW from Munich (C had collapsed). Used empty French territories as a buffer from the Americans while I hollowed the US eonomy by taking over France. Airdropped into Sicily, and then jumped across to Tunis with Rommel. Pushed west and south along the coast, folloiwng up with a landng in Tobruk. Got to Brussels, main airlift across to London. D were moving up through Denmark, and Hungarians through Belgium/Holland, then into north sea. Built a new sub in Bordeaux and swapped Donitz across, clearing UK navy units. Main airlift across from Liverpool (?) to Belfast and forced march to take most of Ireland while pushing into SCotland. Folllowed the same route whe playing Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania - all exceeded 45000. Thanks again Nobunaga Oda, for the assist - this was driving me nuts
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