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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 6:45:12 GMT
Je voyage Québec à deux mille quatorze. C'est très beau! La poutine est délicieux aussi. (Sorry if there are inaccuracies in this, I am still taking French in school) I can see the average english speaker mistakes in there (feminine, masculine), but otherwise its a good effort for someone who is just starting. It's the same exact thing in German except German has 3 articles making it even worse. Still better than Turkish though which has no articles at all |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on May 7, 2016 10:10:53 GMT
I can see the average english speaker mistakes in there (feminine, masculine), but otherwise its a good effort for someone who is just starting. It's the same exact thing in German except German has 3 articles making it even worse. Still better than Turkish though which has no articles at all Im pretty sure Slavic languages don't have any articles either. Italian is pretty easy in my opinion, then again it does have both the shared vocabulary with English and it is very similar to French which makes it easier. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on May 7, 2016 10:32:40 GMT
I can see the average english speaker mistakes in there (feminine, masculine), but otherwise its a good effort for someone who is just starting. It's the same exact thing in German except German has 3 articles making it even worse. Still better than Turkish though which has no articles at all yo, I think all languages in the Muslim countries have no articles, as Urdu has none too. (believe me, please, I speak the language the whole time and have been speaking it since childhood but I still haven't found the Urdu equivalent of "a, an and the") . |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:03:29 GMT
It's the same exact thing in German except German has 3 articles making it even worse. Still better than Turkish though which has no articles at all yo, I think all languages in the Muslim countries have no articles, as Urdu has none too. (believe me, please, I speak the language the whole time and have been speaking it since childhood but I still haven't found the Urdu equivalent of "a, an and the") . Actually they do. Idk about Farsi (Persian) but I know for sure that Arabic has one. The "al-" e.g. al-jabr (Algebra) |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:04:29 GMT
It's the same exact thing in German except German has 3 articles making it even worse. Still better than Turkish though which has no articles at all Im pretty sure Slavic languages don't have any articles either. Italian is pretty easy in my opinion, then again it does have both the shared vocabulary with English and it is very similar to French which makes it easier. For me Dutch is very easy since I speak German and English which means I know half of Dutch |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on May 7, 2016 13:14:31 GMT
yo, I think all languages in the Muslim countries have no articles, as Urdu has none too. (believe me, please, I speak the language the whole time and have been speaking it since childhood but I still haven't found the Urdu equivalent of "a, an and the") . Actually they do. Idk about Farsi (Persian) but I know for sure that Arabic has one. The "al-" e.g. al-jabr (Algebra) yeah, speaking of it I still know al-khwarizmi's books name Al-hisab-ul-jabra-wal-muqabla And it's a big one... |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on May 7, 2016 13:17:04 GMT
Im pretty sure Slavic languages don't have any articles either. Italian is pretty easy in my opinion, then again it does have both the shared vocabulary with English and it is very similar to French which makes it easier. For me Dutch is very easy since I speak German and English which means I know half of Dutch Dutch is really easy to read (for me) Example In German, party is Partei. In Dutch, its partij. In English its party. They all are nearly the same. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:35:58 GMT
For me Dutch is very easy since I speak German and English which means I know half of Dutch Dutch is really easy to read (for me) Example In German, party is Partei. In Dutch, its partij. In English its party. They all are nearly the same. The thing is that most times a word is either very similar to a German word or very similar to an English word. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:36:40 GMT
Actually they do. Idk about Farsi (Persian) but I know for sure that Arabic has one. The "al-" e.g. al-jabr (Algebra) yeah, speaking of it I still know al-khwarizmi's books name Al-hisab-ul-jabra-wal-muqabla And it's a big one... But wasn't Khawarzimi in Persia/Turkemistan/Uzbekistan etc |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on May 7, 2016 13:38:02 GMT
yeah, speaking of it I still know al-khwarizmi's books name Al-hisab-ul-jabra-wal-muqabla And it's a big one... But wasn't Khawarzimi in Persia/Turkemistan/Uzbekistan etc he was somewhere in Central Asia (look for Khawarizm in Google maps) I just realized this thread was about Canadian history and we took it to Central Asia  |
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:38:35 GMT
But wasn't Khawarzimi in Persia/Turkemistan/Uzbekistan etc he was somewhere in Central Asia (look for Khawarizm in Google maps) I just realized this thread was about Canadian history and we took it to Central Asia I'm speaking from EU4 Extended Timeline experience. |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on May 7, 2016 13:56:35 GMT
The U.S Department of Security (I believe that department, but it could be another one) has different tiers of easiest to hardest languages for Native English speakers to learn. This list is used for agents and diplomats of the U.S government. Training can go from ~24 weeks to learn a tier 1 language to ~88 weeks to learn a tier 5.
Tier 1:
Dutch (Germanic)
Afrikaans (Germanic)
Norwegian (Germanic)
Swedish (Germanic)
Danish (Germanic)
French (Romance)
Romanian (Romance)
Italian (Romance)
Spanish (Romance)
Portuguese (Romance)
These languages are Tier 1 due to their similarity to English, the similar alphabet, and relatively simple grammar, pronunciation and language. All these languages are also either Romance or Germanic languages.
Tier 2:
German (Germanic)
German is the only language in Tier 2 due to its similarity to English, but the grammar is different than that of English and is overall harder than Tier 1 languages.
Tier 3:
Indonesian
Malaysian
Swahili
These languages are actually easy to learn, but these languages do not share vocabulary or grammar as English.
Tier 4:
All the Slavic Languages
Finnish
Farsi
Tagalog
Hungarian
Khmer
Vietnamese
Icelandic
Greek
Hebrew
Hindi
Urdu
Baltic Languages
Xhosa
Zulu
Georgian
Armenian
Azerbaijani
Turkish
Albanian
Lao
Uzbek
Nepali
Pashto
Sinhala
Thai
Amhara
Ukrainian
Burmese
Bengali
Mongolian
These languages are very different than English and are often difficult for English speakers to comprehend.
Tier 5:
Cantonese
Mandarin
Korean
Japanese
Arabic
These languages are extremely different, have radically different alphabets and different grammatical structures.
Please note that all of these are for Native English speakers, if you spoke Serbo-Croatian, for example, the Slavic languages would probably be in Tiers 1 and 2 and then the Romance and Germanic ones in Tier 4. So keep that in mind.
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Post by Jean Lannes on May 7, 2016 13:59:02 GMT
Note that if Turkish had a different alphabet it'd be in something like tier 7 because of its grammar rules. They are just crazy like no articles at all or an i without a dot. It is a beautiful language for poetry though
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Post by NetherFreek on May 7, 2016 17:44:48 GMT
Dunno if this is going to far of topic but these are 2 songtekst. From zo stil (Dutch) and so still (german).
Ik heb zoveel gehoord en toch komt niets meer bij me aan,
En dat is dus waarom ik 's nachts niet slapen kan,
Al schreef ik duizend liedjes over dit gemis,
Dan nog zou ik niet weten,
Waarom toch, dit gevoel voor altijd/immer is.
Ich hab soviel gehört und doch kommts niemals bei mir an
das ist der Grund, warum ich nachts nicht schlafen kann,
wenn ich auch tausend Lieder vom Vermissen schreib,
heißt das noch nicht, dass ich versteh,
warum dieses Gefühl für immer ist.
As you can see, there are many differences in the writing of the (middle) of the 2 songs. But when listening to them:
(dutch)
(german)
You dont hear (m)any difference(s). So although writing is different, speaking is (almost) the same
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Post by NetherFreek on May 7, 2016 17:48:13 GMT
Btw if you watch, i reccomend you to watch from 1:00 (both videos)
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