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Post by doiharakenji on Aug 15, 2024 12:59:27 GMT
Now I don't know for sure, but if the overall pattern is constant then with each following rank you'd have to spend +5 Medals and +100 Ban-Kin. Meaning that in order to upgrade just one general to Taishogun rank, you'd have to spend 6500 Ban-Kin and 325 Medals. Which is ridiculously expensive and slow.
You can't really spend medals elsewhere, but Ban-Kin is whole nother story, where at the same cost you'd be able to purchase roughly 100 Magatama or farm 650 Iron Ingots. That transfers into gear upgrades, broken blades and of course general's rank upgrades.
So unless you have all the generals and gear maxed out and just don't know where to waste Ban-kin, you probably shouldn't upgrade Military Ranks.
P.S.: If someone has advanced further upgrading Military Rank I'd appreciate accurate data on how much does it actually cost and wether I'm wrong in my predictions or not.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Aug 15, 2024 14:14:40 GMT
So far, the only place where we get the other material is through daily invasions and Challenge Conquest runs (the 2nd according to ET's FB page by other players).
Worst-case scenario would be that it's a repeat of a situation in EW7 when we had new item to farm and we don't get it from existing clears. Thus, players had to run remaining ones or old ones again. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 15, 2024 21:08:55 GMT
It might be worth doing a little on Masamune since the better generals gets used more and he’s the best general in the game, and he’s got several abilities that gets amplified by extra damage, like Maneuvering and Disorderly strikes.
I’m at the stage where doing this would make sense. What’s absurd (so far) is how to GET medals. You get 8 a day from a serious fight and between like 5-8 or so from doing a challenge conquest in World Unification. I could buy it in the shop, but that’s horribly expensive too.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Aug 23, 2024 1:39:16 GMT
It requires a lot of ban-kin, 6500 ban-kin gives you 10 rolls of the gacha alone. Plus the tediousness in farming medals which most likely you'll get by doing those big invasion things or doing challenge conquests in World Unification. The initial investment levels give quite minor buffs to their cost, and while it does get better it still is quite too expensive for my taste.
Even in the endgame I'd rather get warrior monk teppo for the funny instead of maxing out a general, but that's just my silly opinion which is entirely suboptimal. My opinion is: military ranks are not worth it, although maybe once you got your main team you'll begin investing in them wholesale.
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 25, 2024 18:34:41 GMT
 So your guess is right. It always increases by +5 medals and +100 ban kin per rank. This is extremely expensive… BUT! I don’t know if this REALLY isn’t worth it. From a bit of testing I’m pretty certain that ALOT of things in this game stacks multiplicatively (unlike some other games). I mean, Masamune here already has a ton of extra damage bonuses on him here and yet Shukuro -> Daimyo still grants me roughly 10% extra damage, a little less, but still way more than I’d expect. Though I won’t bother punching in the numbers to confirm whether or not it is.   So collectively it could be pretty huge, especially on your best generals. I’m getting Masamune to Taishogun for sure. With Kuragiri Kagehide (which I have), he’ll do like 600 with crits with his AoE on a 50% crit. And then I’ll stack on extra morale and damage from Sennari Byotan to do even more. And then the next update is going to finally let him have Lv. 3 Maneuvering at all times. Basically, my Date Masamune is going to ascend to godhood. |
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Post by Dannes on Aug 25, 2024 20:08:35 GMT
"So who should we make the best in game general?"
"How about one of the three Great Unifiers?"
"Or how about... This guy, he's nicknamed One Eyed Drago-"
"Say no more"
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Post by SolidLight on Aug 31, 2024 22:21:59 GMT
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Post by stoic on Sept 1, 2024 3:51:42 GMT
   I proclaim the birth of the Date Shogunate. Nobody can stand up to this! I am curious whether we can upgrade these skills of units in the future or not. I believe we can since we have green, blue, purple, gold generals and it is reasonable to assume that the level of the skills is the same: green, blue, purple and... gold. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Sept 1, 2024 4:44:09 GMT
I proclaim the birth of the Date Shogunate. Nobody can stand up to this! I am curious whether we can upgrade these skills of units in the future or not. I believe we can since we have green, blue, purple, gold generals and it is reasonable to assume that the level of the skills is the same: green, blue, purple and... gold. I don't think that logic holds when it comes to units. We haven't seen gold skills anywhere, we know they don't appear at level 20 and we know 20 is the max. And some skills are clearly maxed out at level 3,which doesn't make sense if there's another level to come. |
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Post by stoic on Sept 1, 2024 4:58:11 GMT
I am curious whether we can upgrade these skills of units in the future or not. I believe we can since we have green, blue, purple, gold generals and it is reasonable to assume that the level of the skills is the same: green, blue, purple and... gold. I don't think that logic holds when it comes to units. We haven't seen gold skills anywhere, we know they don't appear at level 20 and we know 20 is the max. And some skills are clearly maxed out at level 3,which doesn't make sense if there's another level to come. You may be right, especially taking into account that the game (at least its main content) is close to the end. |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 1, 2024 13:33:48 GMT
I mean, ET has thrown things into their games completely out from left field. Like, nobody here would have seen the Martial Arena, Invasions and Military Rank etc. coming before. Famous Clan was atleast something I'd deem reasonable to anticipate because the campaign is solely played from the perspective of the Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa and there're so many more interesting clans in Sengoku than just those. I bet they're going to have many more updates because of that since they've added one clan per update and there's atleast like 6 or so more that warrants one.
