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Post by badoglioisinsane on Jan 15, 2017 14:52:28 GMT
Can you guys suggest me a tier 2 artillery general?
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 15, 2017 15:04:53 GMT
Scharnhorst. Don't count IAP generals and princess, he is the best
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 15, 2017 18:07:24 GMT
Scharnhorst. Don't count IAP generals and princess, he is the best If you're planning to keep your artillery general, by all means Scharnhorst. Accurate = kills efficiently on rough ground; Engineering, inbuilt +2 movement, that's got to help. Compare and contrast Kutaisov, lowest tier, has only one artillery star fewer, is much cheaper, and has siege master and explosive as his other powers (they share Artillery Trainer).
See where each has his strengths - if you want someone geared towards killing city defenders to supplement Sophia (or until you get her), Kutaisov may be your man. If you need someone who can fight on the run and kill enemy troops or rocket enemy artillery as a one-shot in difficult terrain, Scharnhorst. If you want a throwaway that you can regroup into another general or a Princess without mourning too much over the medals you ground or bought with $$$$ to get him - Kutaisov.
The best thing to do might be to find a conquest in which your candidates are tavern generals, so you can have a play with them in combat and see how they handle before you plop down somewhere between 400 and 800 medals for them.
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 15, 2017 18:35:28 GMT
Compare between Kutaisov and Scharnhorst can be shorten by 1 ask: you have 6 or 4 slots?. 6 slots: Definitely Scharnhorst since he will be used until late game, even after getting Isabela. Your line will be: a cav gen(Dumo,Sulkowski,Raevsky...),Sophia,Scharnhorst, Isabela and others. His >900 medals cost won't be wasted. 4 slots:Kutaisov. Because 1 slot for cav, 1 for art, 1 for trainer and the last cav/art depends. Since your 1st art 90% is Sophia, then you shouldn't spend 900 medals for the one who will be gone IMMEDIATELY after Isabela come. Kutaisov then is better, around 450 only, hence can be gone anytime
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Post by junius on Jan 15, 2017 18:50:30 GMT
Compare between Kutaisov and Scharnhorst can be shorten by 1 ask: you have 6 or 4 slots?. 6 slots: Definitely Scharnhorst since he will be used until late game, even after getting Isabela. Your line will be: a cav gen(Dumo,Sulkowski,Raevsky...),Sophia,Scharnhorst, Isabela and others. His >900 medals cost won't be wasted. 4 slots:Kutaisov. Because 1 slot for cav, 1 for art, 1 for trainer and the last cav/art depends. Since your 1st art 90% is Sophia, then you shouldn't spend 900 medals for the one who will be gone IMMEDIATELY after Isabela come. Kutaisov then is better, around 450 only, hence can be gone anytime I personally dislike Scharnhorst- he's good, but you can get Isabela without him, at which point he's useless. At 6 slots, you can also afford to have Kate (at least till Victoria, so you're covered artillery -wise. For campaigns, another cavalry or even maybe an infantry general would be more useful than yet another artillery commander (although Sakurako is an exception because of her flexibility).
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 15, 2017 19:03:57 GMT
Well, I personally a fan of art gens, and I have purchased about 10 slots So slots aren't my problem. In American revolution, I remember using Sophia, Isabela, Scharnhorst, Kutaisov- all art gens I have and it was incredibly fun with me: swaping Snare drum+ gunpowder between gens and blow off everything. IMO, maybe for 4-5 slots Scharnhorst isn't needed, but from >6 he is good
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Post by junius on Jan 16, 2017 14:44:08 GMT
Well, I personally a fan of art gens, and I have purchased about 10 slots So slots aren't my problem. In American revolution, I remember using Sophia, Isabela, Scharnhorst, Kutaisov- all art gens I have and it was incredibly fun with me: swaping Snare drum+ gunpowder between gens and blow off everything. IMO, maybe for 4-5 slots Scharnhorst isn't needed, but from >6 he is good Dear Lord . If you have 10 slots, then buy, buy,buy!
