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Post by Suvorov on Oct 2, 2015 15:20:26 GMT
Congratulations with your promotion general Mountbatten!
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 2, 2015 20:26:23 GMT
Okay, this ones a very large topic and could be its own independent lecture, but I will try to do the best I can. Today will be about the Russian Civil War/Revolution. We will be talking about the Russian Civil War, the causes of the war, why the whites lost and why the Reds won, the Russo-Polish War, the Finnish Civil War and the Intervention of foreign powers. First off, the causes of the war go far back in Russian History. While we could just trace it to WWI, it goes a little farther back. For centuries, Russian peasants were tied to land they didn't own and were forced to work for others (virtually serfdom, or for American readers, it was like Slavery). By 1861, only two civilized nations, the U.S and Russia, allowed one man to own another, and force him to work against his will. In that year, Serfdom was abolished in the Russian Empire. Vestiges of the old system remained, however. Added to that was that there were virtually no reforms made at all unlike other powers such as Britain and Germany. The tipping point finally came when WWI erupted. By 1917, Russia was losing land on every front except for the Middle Eastern. The February Revolution occurred in 1917 which overthrew Tsar Nicholas II and installed a provisional government with a parliament led by Alexander Kerensky. The Bolsheviks did not play any huge role in this first revolution. The provisional government did not take Russia out of the war, however, which made them unfavorable in the views of the Russian people. Meanwhile, the Germans were worried about the entry of America into the war and wanted to get Russia out of the war quickly so they could take out France before large amounts of American reinforcements arrived. Thus, they allowed a Russian exile from Switzerland, named Vladimir Lenin, to take a train to Russia and overthrow the government. Vladimir LeninThe october Revolution in November of 1917 saw the Bolsheviks (I'll be calling them reds from here on out) overthrow the provisional government in Petrograd and seize control of the government. The White movement was established the day after as a resistance to the Reds. Next, we'll talk about why the Whites lost and why the Reds won. White Advantages:Had support of the newly victorious European powers White Disadvantages:Separated by huge distances, unable to coordinate their attacks, poor supplies Red advantages:Had control of Russia's industrial core (I.e, Moscow, Minsk, Smolensk, etc.), more available men, concentrated in one area for the most part Red disadvantage:Heavily stricken by famine, didn't have support of European powers. the Whites were separated by extremely large distances. Due to this, it was hard to coordinate with each other. For example, one white general is in the Baltic area, while another is in the Urals. They have to both attack the Reds in Moscow simultaneously. Neither of the generals is able to communicate with the other, however, and thus their attacks on Moscow are not as strong as they could be. Also, the Reds had control of Russia's industrial core, where the Whites only had control of virtually worthless Siberia as well as some areas in the Caucasus, Ukraine and the Baltics. Finally, the Reds had a unified cause. Everyone in the Red army was fighting for Bolshevik takeover. The whites, however, had many different goals in mind. Some wanted to restore the Russia monarchy, some wanted a democracy, some wanted to liberate their country they lived which had been part of the Russian empire for centuries. As a result, a lot of infighting occurred. Next, the intervention of Foreign powers. After the civil war began, Britain, France, America, Japan, along with smaller forces such as the Czechoslovak legion, Poland, and the Baltic states, all intervened and fought the Reds. France attacked from the Black Sea, Britain occupied the ports of Murmansk and Archaenglsk in the North, and America, Japan and Britain invaded Vladivostok and Siberia in the East. The Czechoslovak Legion took parts of the Trans-Siberian railroad, and the poles and the Baltic states fought in Western Russia. All of the major powers eventually left in 1920, except for Japan. Okay, let's get this finished up and talk about the Western wars with the Poles and Finns. The Russo-Polish War began in 1919 and ended in 1922. The Russians launched an offensive all the way to Warsaw but were repulsed. The war ended with Poland gaining ethnic Polish land along with some Belarusian and Ukrainian Land. The Finnish Civil War began in 1918 when they gained independence from Russia. It was between the Reds and the Whites. It was a proxy war between the Germans, who supported the whites, and the Soviets, who supported the Reds. The Germans were able to help the whites take Helsinki and the southern portions and win the war.
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 2, 2015 20:50:32 GMT
Liked the revolution, but you didn't mention anything about the next topic
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 2, 2015 21:02:56 GMT
Liked the revolution, but you didn't mention anything about the next topic Sorry about not mentioning the next topic. The next topic will either be Austria-Hungarys successor states or the Turkish Wars of Independence. If you mean that I didn't talk much about the Civil War, I mean to give a general overview of the political situation of this era. I would like to do another lecture about this period in Russian history just by itself. I can go more into detail wh that happens either when this lecture ends or the next planned lecture will end.
