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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 1, 2016 8:12:53 GMT
A list of historical and geographical changes in EW5. The list will be edited. Ages: Classical, Dark instead of Medieval, Middle/Medieval instead of Empire, Gunpowder instead of Discovery, Enlightenment/Discovery instead of Gunpowder, Industrial. (Would be nice to have a Global and Atomic) Generals: Leonidas: More output and survivalbility. After all, he probably could have defeated the Persians at Thermopylae if not for the traitor. Alexander: On a chariot instead? (As in be a calvary general) Robin Hood: Just change him to Votigern, a British-Celt king. Beowulf: Change to Cnut (or Knut, depends on how you want to spell it), a Viking king. Hua Mulan: Neither a general nor an archer. Montecuhzoma: The only well-known Aztec king, but he should be infantry instead of archer. Also, he didn't put much of a fight. Not a good gen. Pachacuti: Again, infantry instead of archer. The greatest Incan ruler. Should be a good gen. Xerxes: Let's face it, he isn't that bad. He deserves some better stats (but not too much) Cleopatra: Why is she on siege? At least she should be on calvary. Units: Roman Legion should be Classical Age, not Empire (or rather, Medieval) Greek Chariot should have more output and defense than horsemen. English Longbowmen should be Empire (Medieval), not Medieval (Dark) Carthage War Elephant should be Classical Age, not Empire (Medieval) Aztec Conquisadors should change to (the nonexistent) llama Rider or Slinger. If Slinger, Classical Age. Inca Tercio should change. Spanish Conquisadors and Tercio should be in Discovery (Gunpowder) Age instead of Empire (Medieval) Age. Geography: No Gdansk Budapest in lasi-Moldavis area Saloniki in Belgrade No Serbis/Bulgaia/Romania No Crimean Cities. Attachments:
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Post by Desophaeus on Nov 1, 2016 14:26:39 GMT
To be honest... Easytech history is not even close to real history in almost every single possible instance in every game. I summed it up: european-war-4.boards.net/post/85652/Postive Effect of Playing EU4: you learn more about history by playing the game than you would in a classroom. Postive Effect of Playing EW4: you learn more about history by looking at the history books just to see how bad Easytech got it wrong, and you end up learning more than you would in a classroom. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 1, 2016 17:14:33 GMT
Ehh, but didn't Alexander ride with his "companion" Cavalry, not chariots? So why put him on chariot, its not the only greek mobile force.
Considering cavalry replaced chariots, im not sure which one is better. To be fair, chariots are built like a tank while cavalry are.....cavalry.
Also, I think we can reduce the leonidas situation even more. He was sent with a holding force, only 300 (spartans) I Imagine he could beat the persians if he had more than a fraction of the spartan army.
I like the Cnut Idea, but Vercingtorix lived in Proto-Proto france. Could we find a celtic ruler that is from the british isles? Like the Votigern, though he didn't do that well.
Funny to say Mulan is no general. It is true, but robin hood was small unit tactics. Of course, that's the building block of an army and general right there. Ahh darn it, I just disproved my own arguement.
Finally, I can respect or laugh at language barriers, but I feel like there is no excuse (maybe cell-phones) for geography problems. If china was once the great nation they say it was, surely they could comprehend the simplest of european maps. Forgive me for not being post-modern, but last time I checked the geography of the earth is the same for.anyone.
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Post by Desophaeus on Nov 1, 2016 17:19:57 GMT
Imperial RomeBall, it's called the Middle Kingdom Syndrome. They think they only need to learn about their home and nothing else (which eventually led to a certain century of humiliation...). I'm afraid they're not the only one who is infected with it... Some of the modern nations do suffer from it, considering the poor quality of education in the current schools, enough said.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 1, 2016 17:43:13 GMT
Im more concerned with the people who want to learn good things about every country but their own, and nothing good about theirs if they learn anything at all.
It's cool how they made a language changing option in EW5 though. Of course that proves nothing about their having open minds.