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 17, 2017 16:28:17 GMT
Well, I personally a fan of art gens, and I have purchased about 10 slots So slots aren't my problem. In American revolution, I remember using Sophia, Isabela, Scharnhorst, Kutaisov- all art gens I have and it was incredibly fun with me: swaping Snare drum+ gunpowder between gens and blow off everything. IMO, maybe for 4-5 slots Scharnhorst isn't needed, but from >6 he is good The thing to bear in mind, though, is that unless you're playing for fun or a medal grind, your artillery generals need an escort of some kind - not for protection, but to be able to have someone who can enter the city in the same turn as you destroy its defenders. If two are working together, one can destroy and the other can occupy - but even then ideally you want someone who is either free to move, or who can kill and move if two artillerists are not enough. Thus cavalry are preferable to infantry, especially on a difficult target, as you can park them just outside the city, hit them with the artillery, and then finish them off with the cavalry & move to occupy instead of wasting time on save/reload. As she currently stands in my armoury, Sophia is 3* artillery and with no items is occasionally capable of one-shot 100-HP kills on coastal guns with rocket artillery. This makes me wonder if the troop-carrier item might not be a worthwhile purchase in some circumstances, especially if you put her up to four or five stars and give her a double rocket battery so there is no return fire. That complex of coastal artillery and heavy fort off the southeast coast of Spain comes to mind as a potential target for this sort of setup. It is also reminiscent of some of the landing craft at D-Day, which were IIRC set up to fire the artillery they were carrying in so they could provide inbuilt fire support to the landings as they approached (on a "drench the beaches with fire and hope it hits something" level) and then (unlike a warship) take those guns ashore for use inland. I have questions with opening more than 7 slots in total - six is as many generals as you can ever have in the field at once, plus a seventh slot for whatever trainer you're buying and then regrouping. The extras only seem worthwhile if you want to have a broad selection of generals to plop down into a situation to suit the circumstances, or (and this can overlap with that) you get sentimental over your princesses and don't want to let any of them go. That being said, I'm strongly considering it because at $1.00 a slot (plus exchange rates), that's far less than I've spent on some other games and unlike coughing up for medals, it'd be a one-off purchase that would provide vastly improved possibilities.
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 17, 2017 17:00:32 GMT
pathdoc Ofc you're right. Lots of arts means lots of protection. However, I only have Sulkowski 5* cav, and he alone is enough. Bf I get Lan, I have him,Sop,Scharn,Fatimah,Isabela,Kutaisov and Arnorld. Sul,Scharn,Isabela,Sop are already unmovable, so the other 3 will take 2 slots depend on situation. For instance, mission require $ for troops I will use Fatimah; when field need more fire I use Kutaisov and when starter troops have Imperial Guard I use Arnold (or I just need him buy sth). And then I get kate for SNS camp. At this rate, you may ask why I keep Fatimah but just a simple answer: I want to have a full 8 princess line. So I have 8 guys but they're all still needed for me. Then I had Lan and regrouped Kutaisov since 2 cav +Sop+Isa+Scharn+someone not Kutaisov. However Arnord is still my only inf so I didnt regroupe him yet. Finally, I got Victoria, regroup Arnorld and summon all the princess in my line. That's 8+Scharn+Sul=10
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 1:13:27 GMT
pathdoc Ofc you're right. Lots of arts means lots of protection. However, I only have Sulkowski 5* cav, and he alone is enough. Bf I get Lan, I have him,Sop,Scharn,Fatimah,Isabela,Kutaisov and Arnorld. Sul,Scharn,Isabela,Sop are already unmovable, so the other 3 will take 2 slots depend on situation. For instance, mission require $ for troops I will use Fatimah; when field need more fire I use Kutaisov and when starter troops have Imperial Guard I use Arnold (or I just need him buy sth). And then I get kate for SNS camp. At this rate, you may ask why I keep Fatimah but just a simple answer: I want to have a full 8 princess line. So I have 8 guys but they're all still needed for me. Then I had Lan and regrouped Kutaisov since 2 cav +Sop+Isa+Scharn+someone not Kutaisov. However Arnord is still my only inf so I didnt regroupe him yet. Finally, I got Victoria, regroup Arnorld and summon all the princess in my line. That's 8+Scharn+Sul=10 Maria is literally trash- a waste of a slot. So is Fatimah tbh.
