Ser Jamie Lannister
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Post by Ser Jamie Lannister on Jul 20, 2024 11:43:39 GMT
I plan to buy odzutsu handcannon special unit, and I should find a general to put then onto. I have Suzuki on shield teppo, Date on mounted Teppo already. Who do you think is the right choice for this unit?
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Post by SolidLight on Jul 20, 2024 12:07:36 GMT
Just don’t and spend that 2150 ban-kin on something else. You shouldn’t need it for Tenkabito and Campaign and the only clan you should ever use it as in Conquest is Hojo, just because they’re the only clan that can spawn it in via a tactic and all their other tactics suck.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Jul 20, 2024 12:08:43 GMT
Well, the obvious choice for odzutsu is Oda Nobunaga himself, more specifically Devil King Nobunaga (but his default skin works too)  If you don't have him, my suggestion would actually be Yoshihisa. I think odzutsu's main selling point is increasing damage on units it attacked, and Yoshihisa's active lets him attack twice. This also makes Ginchiyo a decent alternative too. If you don't have either Nobunaga and Ginchiyo and you don't want to move Tanegashima teppo off of Yoshihisa, then I would place odzutsu on Mitsuhide. You probably won't miss rain covering on him anyway. Edit: SolidLight is very right though - the ban-kin is better spent elsewhere. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jul 20, 2024 12:29:54 GMT
If you don't have Nobunaga then don't waste your ban-kin, it's expensive and not that good.
Suzuki is far better on tanegashima teppo than on shield teppo.
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Post by SolidLight on Jul 20, 2024 16:12:46 GMT
I don’t even think you should get it even if you do have Nobunaga. Maaaybe if you have Ginchiyo, but probably not.
Nobunaga could just as well use the Tanegashima Teppo. If you do that it actually becomes vastly more useful overall since that combo is very well worth spawning into Campaign. And you don’t NEED to have Yoshihisa or Shigehide on that at all in Tenkabito. You could just give them Teppo Samurai or Ashigaru if you’re really running short on units to hand out.
And in Conquest the Handcannon totally sucks. It costs a ludicrous 32 knowledge and 160 food per stack and it’s nowhere near better enough relative to the cheap alternative (Teppo Ashigaru). Look at a unit like the Elite Cav, that one is vastly superior to cavalry brigade thanks to Long-Distance Raid. THOSE are the units you want to spawn.
To add insult to injury, you can’t efficiently obtain fuses like you can with flags and arrows unless you have Ginchiyo, so it really isn’t good to upgrade a unit that becomes completely useless once you’re done with Tenkabito and the only clan who can use it in Conquest.
So basically in one area of the game it’s more or less unecessary, and in the other (and bigger) one it just sucks. And you really can’t afford to upgrade it to boot.
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Post by Clausewitz on Jul 20, 2024 20:52:41 GMT
I don’t even think you should get it even if you do have Nobunaga. Maaaybe if you have Ginchiyo, but probably not. Nobunaga could just as well use the Tanegashima Teppo. If you do that it actually becomes vastly more useful overall since that combo is very well worth spawning into Campaign. And you don’t NEED to have Yoshihisa or Shigehide on that at all in Tenkabito. You could just give them Teppo Samurai or Ashigaru if you’re really running short on units to hand out. And in Conquest the Handcannon totally sucks. It costs a ludicrous 32 knowledge and 160 food per stack and it’s nowhere near better enough relative to the cheap alternative (Teppo Ashigaru). Look at a unit like the Elite Cav, that one is vastly superior to cavalry brigade thanks to Long-Distance Raid. THOSE are the units you want to spawn. To add insult to injury, you can’t efficiently obtain fuses like you can with flags and arrows unless you have Ginchiyo, so it really isn’t good to upgrade a unit that becomes completely useless once you’re done with Tenkabito and the only clan who can use it in Conquest. So basically in one area of the game it’s more or less unecessary, and in the other (and bigger) one it just sucks. And you really can’t afford to upgrade it to boot. I use them on Oda Nobunaga. But if you are f2p then I would also say Aekchi or maybe Takigawa. |
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Post by jonblend on Jul 22, 2024 21:18:30 GMT
I like the debuff it applies and I'm pretty sure that having this unit on my team helped a lot in defeating the double ninjas in Oki Island. But I'll agree, it should only be bought in late game and when the next ~35 magatama pulls don't yield a better result.
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Post by John Marston on Jul 29, 2024 18:16:25 GMT
I don't know, I mean I like Odzutsu Handcannon. The damage dealt is insane. I gave it to Suzuki along with Nobunaga's armor set (Don't have any IAP generals) and he deals very good damage with an insane crit rate. I've relied on him to scrape through many missions (Invasion of Kyushu flashback) and he almost always delivers. Also, I don't think earning ban-kin is an issue by now. At max castle level, you get 65 in missions, 50 in sweeps per day (though I would say that's not the best way to use sweeps).
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Post by jonblend on Jul 31, 2024 16:10:18 GMT
I don't know, I mean I like Odzutsu Handcannon. The damage dealt is insane. I gave it to Suzuki along with Nobunaga's armor set (Don't have any IAP generals) and he deals very good damage with an insane crit rate. I've relied on him to scrape through many missions (Invasion of Kyushu flashback) and he almost always delivers. Also, I don't think earning ban-kin is an issue by now. At max castle level, you get 65 in missions, 50 in sweeps per day (though I would say that's not the best way to use sweeps). You're right, that's probably the best combination for foot teppo. Odzutsu handcannon specializes in killing tough opponents through high damage (64-99 atk at lv18, shooting lv3 and firearm lv3) as well as applying shock assault lv2 (which makes the target receive 15% extra dmg) for the rest of the team.
Akechi ideally uses his active first to trigger high morale, but then we can't make use of the debuff on that first hit. Kazumasu can't apply the debuff when he has to pass a turn after using his active. This only leaves Shigehide who has the least problems with attacking first and then using the ability thanks to his guerrilla skill and his active is also best suited to compensate the low mobility of Odzutsu handcannon.
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