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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 4:45:35 GMT
Maybe if he didn't take Manstein out of power, he would have won. Not only erich Fritz von Manstein, he should have listened to erwin Rommel and... Guderian? And kicked out Air Idiot Göring. Hitler didn't listen to any of his good generals, only the ones that he thought were "cool" |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 4:51:45 GMT
Not only erich Fritz von Manstein, he should have listened to erwin Rommel and... Guderian? And kicked out Air Idiot Göring. Hitler didn't listen to any of his good generals, only the ones that he thought were "cool" Yeah. Here's my list: Not listening to good generals. Trusting bad generals. Invading USSR near winter. Battle of Britian... commanded by Göring. Waging war on US... thanks Japan. |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 5:07:50 GMT
The BIGGEST mistakes Hitler made that we all agree: Invading USSR and not listening to good generals.
Anoher question: Do you think Christopher Columbus is overall good or bad?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 5:13:00 GMT
The BIGGEST mistakes Hitler made that we all agree: Invading USSR and not listening to good generals. Anoher question: Do you think Christopher Columbus is overall good or bad? Bad |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Aug 9, 2016 6:18:40 GMT
The BIGGEST mistakes Hitler made that we all agree: Invading USSR and not listening to good generals. Anoher question: Do you think Christopher Columbus is overall good or bad? Definitely bad |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 9, 2016 7:26:49 GMT
You guys are also forgetting the extremely likehood of Stalin ordering a reverse Operation Barbossa. No really... he could have easily gone ahead with the first wrong move instead of Hilter.
Stalin had been mobilizing for an eventual clash with Hilter. And of course, Hilter was mobilized on the eastern front too. The truce wouldn't have lasted very long between two violently opposing alignments in poltics anyway. Commie vs Nazi, keep that in mind when looking at the 1930s and 1940s.
There's a possibility that Hilter's decision to invade Russia might actually extended the life of the Third Reich. Hard to think so otherwise, but it's really possible.
Stalin was shocked when Hilter attacked not because he had attacked, but rather was shocked that Hilter choosed that particular timing. Caught off balance, the massive giant of Soviet Russia had a very difficult time fighting a bitter long war of 4 years from 1941 to 1945.
If it was such a bad idea to go to war against USSR for Hilter to make, how come Stalin couldn't succed in defeating Germany until 4 years later AND with Anglo-American forces battering down so hard on Hilter's opposite flank?
Be honest... hindsight from the modern perspective is 20/20 but not necessarily perfectly knowledgeable.
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 7:33:13 GMT
You guys are also forgetting the extremely likehood of Stalin ordering a reverse Operation Barbossa. No really... he could have easily gone ahead with the first wrong move instead of Hilter. Stalin had been mobilizing for an eventual clash with Hilter. And of course, Hilter was mobilized on the eastern front too. The truce wouldn't have lasted very long between two violently opposing alignments in poltics anyway. Commie vs Nazi, keep that in mind when looking at the 1930s and 1940s. There's a possibility that Hilter's decision to invade Russia might actually extended the life of the Third Reich. Hard to think so otherwise, but it's really possible. Stalin was shocked when Hilter attacked not because he had attacked, but rather was shocked that Hilter choosed that particular timing. Caught off balance, the massive giant of Soviet Russia had a very difficult time fighting a bitter long war of 4 years from 1941 to 1945. If it was such a bad idea to go to war against USSR for Hilter to make, how come Stalin couldn't succed in defeating Germany until 4 years later AND with Anglo-American forces battering down so hard on Hilter's opposite flank? Be honest... hindsight from the modern perspective is 20/20 but not necessarily perfectly knowledgeable. Good point. But Germany smashed Russia at first, it might survive a winter defence. |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 7:36:16 GMT
The BIGGEST mistakes Hitler made that we all agree: Invading USSR and not listening to good generals. Anoher question: Do you think Christopher Columbus is overall good or bad? Definitely bad I think he's bad too. Discovering and developing America is not as good as massacring Indians is bad. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 9, 2016 7:41:48 GMT
I think he's bad too. Discovering and developing America is not as good as massacring Indians is bad. Then Cortez is even worse  |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 8:00:29 GMT
I think he's bad too. Discovering and developing America is not as good as massacring Indians is bad. Then Cortez is even worse Yes he is. The Aztecs sacrificed people on the pyramids, but Cortez massacred pretty much every Indian. So much for being Christians. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 9, 2016 9:10:53 GMT
Then Cortez is even worse Yes he is. The Aztecs sacrificed people on the pyramids, but Cortez massacred pretty much every Indian. So much for being Christians. Well, more specifically Catholics rather than Christians in general. Funny thing about the Cortez massacre, more Indians had died to plagues than direct slaughter. Cortez didn't even planned to kill via smallpox. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Aug 9, 2016 9:39:53 GMT
Yes he is. The Aztecs sacrificed people on the pyramids, but Cortez massacred pretty much every Indian. So much for being Christians. Well, more specifically Catholics rather than Christians in general. Funny thing about the Cortez massacre, more Indians had died to plagues than direct slaughter. Cortez didn't even planned to kill via smallpox. many natives died because of flu as well, they were unknown to it but then Spain "happened" |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Aug 9, 2016 9:42:53 GMT
Yes he is. The Aztecs sacrificed people on the pyramids, but Cortez massacred pretty much every Indian. So much for being Christians. Well, more specifically Catholics rather than Christians in general. Funny thing about the Cortez massacre, more Indians had died to plagues than direct slaughter. Cortez didn't even planned to kill via smallpox. Quote from Horrible Histories: "Coughs and sneezes spread dieseases... and spread Spanish empires with eases!" |
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Post by Tito on Aug 9, 2016 10:33:17 GMT
How could Hitler have won WW2? Not Invading USSR supplying Rommel in North Africa to get Africas oil and then defeat rhe british and the rest is history |
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Post by Tito on Aug 9, 2016 10:35:52 GMT
Not invaded the Soviet Union. The only reason he did was for oil, perhaps he could buy oil from them instead. I heard if he had invaded the USSR sooner, not getting distracted in the balkans. Operation barbarossa would have been success. The Germans Invaded In Winter and it was said that when the germans invaded that was the worst winter ever and they has more faater tanks but the tiger tank has more range and firepower and they were more expensive an less produced |
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