WC4 has gotten completely out of control and is basically unrecognizable from how it was when it first came out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them add ridiculous stuff into this one and then give you another way to upgrade your units and then letting you get Lv. 4 skills.
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Post by doiharakenji on Sept 1, 2024 15:32:20 GMT
I mean, ET has thrown things into their games completely out from left field. Like, nobody here would have seen the Martial Arena, Invasions and Military Rank etc. coming before. Famous Clan was atleast something I'd deem reasonable to anticipate because the campaign is solely played from the perspective of the Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa and there're so many more interesting clans in Sengoku than just those. I bet they're going to have many more updates because of that since they've added one clan per update and there's atleast like 6 or so more that warrants one. WC4 has gotten completely out of control and is basically unrecognizable from how it was when it first came out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them add ridiculous stuff into this one and then give you another way to upgrade your units and then letting you get Lv. 4 skills. They aren't that ridiculous, I've seen simuilar stuff in other games. But what bugs about these ranks is that "+15% damge to troop with 100% health" upgrade is seamingly usless. Especially if you consider upgrading multiple generals. It doesn't make much sense since it works only for the first attack only for one general. |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 1, 2024 17:03:06 GMT
I mean, ET has thrown things into their games completely out from left field. Like, nobody here would have seen the Martial Arena, Invasions and Military Rank etc. coming before. Famous Clan was atleast something I'd deem reasonable to anticipate because the campaign is solely played from the perspective of the Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa and there're so many more interesting clans in Sengoku than just those. I bet they're going to have many more updates because of that since they've added one clan per update and there's atleast like 6 or so more that warrants one. WC4 has gotten completely out of control and is basically unrecognizable from how it was when it first came out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them add ridiculous stuff into this one and then give you another way to upgrade your units and then letting you get Lv. 4 skills. They aren't that ridiculous, I've seen simuilar stuff in other games. But what bugs about these ranks is that "+15% damge to troop with 100% health" upgrade is seamingly usless. Especially if you consider upgrading multiple generals. It doesn't make much sense since it works only for the first attack only for one general. I meant ridiculous in ridiculously bloated. WC4 has like four different campaigns at this point. That's boost is good in conquest since the enemy HP is much lower and you have to cover way more ground. The actually ridiculous upgrade is the one Kaihime / Toyotomi Hideyoshi (but not his other skins for some reason) and a couple others I don't remember has. Taishogun makes them heal 1 HP when they'd die, once a battle/conquest. 1HP. One. Hit. Point. That is comical. |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Sept 1, 2024 20:01:07 GMT
They aren't that ridiculous, I've seen simuilar stuff in other games. But what bugs about these ranks is that "+15% damge to troop with 100% health" upgrade is seamingly usless. Especially if you consider upgrading multiple generals. It doesn't make much sense since it works only for the first attack only for one general. I meant ridiculous in ridiculously bloated. WC4 has like four different campaigns at this point. That's boost is good in conquest since the enemy HP is much lower and you have to cover way more ground. The actually ridiculous upgrade is the one Kaihime / Toyotomi Hideyoshi (but not his other skins for some reason) and a couple others I don't remember has. Taishogun makes them heal 1 HP when they'd die, once a battle/conquest. 1HP. One. Hit. Point. That is comical. It's not that ridiculous. It takes an extra hit to kill them no matter how much damage you do. Not so useful for conquest with a swarm of weaker enemies but absolutely could be useful for martial arena with a single super-powerful unit. And in conquest if it does trigger you can always retreat to a temple. Incidentally, I hadn't realized that different skins can have different bonuses. Regarding skills, ET moves in mysterious ways so no one can say for sure, but it's pretty clear that the current design is to go up to level 3 so I don't think we can make too many conclusions based on level alone. |
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Post by SolidLight on Sept 1, 2024 22:08:54 GMT
I meant ridiculous in ridiculously bloated. WC4 has like four different campaigns at this point. That's boost is good in conquest since the enemy HP is much lower and you have to cover way more ground. The actually ridiculous upgrade is the one Kaihime / Toyotomi Hideyoshi (but not his other skins for some reason) and a couple others I don't remember has. Taishogun makes them heal 1 HP when they'd die, once a battle/conquest. 1HP. One. Hit. Point. That is comical. It's not that ridiculous. It takes an extra hit to kill them no matter how much damage you do. Not so useful for conquest with a swarm of weaker enemies but absolutely could be useful for martial arena with a single super-powerful unit. And in conquest if it does trigger you can always retreat to a temple. Incidentally, I hadn't realized that different skins can have different bonuses. Regarding skills, ET moves in mysterious ways so no one can say for sure, but it's pretty clear that the current design is to go up to level 3 so I don't think we can make too many conclusions based on level alone. Even in there that's really unlikely you help you at all since your guy is only surviving one more attack when you're already cutting it extremely close (cause if you're not cutting it close you're not near death and this is useless). Not to mention that the power level that you're at if you can afford to Taishogun guys with THAT bonus should be miles above what you need to smash any Martial Arena. And you can't run to a temple to heal in conquests since running to a temple to heal is a waste of one or several actions. Plus you need to somehow lose so much HP and then take enough attacks that you barely die but not any more for that bonus to take any effect at all. Not happening. ESPECIALLY since that Military rank line has so many damage reduction bonuses that you basically can't die to weak attacks at all. |
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