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Post by huntmcd1 on Jan 18, 2017 18:21:02 GMT
I want to try it now but the most prominent suggestion seems to be 1798 as France. However, that requires going thro all of Europe to reach Moscow and crossing the channel and having to hunt to British boats. Wouldn't something like Austria 1815 be easier considering it borders the only 3 enemy nations? This is of course for people without princesses or really good generals yet.
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Post by junius on Jan 18, 2017 18:55:28 GMT
I want to try it now but the most prominent suggestion seems to be 1798 as France. However, that requires going thro all of Europe to reach Moscow and crossing the channel and having to hunt to British boats. Wouldn't something like Austria 1815 be easier considering it borders the only 3 enemy nations? This is of course for people without princesses or really good generals yet. A. 1798 is a small map. You don't have to deal with Egypt or North Africa. B. France has strong generals and many fronts, but it only gets attacked by HRE. If you're fast enough, you'll be completely on the offensive. C. Russia is a matter of marching. Britain's navy isn't that tough to deal with- the few ships that you must destroy are generally close to shore. D. In conclusion, as long as you're not shooting for Lan, Victoria, or Kate, France 1798 is the way to go. |
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 19, 2017 0:55:09 GMT
huntmcd1,Holy Roman Empire 1798 is often recommended for beginners chasing princesses, because it's central to everywhere and Russia and Britain are both allies, so if you can avoid being curbstomped by France early you are fine. I did it with one terrible cavalry general (don't ask) who died quickly and one okay artillery general (Carteaux), who I still have because his skills are biased towards increased movement and city cracking. Once I had Sophia, boosted her up a little and got Dumouriez and Kutaisov to help out (substituting Kutaisov in for Carteaux), I picked up the game I got Sophia from - thankfully I'd saved it at move 39 or something - and managed to finish it off quickly enough to win Fatimah. The key in my playthrough was to stand off from the French generals near my Western border, flank them to bring down their morale (a few have the leadership skill and are immune to this) and beat them down with artillery (in Napoleon's case rockets so he can't automatically return fire at the end of every turn). The fight tends to go out of France after this, but you have to get in there before the AI starts spamming forts otherwise you'll be forever mopping them up and never make the turn count. The trick is to hit three or four major cities or stables with your best people and spawn units from there to attack all the stuff around them, plus if possible to occupy their farms to throw them into confusion and starve them. Be aware though that this can't start to happen until their trade cities are captured and they can no longer swap gold/tech for food, but once it happens, the morale drop means they take damage faster and eventually become completely paralysed, not even firing back at you.
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Post by dain on Jan 19, 2017 10:55:39 GMT
I want to try it now but the most prominent suggestion seems to be 1798 as France. However, that requires going thro all of Europe to reach Moscow and crossing the channel and having to hunt to British boats. Wouldn't something like Austria 1815 be easier considering it borders the only 3 enemy nations? This is of course for people without princesses or really good generals yet. You can also try Europe 1798 as GB. You can divide your armies and attack France, Spain, and Denmark simultaneously. Ottoman empire is far away, but you have Nelson there. The key point is that you have to succesfully disembark at Greece (use Nelson battleship for attack) and to conquer some Ottoman city. If you manage to do this, you can finish the conquest under 65 turns quite easily. You don't even need generals - but you can buy them in taverns. |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Jan 19, 2017 11:02:55 GMT
France 1815 is also fine choice, I remember getting Sophia with it.
Perignon goes straight to Egypt after taking Sicily, Grouchy to Britain, Mcdobald to Spain, and the rest drive eastwards.
Additional generals would be useful but IMO not compulsory.
Austria 1815 might look nixe, but it has crappy generals.
