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Post by wintercastle on Nov 14, 2016 15:05:00 GMT
Seeing everyone talk about Saladin and Attila, anyone think Li Shimin has the same problem? He has logistics and marshal, 2 skills for survival but is that really necessary for an artillery general? A damage dealer like Attila would be more preferable in my point of view so maybe he isn't a good buy. But I'm just rambling with stats, haven't bought him so anyone have a better idea on what he's like?
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Post by burningwings on Nov 14, 2016 15:38:24 GMT
In my opinion, -the general, who can survive longer, is better for lower conquest and defend mission(Haven't met any defend mission in EW5 yet.). His hp also reduced slower, which mean he will be affected less due to hp loss. -the general with better damage can help you take advantage faster in higher conquest and is better for attack mission. If I have to choose, I will pick Atila because I think he will have special unit at 4 stars.  |
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Post by Feldmarschall, Fish the Cake on Nov 14, 2016 16:04:21 GMT
Seeing everyone talk about Saladin and Attila, anyone think Li Shimin has the same problem? He has logistics and marshal, 2 skills for survival but is that really necessary for an artillery general? A damage dealer like Attila would be more preferable in my point of view so maybe he isn't a good buy. But I'm just rambling with stats, haven't bought him so anyone have a better idea on what he's like? I got Li, and I'm not regretting it, although he's not so effective against troops , he's a bloody beast against fortified areas as he splashes surrounding buildings and units as well+when his active skill fills up, there's a big chance of hitting a bulidng(tower, wall...) for 600-1000 plus a splash for 200-600.. One piece of advice , don't upgrade him(level wise) , the artillery piece he accompanies will suffice for the remainder of the game! |
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Post by Singlemalt on Nov 14, 2016 17:27:29 GMT
Seeing everyone talk about Saladin and Attila, anyone think Li Shimin has the same problem? He has logistics and marshal, 2 skills for survival but is that really necessary for an artillery general? A damage dealer like Attila would be more preferable in my point of view so maybe he isn't a good buy. But I'm just rambling with stats, haven't bought him so anyone have a better idea on what he's like? I got Li, and I'm not regretting it, although he's not so effective against troops , he's a bloody beast against fortified areas as he splashes surrounding buildings and units as well+when his active skill fills up, there's a big chance of hitting a bulidng(tower, wall...) for 600-1000 plus a splash for 200-600.. One piece of advice , don't upgrade him(level wise) , the artillery piece he accompanies will suffice for the remainder of the game! I like Li also. I have upgraded him after i finished all stuff so i can make him 4star as soon as update is there. Based on what info do you think extra stars and lvl wont make him better for end game? |
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Post by Feldmarschall, Fish the Cake on Nov 14, 2016 18:16:13 GMT
I got Li, and I'm not regretting it, although he's not so effective against troops , he's a bloody beast against fortified areas as he splashes surrounding buildings and units as well+when his active skill fills up, there's a big chance of hitting a bulidng(tower, wall...) for 600-1000 plus a splash for 200-600.. One piece of advice , don't upgrade him(level wise) , the artillery piece he accompanies will suffice for the remainder of the game! I like Li also. I have upgraded him after i finished all stuff so i can make him 4star as soon as update is there. Based on what info do you think extra stars and lvl wont make him better for end game? Because those stats he gains are really meager and won't make any large impact that can't be pushed off by a good set of items. That said , you're trading the only thing that makes him unique , and that's the splash effect , it also limits you a bit, slows down the map progression because after upgrading you'll be spending time attacking individual segments of some fort , instead of hitting multiple sections alongside all the enemy troops that are nearby.. Once again , this is my analysis of everything i saw and experienced , alongside speculations on how things function or will function! |
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Post by Singlemalt on Nov 14, 2016 18:23:31 GMT
Makes sense. Good thing is we can eventually compare and help the others what is the best solution
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Post by Feldmarschall, Fish the Cake on Nov 14, 2016 18:31:53 GMT
Makes sense. Good thing is we can eventually compare and help the others what is the best solution Exactly , we're gonna build the perfect road to success , and then everyone is gonna end up using it and walking over it, lol |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Nov 14, 2016 22:39:22 GMT
Makes sense. Good thing is we can eventually compare and help the others what is the best solution Exactly , we're gonna build the perfect road to success , and then everyone is gonna end up using it and walking over it, lol Hope it's an easy one, like "get Guderian"(GoG)  |
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Post by best75 on Nov 14, 2016 22:40:47 GMT
I am a bit opposed to not upgrading Li shi min
The endgame now is empire age so its not too bad not upgrading him but when the later ages come out it should be reconsidered.
