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Post by Tito on Sept 25, 2016 16:39:20 GMT
I wouldn't recommend learning German or English to anyone who isn't fluent in a Germanic language, as they are very hard to master. German might be easy to learn at first, but when you get into the longer, and more "German" words such as: "rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" You'll be in for a ride. Learning English is pretty necessary these days. Many countries hane english as a main laguange, if you dont know it you wont go anywhere |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Sept 25, 2016 17:14:24 GMT
Learning English is pretty necessary these days. Many countries hane english as a main laguange, if you dont know it you wont go anywhere English is also the language of international commerce |
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Post by NetherFreek on Sept 25, 2016 18:13:54 GMT
I wouldn't recommend learning German or English to anyone who isn't fluent in a Germanic language, as they are very hard to master. German might be easy to learn at first, but when you get into the longer, and more "German" words such as: "rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" You'll be in for a ride. Learning English is pretty necessary these days. Necessary? No. English is (for me) the most important language in the world indeed. However, calling it necesarry seems a bit too much for me. Is English important for a rice-farmer in Nepal? Douptfull. English is pretty important and i would recommend all to learn it. But without english, you arent doomed. So i wouldnt call it necesarry. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Sept 25, 2016 18:16:40 GMT
Learning English is pretty necessary these days. Necessary? No. English is (for me) the most important language in the world indeed. However, calling it necesarry seems a bit too much for me. Is English important for a rice-farmer in Nepal? Douptfull. English is pretty important and i would recommend all to learn it. But without english, you arent doomed. So i wouldnt call it necesarry. It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world. A Nepalese rice farmer doesn't need it, but you and I need it to carry this conversation right now, or book a plane ticket for a vacation in Ireland (random example), or order food in Mexico (random example). |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Sept 25, 2016 18:20:56 GMT
Necessary? No. English is (for me) the most important language in the world indeed. However, calling it necesarry seems a bit too much for me. Is English important for a rice-farmer in Nepal? Douptfull. English is pretty important and i would recommend all to learn it. But without english, you arent doomed. So i wouldnt call it necesarry. It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world. A Nepalese rice farmer doesn't need it, but you and I need it to carry this conversation right now, or book a plane ticket for a vacation in Ireland (random example), or order food in Mexico (random example). A Global Lingua Franca (as only Walpole knows what language will dominate us in centuries to come) is important to our modern world structure, but not neccesary for our survival. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Sept 25, 2016 18:22:46 GMT
It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world. A Nepalese rice farmer doesn't need it, but you and I need it to carry this conversation right now, or book a plane ticket for a vacation in Ireland (random example), or order food in Mexico (random example). A Global Lingua Franca (as only Walpole knows what language will dominate us in centuries to come) is important to our modern world structure, but not neccesary for our survival. Indeed. In order to take part in global culture, commerce, etc. one must speak it, but not for survival |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Sept 25, 2016 18:23:59 GMT
A Global Lingua Franca (as only Walpole knows what language will dominate us in centuries to come) is important to our modern world structure, but not neccesary for our survival. Indeed. In order to take part in global culture, commerce, etc. one must speak it, but not for survival Either that, or everyone uses (Universal) Translators. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Sept 25, 2016 18:25:41 GMT
Indeed. In order to take part in global culture, commerce, etc. one must speak it, but not for survival Either that, or everyone uses (Universal) Translators. There are none that work properly at present  . We don't live in the 24th-Century Federation |
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Post by NetherFreek on Sept 25, 2016 18:31:16 GMT
Necessary? No. English is (for me) the most important language in the world indeed. However, calling it necesarry seems a bit too much for me. Is English important for a rice-farmer in Nepal? Douptfull. English is pretty important and i would recommend all to learn it. But without english, you arent doomed. So i wouldnt call it necesarry. It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world. A Nepalese rice farmer doesn't need it, but you and I need it to carry this conversation right now, or book a plane ticket for a vacation in Ireland (random example), or order food in Mexico (random example). I agree on "It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world" and "order food in Mexico" Since its pretty handy to have common language for different people around the globe. And thus English greatly contributes to worldwide trade and globalization. I think its a must-have for first and second world countries. But i see necesarry as 'something you strictly need and without it youre doomed'. I think the difference between us is how to reed necesarry. (Btw i dont agree on the plane tickets simply cause i buy them on dutch sites) |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Sept 25, 2016 18:33:14 GMT
It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world. A Nepalese rice farmer doesn't need it, but you and I need it to carry this conversation right now, or book a plane ticket for a vacation in Ireland (random example), or order food in Mexico (random example). I agree on "It's important for anyone who wants to work with people from other parts of the world" and "order food in Mexico" Since its pretty handy to have common language for different people around the globe. And thus English greatly contributes to worldwide trade and globalization. I think its a must-have for first and second world countries. But i see necesarry as 'something you strictly need and without it youre doomed'. I think the difference between us is how to reed necesarry. (Btw i dont agree on the plane tickets simply cause i buy them on dutch sites) Fair point. That's just a bad example from me |
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Post by Stonewall Jackson on Sept 25, 2016 18:37:10 GMT
I wouldn't recommend learning German or English to anyone who isn't fluent in a Germanic language, as they are very hard to master. German might be easy to learn at first, but when you get into the longer, and more "German" words such as: "rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" You'll be in for a ride. Just out of curiosity, what does that translate out to be? |
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Post by Bismarck Jr on Sept 25, 2016 18:43:21 GMT
I wouldn't recommend learning German or English to anyone who isn't fluent in a Germanic language, as they are very hard to master. German might be easy to learn at first, but when you get into the longer, and more "German" words such as: "rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" You'll be in for a ride. Learning English is pretty necessary these days. English, Chinese, Arabic, German. Big languages in the global market and the most spoken on the internet (aside from Spanish) |
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Post by Bismarck Jr on Sept 25, 2016 18:44:11 GMT
Many countries hane english as a main laguange, if you dont know it you wont go anywhere English is also the language of international commerce This is called a: *drumroll* Lingua franca |
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Post by Desophaeus on Sept 25, 2016 20:12:21 GMT
Either that, or everyone uses (Universal) Translators. There are none that work properly at present . We don't live in the 24th-Century Federation And it will mistranslate on occasion no matter how perfect the universal translators are perceived to be. Or worse, mistranslate on every fifth word if badly made (Made by the lowest bidder). :/ |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Sept 25, 2016 23:13:35 GMT
There are none that work properly at present . We don't live in the 24th-Century Federation And it will mistranslate on occasion no matter how perfect the universal translators are perceived to be. Or worse, mistranslate on every fifth word if badly made (Made by the lowest bidder). :/ A little test I did (which is similar to the random musings of people in one of the NS regions I frequent): Google translating the first verse of Advance Australian Fair (the Australian Anthem) from English -> Esperanto -> Romanian -> Malagasy -> Vietnamese -> English. Languages are randomly chosen. Compare the Original: Australians all let us rejoice, For we are young and free; We've golden soil and wealth for toil; Our home is girt by sea; Our land abounds in nature's gifts Of beauty rich and rare; In history's page, let every stage Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
To This: Enjoy all Australians, But we are young and free; Gold and the treasure of the work; The house is the other species in the sea; Much of the land in the natural gifts Beauty rich and rare; The history of the page, for foundation Temporary Australia Fair. Strains then let us sing with joy, Temporary Australia Fair. |
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. We don't live in the 24th-Century Federation 