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 19, 2017 11:34:48 GMT
huntmcd1,Holy Roman Empire 1798 is often recommended for beginners chasing princesses, because it's central to everywhere and Russia and Britain are both allies, so if you can avoid being curbstomped by France early you are fine. I did it with one terrible cavalry general (don't ask) who died quickly and one okay artillery general (Carteaux), who I still have because his skills are biased towards increased movement and city cracking. Once I had Sophia, boosted her up a little and got Dumouriez and Kutaisov to help out (substituting Kutaisov in for Carteaux), I picked up the game I got Sophia from - thankfully I'd saved it at move 39 or something - and managed to finish it off quickly enough to win Fatimah. The key in my playthrough was to stand off from the French generals near my Western border, flank them to bring down their morale (a few have the leadership skill and are immune to this) and beat them down with artillery (in Napoleon's case rockets so he can't automatically return fire at the end of every turn). The fight tends to go out of France after this, but you have to get in there before the AI starts spamming forts otherwise you'll be forever mopping them up and never make the turn count. The trick is to hit three or four major cities or stables with your best people and spawn units from there to attack all the stuff around them, plus if possible to occupy their farms to throw them into confusion and starve them. Be aware though that this can't start to happen until their trade cities are captured and they can no longer swap gold/tech for food, but once it happens, the morale drop means they take damage faster and eventually become completely paralysed, not even firing back at you. HRE 1798 ISN'T recommended for beginners, but for the one has some experience bf. Many front to deal with, and bunch of strong generals from France aren't hard but need some calculations. So as ppl france 98 is easier. Just dont get why GB is consider easy, cuz I feel uncomfortable to cross the sea. |
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 19, 2017 11:44:24 GMT
Only mentioning it as I did HRE as a complete hopeless noob & scored Sophia.
For some reason I cannot name, I am extremely averse to playing as France. In campaign mode it is unavoidable; in conquest mode I recoil from it.
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Post by junius on Jan 19, 2017 15:02:40 GMT
Only mentioning it as I did HRE as a complete hopeless noob & scored Sophia. For some reason I cannot name, I am extremely averse to playing as France. In campaign mode it is unavoidable; in conquest mode I recoil from it. Interesting. I have the exact same aversion to HRE. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Jan 24, 2017 15:36:42 GMT
huntmcd1,Holy Roman Empire 1798 is often recommended for beginners chasing princesses, because it's central to everywhere and Russia and Britain are both allies, so if you can avoid being curbstomped by France early you are fine. I did it with one terrible cavalry general (don't ask) who died quickly and one okay artillery general (Carteaux), who I still have because his skills are biased towards increased movement and city cracking. Once I had Sophia, boosted her up a little and got Dumouriez and Kutaisov to help out (substituting Kutaisov in for Carteaux), I picked up the game I got Sophia from - thankfully I'd saved it at move 39 or something - and managed to finish it off quickly enough to win Fatimah. The key in my playthrough was to stand off from the French generals near my Western border, flank them to bring down their morale (a few have the leadership skill and are immune to this) and beat them down with artillery (in Napoleon's case rockets so he can't automatically return fire at the end of every turn). The fight tends to go out of France after this, but you have to get in there before the AI starts spamming forts otherwise you'll be forever mopping them up and never make the turn count. The trick is to hit three or four major cities or stables with your best people and spawn units from there to attack all the stuff around them, plus if possible to occupy their farms to throw them into confusion and starve them. Be aware though that this can't start to happen until their trade cities are captured and they can no longer swap gold/tech for food, but once it happens, the morale drop means they take damage faster and eventually become completely paralysed, not even firing back at you. HRE? For beginners? Oh, hell no! It's boring, too many fronts with aggressive enemy AI, and those French Generals are too good. As for your generals, it's just Archduke Charles. France and GB are far more noob-friendly. |
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Post by huykhoi2000 on Jan 24, 2017 16:05:23 GMT
Just wondering why many ppl call HRE boring. By which standard? So easy?
