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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jan 18, 2017 9:58:14 GMT
junius, Maria has two things that Dobeln doesnt, and they are movement and training stars.
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 10:03:43 GMT
junius, Maria has two things that Dobeln doesnt, and they are movement and training stars. True, but Dobeln has mass fire. Tall boots rectify the former, and the latter isn't as important as it'd normally be precisely because of Mass Fire.
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Post by dain on Jan 18, 2017 10:53:37 GMT
The only thing putting me off that course right now (besides the 800 extra I'll need to grind to get him) is my resulting weakness in infantry, but I think I can manage without her. You can just use Maria But fair enough, I've thought about Maria star- and skill-wise, haven't thought of economy reasons (medals). Off topic: After finishing campaigns, I have 4 emblems left, didn't and won't buy any, so could you recommend me an interesting - not the best, but really only interesting - general, that can be improved upon? Again, this would be only for fun, as all my princesses are.
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 11:21:07 GMT
The only thing putting me off that course right now (besides the 800 extra I'll need to grind to get him) is my resulting weakness in infantry, but I think I can manage without her. You can just use Maria But fair enough, I've thought about Maria star- and skill-wise, haven't thought of economy reasons (medals). Off topic: After finishing campaigns, I have 4 emblems left, didn't and won't buy any, so could you recommend me an interesting - not the best, but really only interesting - general, that can be improved upon? Again, this would be only for fun, as all my princesses are. Well I'm only on Eastern Overlord . Berthier is pretty interesting tbh. He's got uber cav skills, but only 1 star. Might be interesting to use him as a cav commander without upgrading him.
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Post by dain on Jan 18, 2017 12:34:14 GMT
Thanks. I contemplated Poniatowski for his versatility, but I'm not going to pay for medals. Berthier is really interesting, with 5-star movement he should be able to move six hexes. I suppose it's mistake from Easytech, and he should have had 4-stars cavalry instead.
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 12:53:43 GMT
Thanks. I contemplated Poniatowski for his versatility, but I'm not going to pay for medals. Berthier is really interesting, with 5-star movement he should be able to move six hexes. I suppose it's mistake from Easytech, and he should have had 4-stars cavalry instead. I don't think so. They've got him on artillery in campaigns like all the time.
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 19, 2017 16:00:13 GMT
Have to disagree with you. I use only princesses exclusively (and for their chase I haven't bought any other generals - save from the tavern ones). This is my point of view (assuming all Princesses are upgraded to 5-star in their key military area) Lan - the best cavalry general in the game, period. Victoria, Sophia, Kate, Isabela - all belong to the top, comparable with tier 3 generals, and Kate is probably the best naval general. Maria can be a beast, when upgraded to 5-star infantry and placed to triple quards. She is of course much worse than Suvorov/Victoria, but I'd never say she's trash. Sakurako is universal. I use her as cavalry general, and she's quite decent. Put her in guards cavalry or armored car and she will be devastating. Fatimah is really nearly useless. I use her only for economy boost, and (after upgrading to 5-star in fort ), she is useful in U.S. Great Sea Warfare scenario. That would have been an interesting and impressive chase to see, especially since IIRC you can't use items on tavern and starter generals.
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Post by dain on Jan 20, 2017 10:00:30 GMT
Well, I try to describe it.
The chase for princesses with princesses is possible, but it is a long run (at least for me it was)...
You have to also play campaigns extensively, for ruling years depends on campaign progress, and you can find useful items there.
First one: Europe 1798, GB, no starting generals (I used Sidney from tavern, but even this isn't necessary). I divided my army and went to France, Spain, and Denmark. The key factor was that I had to disembark with line infantry at the shores of Greece and succeed against Ottomans here. Finished in 60+ turns, got Sophia. No campaign progress at the time.
Then Europe 1798, HRE, generals: Sophia (I made some progress in campaign, and upgraded her artillery stars, as well as get some powder and wheel). Sophia with Siege Artillery went through France and Spain fortresses and cities like knife through butter. Got Fatimah. After that, I use previous half-progress save, and used Fatimah from here (cavalry). She wasn't great, but even her was better than no general. After several finishing I find out that nobility range is important for years score, and began with farming (using Chain the Beast scenario). After both princesses went to level 10, I got Maria. During these conquests, I was finishing HRE campaign.
Then I try to get Kate, which I thought should be also easy: America 1775, U.S., generals: Sophia, Fatimah (cavalry), Maria. This conquest was probably just blind luck - I finished it very quickly: 22 turns (I managed to bring GB into economy crisis by stealing their farms). Got Kate and Sakurako. I have 400 years ruled Asia.
Again, Europe 1798, HRE, generals: Sophia, Maria, Sakurako. Got Isabela. Then after doing some progress in campaigns, I returned to previous America 1775 "golden" save, and after raising Kate's, Sakurako's, and Isabela's nobility, I went to 550 years ruled Asia and got Lan.
Last, Europe 1798, HRE, generals: Sakurako, Isabela, Lan. Got Victoria, but frankly, this was the most difficult conquest, I tried half a dozen attempts, and have to rely also on allies, which can be incredibly stupid sometimes (during one attempt, Denmark has completely obliterated Sweden for example).
During this time, I was finishing Sun Never Sets campaign. I wanted to finish SNS with Victoria, just for flavor, which I finally managed.
So, this type of chase can be interesting, although longer and more difficult.
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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Feb 20, 2017 15:50:13 GMT
Fatimah and Maria are just kept until better generals are bought. But then again, so is almost every general. Fatimah and Maria can actually be decent during mid-game. A sucky general is still better than no general.
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Post by Banastre Tarleton on Feb 20, 2017 18:28:46 GMT
I'd opine that Maria is a solid infantry general out of the box with her default movement being a plus, but not worth upgrading to 5* infantry because her output doesn't increase enough to warrant it. I'd suggest spending those medals instead on a Ferguson rifle, which you'll eventually want to have for Victoria.
Sakurako was a serviceable general for me (but I play 6-slots) and can't see her being in anyone's top-4 for long.
Fatimah really is useless isn't she? Her economic benefit was ok in a six-general campaign-field but I farmed her to 74/10 (I'd like to have that 15 minutes of my life back) and was actively experimenting with various combat roles to put her in. She pretty much failed at anything but being 4th string navy.
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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Feb 20, 2017 19:18:15 GMT
Yeah, Maria is worth using, at least she has formation and three stars infantry, useable at least. But fatimah...
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Feb 20, 2017 19:41:14 GMT
Yeah, Maria is worth using, at least she has formation and three stars infantry, useable at least. But fatimah... Fatimah is good at econ, which means she does best in 2* country conquests when you're building your economy
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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Feb 20, 2017 19:56:33 GMT
True, but I was aware that Napoleonic code did the same thing.
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Feb 20, 2017 19:59:44 GMT
True, but I was aware that Napoleonic code did the same thing. It replaces Econ Master, but not Architecture. I still don't recommend keeping Fatimah until endgame, but she has some redeeming qualities
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Post by Louis-Alexandre Berthier on Feb 20, 2017 20:02:11 GMT
Oh, ok.
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