Unit vs unit bonus/penalty

Eastern empire
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 9, 2015 11:43:25 GMT via mobile saltin, kanue, and 2 more like this

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Post by Eastern empire on Sept 9, 2015 11:43:25 GMT

Arms restraint coefficient see the following data, the value can be substituted.
Rough estimated bonus/hinderness of EU4 regular units (no generals,or skills)
Added:someone may help with translation

A/infantry:
militia, line column, Light Infantry: Infantry 1.00 and 1.00 for the cavalry, artillery 1.00, 0.80 to the fortress, to ship 0.90
Grenadier Guards: 1.00 infantry, cavalry 1.00, 1.00 for artillery, for the fortress 1.20, 1.25 to ship
guns: 1.30 infantry, cavalry 1.45, 1.00 for artillery, for the fortress was not detected on the ship unmeasured

B/cavalry:
Qingqi: Infantry 1.00 and 1.00 for the cavalry, artillery 1.00, 0.80 for the fortress of ship not measured

weight riding: Infantry 1.00, 1.00 cavalry, artillery 1.00, 0.80 for the fortress of unmeasured boat

ride Guards: 1.00 infantry, cavalry 1.00, 1.00 to artillery, to the fortress 1.20, 1.25 to ship

armored vehicles: Infantry 1.30, 1.45 cavalry, artillery 1.00, 0.80 for the fortress, ship unmeasured

C/artillery:
Light Gun: 0.95 infantry, cavalry 0.85, 0.95 to artillery, to the fortress 1.20 1.25 to ship

heavy artillery: Infantry 0.95 0.85 cavalry, artillery 0.95, 1.20 for the fortress of the ship 1.25

Siege Cannon: Infantry 0.95, 0.85 cavalry, artillery 0.95, 2.16 for the fortress, ship unmeasured. Attack targets in the city, based on the defenders side arms coefficient multiplied by 1.40

Rocket: Infantry 1.10, 1.20 cavalry, artillery 1.00, 1.50 to the fortress, to ship 1.50

D/fortress: not measured
boat: Not measured

kanue
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 9, 2015 16:04:38 GMT saltin, Eastern empire, and 1 more like this

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Post by kanue on Sept 9, 2015 16:04:38 GMT

Here, I create a table based on Eastern empire info above. I am not so sure if I get it correctly so please let me know if there is anything wrong.

Eastern empire, I have a couple of questions.
1) Are these the actual numbers from game file or estimations from players?
2) What do you mean by 'not measure'?

Anyway, these are very useful information.

Last Edit: Sept 9, 2015 16:11:04 GMT by kanue

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Eastern empire
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 10, 2015 1:55:38 GMT via mobile

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Post by Eastern empire on Sept 10, 2015 1:55:38 GMT

Sept 9, 2015 16:04:38 GMT kanue said:

Here, I create a table based on Eastern empire info above. I am not so sure if I get it correctly so please let me know if there is anything wrong.

Eastern empire, I have a couple of questions.
1) Are these the actual numbers from game file or estimations from players?
2) What do you mean by 'not measure'?

Anyway, these are very useful information.

/\ good looks chart,much better than my presentation !
For questions:
1/Not from game filing system,these numbers derived from Chinese players plotting data in professional software such as open office and excell to derive proper formula or estimation.Not perfect,not exact but quick close estimation.They try to derive fomulation for prediction of total damage involving all variables such as terrain,unit,morale,general,skills and more..all at once.

Interesting read,for example they arrived to crazyness estimation that general Murat capability maximum damage at 400 + under perfect conditions.I can post more of what was done if wanted.

2/Not measured:means original tester not feel patient enough to gather 20~50 data point per each unit versus unit for that class.Meaning it was felt fortress damage against other units for example too much boring to bother seed data for it.

Last Edit: Sept 10, 2015 1:57:09 GMT by Eastern empire

saltin
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 10, 2015 19:04:36 GMT via mobile

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Post by saltin on Sept 10, 2015 19:04:36 GMT

This shows artillery rockets quiet a bit better than most players give it credit for specially against cavalry.

And ofcourse armored car just plain rocks has similar stats to machine gun but has decent mibility to go with it.

edling Staff Sergeant Posts: 13	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 20, 2015 19:34:03 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by edling on Sept 20, 2015 19:34:03 GMT Thanks. Interesting... no difference between light and heavy artillery.. heavy art is probably not worth the higher cost since move is one hex less as well.

lassalle
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Sept 22, 2015 11:41:04 GMT via mobile

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Post by lassalle on Sept 22, 2015 11:41:04 GMT

Sept 20, 2015 19:34:03 GMT edling said:

Thanks. Interesting... no difference between light and heavy artillery.. heavy art is probably not worth the higher cost since move is one hex less as well.

This is just the bonus damage,heavy artillery base damage is still higher than that of light artillery.

Also some countries have an additional bonus damage based on nationality that was not covered by the OP.

nooblord Captain Posts: 54	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Oct 19, 2015 23:02:26 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nooblord on Oct 19, 2015 23:02:26 GMT Very interesting... says lots of things the game doesn't mention

wangchengxy Captain Posts: 65	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Nov 24, 2015 3:57:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by wangchengxy on Nov 24, 2015 3:57:46 GMT It's my data, but incomplete.

Napoleon Bonaparte Darth Vader Posts: 2,294	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Nov 24, 2015 4:05:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Nov 24, 2015 4:05:29 GMT ^ you mean to say you are eastern empire???

kanue Global Moderator Posts: 1,796	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Nov 24, 2015 4:32:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kanue on Nov 24, 2015 4:32:35 GMT I think Eastern empire might took data from Chinese forum which was originally post by wangchengxy . And yeah, it's incomplete. Will need to update it.
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wangchengxy
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Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Nov 24, 2015 9:31:28 GMT

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Post by wangchengxy on Nov 24, 2015 9:31:28 GMT

Nov 24, 2015 4:32:35 GMT kanue said:

I think Eastern empire might took data from Chinese forum which was originally post by wangchengxy .
And yeah, it's incomplete. Will need to update it.

Your tabel looked nice, but is incomplete. I made a new tabel. I will ask Eternal to send to here.

Erich von Manstein Global Moderator Verlorene Siege Posts: 5,488	Unit vs unit bonus/penalty Nov 24, 2015 15:54:12 GMT kanue likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 24, 2015 15:54:12 GMT Here it is.
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