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Post by junius on Jan 24, 2017 16:07:32 GMT
huntmcd1,Holy Roman Empire 1798 is often recommended for beginners chasing princesses, because it's central to everywhere and Russia and Britain are both allies, so if you can avoid being curbstomped by France early you are fine. I did it with one terrible cavalry general (don't ask) who died quickly and one okay artillery general (Carteaux), who I still have because his skills are biased towards increased movement and city cracking. Once I had Sophia, boosted her up a little and got Dumouriez and Kutaisov to help out (substituting Kutaisov in for Carteaux), I picked up the game I got Sophia from - thankfully I'd saved it at move 39 or something - and managed to finish it off quickly enough to win Fatimah. The key in my playthrough was to stand off from the French generals near my Western border, flank them to bring down their morale (a few have the leadership skill and are immune to this) and beat them down with artillery (in Napoleon's case rockets so he can't automatically return fire at the end of every turn). The fight tends to go out of France after this, but you have to get in there before the AI starts spamming forts otherwise you'll be forever mopping them up and never make the turn count. The trick is to hit three or four major cities or stables with your best people and spawn units from there to attack all the stuff around them, plus if possible to occupy their farms to throw them into confusion and starve them. Be aware though that this can't start to happen until their trade cities are captured and they can no longer swap gold/tech for food, but once it happens, the morale drop means they take damage faster and eventually become completely paralysed, not even firing back at you. HRE? For beginners? Oh, hell no! It's boring, too many fronts with aggressive enemy AI, and those French Generals are too good. As for your generals, it's just Archduke Charles. France and GB are far more noob-friendly. Yeah- everyone else except maybe Lusignan is pure trash. I'm honestly shocked by how weak generals can possibly be. Klenau and Rosenburg are OK too. |
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Post by Farmer Doggo on Jan 24, 2017 16:24:17 GMT
You know it's bad when Rosenberg is considered okay in the group
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Post by junius on Jan 24, 2017 17:30:48 GMT
You know it's bad when Rosenberg is considered okay in the group Exactly. I loathe HRE because the generals are just deal breakers. |
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Post by pathdoc on Jan 25, 2017 12:43:05 GMT
huntmcd1 ,Holy Roman Empire 1798 is often recommended for beginners chasing princesses, because it's central to everywhere and Russia and Britain are both allies, so if you can avoid being curbstomped by France early you are fine. I did it with one terrible cavalry general (don't ask) who died quickly and one okay artillery general (Carteaux), who I still have because his skills are biased towards increased movement and city cracking. Once I had Sophia, boosted her up a little and got Dumouriez and Kutaisov to help out (substituting Kutaisov in for Carteaux), I picked up the game I got Sophia from - thankfully I'd saved it at move 39 or something - and managed to finish it off quickly enough to win Fatimah. The key in my playthrough was to stand off from the French generals near my Western border, flank them to bring down their morale (a few have the leadership skill and are immune to this) and beat them down with artillery (in Napoleon's case rockets so he can't automatically return fire at the end of every turn). The fight tends to go out of France after this, but you have to get in there before the AI starts spamming forts otherwise you'll be forever mopping them up and never make the turn count. The trick is to hit three or four major cities or stables with your best people and spawn units from there to attack all the stuff around them, plus if possible to occupy their farms to throw them into confusion and starve them. Be aware though that this can't start to happen until their trade cities are captured and they can no longer swap gold/tech for food, but once it happens, the morale drop means they take damage faster and eventually become completely paralysed, not even firing back at you. HRE? For beginners? Oh, hell no! It's boring, too many fronts with aggressive enemy AI, and those French Generals are too good. As for your generals, it's just Archduke Charles. France and GB are far more noob-friendly. On the basis that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I didn't do too badly. Yes there are some nervous moments near the start where you wonder if you're going to make it through alive (hardly boring), but once you do, you're fine. The BIG advantage of HRE is that you have rapid access to all fronts, not far to march, and a good chance of going everywhere and killing everything in time to pick up at least one princess. The big thing of course is that whichever side you pick, you have to beat either Russia or the Ottoman Empire. One involves distance and some quite reasonable generals; the other involves mountainous terrain which may be the reason the programmers gave us War Horse. And Istanbul can be a hard nut to crack. |
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Post by Thrawn on Mar 5, 2017 7:54:01 GMT
After three months I only have Sophia, Fatimah and Kate  |
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