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Post by augustus63 on Jun 30, 2024 12:02:09 GMT
I’m an F2P player and I’m in a need for a good ranged general and I looked at two options subutai and baibars ( I already have timur).I saw that subutai has a better active skills but I won’t get his unique weapon anywhere near the future and if I buy baibars I can do his hero legend and put him on his unique unit.So which one should I buy?
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 1, 2024 11:44:29 GMT
I don't think too highly of Baibars, epecially because levelling Timur's unit should give the same effect as Baibar's active, minus the extra dmg.
As other players do mention, Baibars comes with a HL and the corresponding rewards. IIRC, Subutai's weapon is in Honor of Quest or Soldier, right? I can argue that getting Baibars makes it easier to get Subutai.
Timur should be able to hold the fort until Subutai's weapon is unlocked. Heck, El Cid and Narses can be ranged gens as well. Do you need another ranged gen right now?
Timur can still shred weak enemies with melee support. Narses and/or El Cid, among others. Healers Antonina and Eleanor of Aquitaine, or Theodora can provide some ranged support as well, even though they are much weaker.
Subutai can take an IAP ranged gen's equipment for the ranged points. It's just that he cannot activate his skill every turn. Unless you really need to keep that output, even an early Subutai can hit hard alongside Subutai.
All in all, I'm biased against Baibars, and believe that Timur or other earlier gens can hold the fort. However, Baibars still has value in getting Subutai's equipment.
Or, just get Subutai now and wait for his weapon to drop.
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Post by augustus63 on Jul 1, 2024 13:28:21 GMT
Nobunaga Oda,The thing is that I’m on level 23 and subutais weapon is unlocked at level 50 and his special unit won’t be unlocked for a long time + because of the login rewards I can get baibars special unit and upgrade it a few times and yeah I kind of need, a ranged since that’s the only area I’m lacking in,
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 1, 2024 16:46:48 GMT
Assuming you have good inf gens, you should have the option convert El Cid or use Narses as spares. Justinian + Theodora have a ranged edge as well.
Otherwise, beef up Timur and you should still do well. Or, give Subutai someone's weapon and he can still use his AOE. Is there a reason to hesitate with buying Subutai? Even without his equipment, he should still do well.
Since you believe you can get Baibars' weapon, go ahead. You'll be the first here to try for him on the road to Subutai. We're not very sure of how much value he'd give since he's just a recent addition.
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Post by augustus63 on Jul 1, 2024 17:54:31 GMT
Nobunaga Oda,Will subutai perform better than baibars with someone’s else weapon? If then I will definitely buy subutai
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 1, 2024 19:00:57 GMT
Nobunaga Oda,Will subutai perform better than baibars with someone’s else weapon? If then I will definitely buy subutai Subutai can deal around 100-600+ dmg per person (1 main target + 2 adjacent to the target) using his skill when he is optimised well (close to 200 ranged points, not sure if there's a minimum). This ignores Dodge and, more importantly, dmg reducing skills like Iron Wall (or Su Dingfang's skin's active). That's from the best use of his active. You could give him Charles Martel'a Guardian (I didn't even buy him) or Attila's Bow of Attila. Both improve the user's ranged points, which is necessary for Subutai's active. Think of Subutai as a gen that does damage over time (exaggerated) and ignores defensive buffs (except for skill points). Of course, you MUST invest in Subutai, even of you don't have his weapon, to make good use. Meanwhile, Baibars ignores Dodge and deal a strong blow to one enemy every few turns, but could be hindered by Iron Wall. Note: I don't have Baibars' weapon yet (still planning how to beat Diaster at Mari stage 2) and I almost never use him. Also, I am very biased in favour of Subutai + Murad because of their actives.
Additionally, this still assumes that you need to buy a pure ranged gen. Hybrids or hybrids converted to specialise in ranged troops can still perform. Even non-combat gens, with a slight peak in ranged points, can do the job with the right equipment.