I think someone pointed out they weren't perfect about asia either, but whatever. I once read a fantasy book, where the priesthood refuses an ancient egyptian styled country modern technology (better bows, but no crossbows or plate armour)
They of course are nearly wiped out. It annoyed me that by the end of the book that they learned nothing, despite being saved by mercenaries and the open-minded commander. Darn it, if you hate outside techniques fine. But for gods sake modernize your army to protect your right to backwards life.
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 2, 2016 0:25:34 GMT
Ehh, but didn't Alexander ride with his "companion" Cavalry, not chariots? So why put him on chariot, its not the only greek mobile force. Considering cavalry replaced chariots, im not sure which one is better. To be fair, chariots are built like a tank while cavalry are.....cavalry. Also, I think we can reduce the leonidas situation even more. He was sent with a holding force, only 300 (spartans) I Imagine he could beat the persians if he had more than a fraction of the spartan army. I like the Cnut Idea, but Vercingtorix lived in Proto-Proto france. Could we find a celtic ruler that is from the british isles? Like the Votigern, though he didn't do that well. Funny to say Mulan is no general. It is true, but robin hood was small unit tactics. Of course, that's the building block of an army and general right there. Ahh darn it, I just disproved my own arguement. Finally, I can respect or laugh at language barriers, but I feel like there is no excuse (maybe cell-phones) for geography problems. If china was once the great nation they say it was, surely they could comprehend the simplest of european maps. Forgive me for not being post-modern, but last time I checked the geography of the earth is the same for.anyone. When I said "put him(Alexander) on the chariot instead" I meant "make him a calvary general instead". You see, chariot is a Greek Classical Age unique troop. Actually, Leonidas did very well with only 300 of his best Spartans, but a traitor led the Persians behind them. If there was no traitor the Spartans might have won! I forgot he was French-Celt. I will edit that. Hua Mulan is more of an outstanding soldier than a general, but we can have her in the game; just at least change her from archer to infantry. Forgot about Geography problems. Mind giving me a few? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 2, 2016 1:33:38 GMT
Oops Im an idiot, ive played far enough to see they made him infantry. Sorry about that. While The macedonian phalanxes are famous, the Macedonians apparently struck decisively with their Heavy Cavalry. No doubt Alexander commanded from his horse, as Bucephalus is famous enough to get autocorrected lol. Still, id say no to chariots, but if they put them in game as a unque unit then ok. Thank you for agreeing about verceingtorix, though I never expected anything but it rest on its merit. I believe mulan has a "general" skill or something. That is indeed silly. Hmm, I remember discussing it with Quintus Fabius. But Id have to check the game to tell you accurately. I think for one thing an ukrainian city was inside russia, but that's not a big issue to me as geography is harder with no coastline  |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Nov 2, 2016 14:35:24 GMT
Playing a bit of devil's advocate here.
Hua Mulan is Archer line because Huns are cav nation, and archers melt cav.
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 2, 2016 15:06:17 GMT
Playing a bit of devil's advocate here. Hua Mulan is Archer line because Huns are cav nation, and archers melt cav. Hmm. Makes sense. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Nov 2, 2016 15:36:08 GMT
However, I still have a problem with cav in New World.
Also, some nations don't exist ingame. Poland-Lith, Native Americans, Maya, Mali, Ethopia, Zulu and frankly anything below equator...
FOr Geography: No Gdansk, Budapest in Iasi-Moldavia area, Saloniki in Belgrade, no Serbia/Bulgaria/ROmania, No Crimean Cities,
P.S. Modern Greek flag for Alexander's Macedon...
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 3, 2016 0:42:19 GMT
I noticed how different this was compared to the original so I changwd the thing entirely.
So basically now we just discuss and add on the list.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Nov 3, 2016 13:40:13 GMT
Where are the Winged Hussars, or Hussars for that matter?  |
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Post by Marshal Hugh Dowding on Nov 3, 2016 14:26:55 GMT
Where are the Winged Hussars, or Hussars for that matter? Easytech made hussars hunnic unique ujit... |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Nov 3, 2016 14:39:11 GMT
Where are the Winged Hussars, or Hussars for that matter? Easytech made hussars hunnic unique ujit... *Facepalms* But I can see why. Huns->Magyars->Hungary->Hungarian Huszars. Anywsy, pic? |
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