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Post by Stonewall Jackson on Sept 28, 2016 19:00:53 GMT
Thought this was interesting. Curious as to what you guys think would have happened if America would have upheld the Treaty of Alliance with France?
The Treaty of Alliances was Formed after the American Revolution, which promised mutual military support in case fighting should break out between French and British forces. George Washington and Federalists backed by Alexander Hamilton opposed the idea of protecting the French West Indies, while Thomas Jefferson supported the idea of aiding France. The idea of not supporting was chosen. If America would have chosen to support the French, this could have led to war, with France and U.S on one side vs GB, Prussia, Austria, Netherlands, and Sardinia on the other. So what do you think, in terms of long term and short term?
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Post by Mountbatten on Sept 28, 2016 21:08:37 GMT
Thought this was interesting. Curious as to what you guys think would have happened if America would have upheld the Treaty of Alliance with France?
The Treaty of Alliances was Formed after the American Revolution, which promised mutual military support in case fighting should break out between French and British forces. George Washington and Federalists backed by Alexander Hamilton opposed the idea of protecting the French West Indies, while Thomas Jefferson supported the idea of aiding France. The idea of not supporting was chosen. If America would have chosen to support the French, this could have led to war, with France and U.S on one side vs GB, Prussia, Austria, Netherlands, and Sardinia on the other. So what do you think, in terms of long term and short term? Probably wouldn't have been able to do much as we had just established our ragtag militia into an organised force. Not only that, but we were overseas with hardly any navy. The best we could do is have Britain use their resources on suppressing the colonies. If we tried to sail overseas they would just blow us out of the water. |
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Post by Stonewall Jackson on Sept 28, 2016 22:52:22 GMT
Thought this was interesting. Curious as to what you guys think would have happened if America would have upheld the Treaty of Alliance with France?
The Treaty of Alliances was Formed after the American Revolution, which promised mutual military support in case fighting should break out between French and British forces. George Washington and Federalists backed by Alexander Hamilton opposed the idea of protecting the French West Indies, while Thomas Jefferson supported the idea of aiding France. The idea of not supporting was chosen. If America would have chosen to support the French, this could have led to war, with France and U.S on one side vs GB, Prussia, Austria, Netherlands, and Sardinia on the other. So what do you think, in terms of long term and short term? Probably wouldn't have been able to do much as we had just established our ragtag militia into an organised force. Not only that, but we were overseas with hardly any navy. The best we could do is have Britain use their resources on suppressing the colonies. If we tried to sail overseas they would just blow us out of the water. Anything about a second invasion of America by Great Britain and Allies once France was defeated? |
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Post by Mountbatten on Sept 28, 2016 22:58:20 GMT
Probably wouldn't have been able to do much as we had just established our ragtag militia into an organised force. Not only that, but we were overseas with hardly any navy. The best we could do is have Britain use their resources on suppressing the colonies. If we tried to sail overseas they would just blow us out of the water. Anything about a second invasion of America by Great Britain and Allies once France was defeated? Possibly. We would probably just deal our way out of it and become non-independent  |
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Post by Stonewall Jackson on Sept 29, 2016 0:43:08 GMT
Anything about a second invasion of America by Great Britain and Allies once France was defeated? Possibly. We would probably just deal our way out of it and become non-independent Which could lead to a second American Revolution |
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Post by Conrad von Hotzendorf on Oct 6, 2016 14:38:56 GMT
I think that America would seek to invade Canada instead of sailing across the Atlantic, this would force GB into fighting in two continents and also having to blockade the American Navy leading to a significant drop in forces in Europe
Alternatively the US may decide to sail the majority of its army to Europe, this would leave it open to attack by the coalition navies and allowing British forces in Canada to attack the outnumbered forces still in the US
Either way America acts in this event, the outcome would be negative
Note: There may be some bias in this outlook so feel free to correct me
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Post by Kaleg Nar on Oct 10, 2016 0:07:28 GMT
In my opinion, it wouldn't have been much different. The War of 1812 can be used as a model of what would've happened and it was a stalemate. So basically you would've had a longer stalemate in the Americas. The only possible difference would be if after defeating France, Britain had a higher grudge against America, threw the weight of its empire on the new US and took the Louisiana Purchas away, preventing the US from being the superpower it is today.
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