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Post by jonblend on Jul 3, 2024 18:53:06 GMT
Nobunaga Oda ,The thing is that I’m on level 23 and subutais weapon is unlocked at level 50 and his special unit won’t be unlocked for a long time + because of the login rewards I can get baibars special unit and upgrade it a few times and yeah I kind of need, a ranged since that’s the only area I’m lacking in, You'll be getting both generals eventually, so going for Baibars first is no problem. Subutai without weapon and without Mongolian raiders is weaker than El Cid and probably similar to Giovanni.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 3, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
Nobunaga Oda ,The thing is that I’m on level 23 and subutais weapon is unlocked at level 50 and his special unit won’t be unlocked for a long time + because of the login rewards I can get baibars special unit and upgrade it a few times and yeah I kind of need, a ranged since that’s the only area I’m lacking in, You'll be getting both generals eventually, so going for Baibars first is no problem. Subutai without weapon and without Mongolian raiders is weaker than El Cid and probably similar to Giovanni. Now that I'm playing Baibars' HL, I seriously doubt that a player at midgame could clear it on Normal. I base the assumption of being at midgame / late early game on the Honor of Soldier (?) (the one for Subutai's equipment) level. I'll try Annex Antioch 2 again, but I think that without all Talent (Formation isn't unlocked until near the end of Normal mode, apparently), highly specialised gens, and Drum spam, it's not possible for a F2P player at midgame. I'm running with my gens that beat Normal mode without Drums and Talent, and they aren't doing so well.
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Post by stoic on Jul 13, 2024 15:24:27 GMT
I am trying to complete it on normal with a very mid-game team (no talents and mostly lvl 10-12 units). Halfway through. One thing is certain: Timur is still N1 general for f2p players. But after that I would vote for Subutai. I am still quite far from unlocking his weapon but most of the time he is my second option after Timur. Then Murad and Basil/Knut/Bob.
Perhaps it is possible to unlock Baibars' weapon with a mid-game team, but I am a bit disappointed about his abilities, so there's no point in going an extra mile to complete his chapter. A ranged general without Ranged Tactician and Master shooter. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems we have a weaker version of Manuel. And Manuel's weapon is definitely a mid-game item...
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Post by nexttimebro on Jul 29, 2024 18:03:10 GMT
I am trying to complete it on normal with a very mid-game team (no talents and mostly lvl 10-12 units). Halfway through. One thing is certain: Timur is still N1 general for f2p players. But after that I would vote for Subutai. I am still quite far from unlocking his weapon but most of the time he is my second option after Timur. Then Murad and Basil/Knut/Bob. Perhaps it is possible to unlock Baibars' weapon with a mid-game team, but I am a bit disappointed about his abilities, so there's no point in going an extra mile to complete his chapter. A ranged general without Ranged Tactician and Master shooter. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems we have a weaker version of Manuel. And Manuel's weapon is definitely a mid-game item... firearms expert + Rapid March + Tactic Master are better than Ranged Tactician or Master Shooter.
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Post by stoic on Aug 5, 2024 6:26:18 GMT
I am trying to complete it on normal with a very mid-game team (no talents and mostly lvl 10-12 units). Halfway through. One thing is certain: Timur is still N1 general for f2p players. But after that I would vote for Subutai. I am still quite far from unlocking his weapon but most of the time he is my second option after Timur. Then Murad and Basil/Knut/Bob. Perhaps it is possible to unlock Baibars' weapon with a mid-game team, but I am a bit disappointed about his abilities, so there's no point in going an extra mile to complete his chapter. A ranged general without Ranged Tactician and Master shooter. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems we have a weaker version of Manuel. And Manuel's weapon is definitely a mid-game item... firearms expert + Rapid March + Tactic Master are better than Ranged Tactician or Master Shooter. How would you rate his special unit in comparison to the Dragoons. Dragoons have one of the best skills after upgrading their talents, but MMC have two skills with a legion effect in comparison (Parthian shot and Quick reloading). It is very difficult to evaluate these skills though without actually using them on practice. Do they compensate Swift Flexibility of the Dragoons?
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Post by nexttimebro on Aug 5, 2024 13:43:35 GMT
firearms expert + Rapid March + Tactic Master are better than Ranged Tactician or Master Shooter. How would you rate his special unit in comparison to the Dragoons. Dragoons have one of the best skills after upgrading their talents, but MMC have two skills with a legion effect in comparison (Parthian shot and Quick reloading). It is very difficult to evaluate these skills though without actually using them on practice. Do they compensate Swift Flexibility of the Dragoons? MMC + MR + Dragoons with single line formations is the most powerful (dealing the highest damage) combination in the game right now.
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Post by maramel on Oct 22, 2024 21:41:20 GMT
I am trying to complete it on normal with a very mid-game team (no talents and mostly lvl 10-12 units). Halfway through. I'm really curious to pass this HL. with lvl 14 MMC, lvl 12 Noble Cav, LVL 12 IBC , well trained gens I'm stack at stage 2-2 at normal dif. those gens in cities recieves only 150-200 damage per attack, doing 600-800 damage to mine. any secret? what I'm doing wrong.
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