He's basically gonna miss out on 30 levels of stats than. That sounds pretty major to me.
Upgrading him will give him the firepower ability back unlike at 2 star where everytime he attacks a tower he's gonna get counterattacked.
When attacking I am not interested in taking down every single wall of a castle, just destroying the wall where a town is and getting my troops through there. A high star li shimin is gonna do that better than a 2 star li shimin. Will do more damage and can avoid counterattack so will be taking down a wall faster and live longer.
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Post by wintercastle on Nov 15, 2016 0:14:33 GMT
i'm opposed to buying Li Shimin at the first place, much less upgrading him. I'd expect at least some general they release in the future, such as bismarck to be artillery and think we should wait for that. I believe end game generals should have good and relevant skillset since in the end, you'll be upgrading all his skill to high levels. Unfortunately, Li Shimin does not have a good artillery skill in my opinion. In a sense, his skills are even worse than the Saladin/ Attila comparison. At lease Saladin is a cavalry general and has use of more health and regeneration, why on earth would you have your artillery taking damage at the first place. There should be no point at all. I think in the end, it will make him mediocre at best. Therefore, it's a waste of 3000 medals that would be otherwise better spent elsewhere.
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Post by burningwings on Nov 15, 2016 0:30:42 GMT
It would be good if the game let us change units that a general lead.
I prefer Fire Dragon but It prevent Li Shimin get Marshal skill which can only unlocked by upgrade him to 3 star. Similar situation is Longbowman of Robin Hood.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 15, 2016 2:02:07 GMT
i'm opposed to buying Li Shimin at the first place, much less upgrading him. I'd expect at least some general they release in the future, such as bismarck to be artillery and think we should wait for that. I believe end game generals should have good and relevant skillset since in the end, you'll be upgrading all his skill to high levels. Unfortunately, Li Shimin does not have a good artillery skill in my opinion. In a sense, his skills are even worse than the Saladin/ Attila comparison. At lease Saladin is a cavalry general and has use of more health and regeneration, why on earth would you have your artillery taking damage at the first place. There should be no point at all. I think in the end, it will make him mediocre at best. Therefore, it's a waste of 3000 medals that would be otherwise better spent elsewhere. Gold stat is the only thing that saves Li. As far as I know, Bismarck also has decent stat(Napoleon lite?), which puts Li in dangerous situation(RIP Zheng and Tougou). |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 15, 2016 2:03:49 GMT
I am a bit opposed to not upgrading Li shi min The endgame now is empire age so its not too bad not upgrading him but when the later ages come out it should be reconsidered. He's basically gonna miss out on 30 levels of stats than. That sounds pretty major to me. Upgrading him will give him the firepower ability back unlike at 2 star where everytime he attacks a tower he's gonna get counterattacked. When attacking I am not interested in taking down every single wall of a castle, just destroying the wall where a town is and getting my troops through there. A high star li shimin is gonna do that better than a 2 star li shimin. Will do more damage and can avoid counterattack so will be taking down a wall faster and live longer. Agree. 1 more hex range>AOE. |
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Post by best75 on Nov 15, 2016 2:22:36 GMT
i'm opposed to buying Li Shimin at the first place, much less upgrading him. I'd expect at least some general they release in the future, such as bismarck to be artillery and think we should wait for that. I believe end game generals should have good and relevant skillset since in the end, you'll be upgrading all his skill to high levels. Unfortunately, Li Shimin does not have a good artillery skill in my opinion. In a sense, his skills are even worse than the Saladin/ Attila comparison. At lease Saladin is a cavalry general and has use of more health and regeneration, why on earth would you have your artillery taking damage at the first place. There should be no point at all. I think in the end, it will make him mediocre at best. Therefore, it's a waste of 3000 medals that would be otherwise better spent elsewhere. Gold stat is the only thing that saves Li. As far as I know, Bismarck also has decent stat(Napoleon lite?), which puts Li in dangerous situation(RIP Zheng and Tougou). Bismarck at 5 star will be on special unit that give enemy no chance for counterattack so he will be very good for endgame. |
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Post by wintercastle on Nov 15, 2016 3:26:41 GMT
Gold stat is the only thing that saves Li. As far as I know, Bismarck also has decent stat(Napoleon lite?), which puts Li in dangerous situation(RIP Zheng and Tougou). Bismarck at 5 star will be on special unit that give enemy no chance for counterattack so he will be very good for endgame. Yup, that's why i suggest using Cleopatra until lvl 30 and see what happens till then, you don't actually need Li for missions and he loses his speciality of AOE chinese artillery after level 2. Seems like a waste of money |
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