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 18, 2017 1:25:44 GMT
pathdoc Ofc you're right. Lots of arts means lots of protection. However, I only have Sulkowski 5* cav, and he alone is enough. Bf I get Lan, I have him,Sop,Scharn,Fatimah,Isabela,Kutaisov and Arnorld. Sul,Scharn,Isabela,Sop are already unmovable, so the other 3 will take 2 slots depend on situation. For instance, mission require $ for troops I will use Fatimah; when field need more fire I use Kutaisov and when starter troops have Imperial Guard I use Arnold (or I just need him buy sth). And then I get kate for SNS camp. At this rate, you may ask why I keep Fatimah but just a simple answer: I want to have a full 8 princess line. So I have 8 guys but they're all still needed for me. Then I had Lan and regrouped Kutaisov since 2 cav +Sop+Isa+Scharn+someone not Kutaisov. However Arnord is still my only inf so I didnt regroupe him yet. Finally, I got Victoria, regroup Arnorld and summon all the princess in my line. That's 8+Scharn+Sul=10 Maria is literally trash- a waste of a slot. So is Fatimah tbf. I know. Nearly half of the princess I put in my line just for decoration.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jan 18, 2017 1:31:25 GMT
pathdoc Ofc you're right. Lots of arts means lots of protection. However, I only have Sulkowski 5* cav, and he alone is enough. Bf I get Lan, I have him,Sop,Scharn,Fatimah,Isabela,Kutaisov and Arnorld. Sul,Scharn,Isabela,Sop are already unmovable, so the other 3 will take 2 slots depend on situation. For instance, mission require $ for troops I will use Fatimah; when field need more fire I use Kutaisov and when starter troops have Imperial Guard I use Arnold (or I just need him buy sth). And then I get kate for SNS camp. At this rate, you may ask why I keep Fatimah but just a simple answer: I want to have a full 8 princess line. So I have 8 guys but they're all still needed for me. Then I had Lan and regrouped Kutaisov since 2 cav +Sop+Isa+Scharn+someone not Kutaisov. However Arnord is still my only inf so I didnt regroupe him yet. Finally, I got Victoria, regroup Arnorld and summon all the princess in my line. That's 8+Scharn+Sul=10 Maria is literally trash- a waste of a slot. So is Fatimah tbf. I don't think calling Fatimah, a commonly used princess, trash is "Fair" perhaps you meant TBH? Honest? I don't plan on using Fatima to be fair, and Maria IS trash. Like your profile picture BTW.
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Post by dain on Jan 18, 2017 9:15:49 GMT
Have to disagree with you. I use only princesses exclusively (and for their chase I haven't bought any other generals - save from the tavern ones).
This is my point of view (assuming all Princesses are upgraded to 5-star in their key military area)
Lan - the best cavalry general in the game, period.
Victoria, Sophia, Kate, Isabela - all belong to the top, comparable with tier 3 generals, and Kate is probably the best naval general.
Maria can be a beast, when upgraded to 5-star infantry and placed to triple quards. She is of course much worse than Suvorov/Victoria, but I'd never say she's trash.
Sakurako is universal. I use her as cavalry general, and she's quite decent. Put her in guards cavalry or armored car and she will be devastating.
Fatimah is really nearly useless. I use her only for economy boost, and (after upgrading to 5-star in fort ), she is useful in U.S. Great Sea Warfare scenario.
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 9:48:37 GMT
Maria is literally trash- a waste of a slot. So is Fatimah tbf. I don't think calling Fatimah, a commonly used princess, trash is "Fair" perhaps you meant TBH? Honest? I don't plan on using Fatima to be fair, and Maria IS trash. Like your profile picture BTW. Good catch, autocorrect is a piece of work. Thanks
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 9:53:38 GMT
Have to disagree with you. I use only princesses exclusively (and for their chase I haven't bought any other generals - save from the tavern ones). This is my point of view (assuming all Princesses are upgraded to 5-star in their key military area) Lan - the best cavalry general in the game, period. Victoria, Sophia, Kate, Isabela - all belong to the top, comparable with tier 3 generals, and Kate is probably the best naval general. Maria can be a beast, when upgraded to 5-star infantry and placed to triple quards. She is of course much worse than Suvorov/Victoria, but I'd never say she's trash. Sakurako is universal. I use her as cavalry general, and she's quite decent. Put her in guards cavalry or armored car and she will be devastating. Fatimah is really nearly useless. I use her only for economy boost, and (after upgrading to 5-star in fort ), she is useful in U.S. Great Sea Warfare scenario. I agree with you on everything except Maria. You're paying at least 800 medals to get her 5* when Dobeln is much better for a similar price (and doesn't require a trainer slot). Hell, I'd even prefer a levelled up Zakrevsky or Hull, let alone a better general like Picton. Sakurako is actually my 2nd string cavalry general, main Infantry general, 2nd string admiral, and 3rd string artillery. She's good upto a point, but I have my eye on Berthier now. The only thing putting me off that course right now (besides the 800 extra I'll need to grind to get him) is my resulting weakness in infantry, but I think I can manage without her.
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