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 2, 2015 21:11:26 GMT
Well I meant that you didn't mention about the forthcoming lecture, you can do Austria Hungary or else the tempo might be broken
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Post by Moreau on Oct 3, 2015 13:28:00 GMT
Thanks for teaching me master
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 3, 2015 21:41:42 GMT
Evening everyone! Sorry for the delay today! Today, we'll be talking about the Balkans, specifically Austria-Hungary after WWI. Well be talking about the treaties dealing with Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria, the Romanian-Hungarian of 1919, and the Balkan Pact of 1934. First and foremost, the treaties dealing with Austria-Hungary. After WWI, the already extremely weak Austro-Hungarian Empire was partitioned and split up. There were two treaties:The Treaty of Saint-Germain en Laye, which dealt with the Austrian portion of the empire, and the Treaty of Trianon, which dealt with the Hungarian portion. Trieste, South Tyrol and some portions of Dalmatia were given to Italy, Czechoslovakia and the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs were given independence (The state of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs unfied with Serbia shortly after independence to form Yugoslavia), Galicia was given to Poland, Transylvania was given to Romania, and Vojvodina was given to Serbia. What was left were the independent states of Austria and Hungary. Also, a noteworthy part of the treaty of Saint-Garmain en Laye was that Germany could not annex Austria in an Anuschless (which we'll talk about later). There was also originally going to be land ceded to the Swiss, but they declined. Next off, the Romanian-Hungarian War of 1919. After WWI, a communist government took power in Hungary and proclaimed the Soviet Republic of Hungary. They then resisted the allied attempt to assert the treaty of trianons terms. The war pitted the Hungarian Soviet Republic up against Romania, France, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. An initial Romanian offensive into Hungary in 1918 was repulsed. Then, the Hungarians invaded Slovakia and created a puppet government named the Slovak Soviet Republic. The Czechoslovaks then retook their land soon after. A second Romanian offensive into Hungary was successful, even taking Budapest. They stopped at the Hungarian city of Gyor and negotiations began. The end result was more land for Romania and the asserting of the treaty's terms. Finally, the Balkan Pact of 1934! The Balkan Pact consisted of Romania, Greece, Turkey and Yugoslavia. It was a military pact. There were initial attempts at getting Italy, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary, and the USSR into the pact, but they all declined mainly due to their desire to expand their borders. One very important thing the Pact did was allow Bulgaria to build up their military. After WWI, the Treaty of Neuilly was signed to deal with Bulgaria. They lost Macedonia to Greece and had to give some land to Yugoslavia. They also somehow got land from Turkey. But the important thing is that their military had to be reduced dramatically. The Balkan Pact allowed Bulgaria to build up their military, which in hindsight...wasn't exactly the best thing for these countries to do...I'm pretty sure Suvorov will talk about Bulgaria in WWII and its impact in the war. Tomorrow will be the Turkish Wars of Independence! Guys, just sort of thinking ahead here, which one of these options would you like to see for the next lecture so I can plan ahead: 1.Russian Revolution 2.The Holocaust 3.Victorian Era 4.Cold War 5.WWI Thanks for telling me!
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 4, 2015 6:48:00 GMT
I'm really wanna know what will be on about the Turkish War for Independence. Afterall my ancestors' are from Turkish territory (not Turks though).
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 4, 2015 12:22:16 GMT
Cold war is my field of expertise. Let's see what I can learn! Or should I help you and make a lecture about the Interbellum so you have some less work to do?
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 4, 2015 12:44:01 GMT
Cold war is my field of expertise. Let's see what I can learn! Or should I help you and make a lecture about the Interbellum so you have some less work to do? Nah, I'm fine with Interbellum. I may need some help with the Cold War. I know a lot about the Proxy Wars as well as the McCarthy trials in the US, but I'd appreciate help for the rest. Unrelated note:Will you talk about Bulgaria in WWII? Or should I just edit my lecture to add that Bulgaria then invaded Yugoslavia and Greece in 1941 along with the Nazis?
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 4, 2015 12:44:18 GMT
I'm really wanna know what will be on about the Turkish War for Independence. Afterall my ancestors' are from Turkish territory (not Turks though). You'll find out later today my friend!
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 4, 2015 13:13:52 GMT
Cold war is my field of expertise. Let's see what I can learn! Or should I help you and make a lecture about the Interbellum so you have some less work to do? Nah, I'm fine with Interbellum. I may need some help with the Cold War. I know a lot about the Proxy Wars as well as the McCarthy trials in the US, but I'd appreciate help for the rest. Unrelated note:Will you talk about Bulgaria in WWII? Or should I just edit my lecture to add that Bulgaria then invaded Yugoslavia and Greece in 1941 along with the Nazis? Sorry, I meant the Cold War. The Bulgarians followed the Wehrmacht after Operation Marita and they didn't participate in the operation itself "The Bulgarian Army entered Greece on 20 April 1941 on the heels of the Wehrmacht without having fired a shot and eventually occupied the whole of northeastern Greece, Eastern Macedonia and Western Thrace, except for the Evros prefecture, at the border with Turkey, which was occupied by the Germans. Unlike Germany and Italy, Bulgaria officially annexed the occupied territories, which had long been a target of Bulgarian irredentism, on 14 May 1941.[24]"
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Post by Haelicon on Oct 4, 2015 13:24:17 GMT
About WWI please, I got so focused with WWII that I don't even know about the basics or general timeline of WWI. I would like to learn more about it
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 4, 2015 14:26:19 GMT
About WWI please, I got so focused with WWII that I don't even know about the basics or general timeline of WWI. I would like to learn more about it well you and me are nearly same in the ww1 thing
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 5, 2015 20:08:29 GMT
Today:The Turkish Wars of Independence! We will be learning about the Turkish portion of the Treaty of Sevres, Moustapha Kemal, the Turco-Armenian, Franco-Turkish, and Greco-Turkish wars, and the Treaty of Lausanne. First, the Treaty of Sevres. After WWI, the Ottomans initially had to give up virtually all of thier land. We will go more in depth into that when we talk about the Middle East, but for now:just the Turkish portion. Basically, this is what happened:Greece would take Thrace and Izmir, Italy would gain a colony in Southwestern Turkey near the Dodecanese, France would gain some Southeastern land, the newly created state of Armenia would gain Turkish lands to the East, Britain took small portions of Kurdistan and Istanbul would be a DMZ. The Ottoman Empire was reduced to a small amount of land near Ankara. Problems arose among these different powers carving up Turkey, however. Italy pulled out of the Treaty after several border disagreements with Greece. Next, Moustapha Kemal/Kemal Ataturk. I don't typically focus on one person for a lecture, but in order to understand the Turkish Wars of Independence, you really need to know this one guy as well. Moustapha Kemal was a very big Turkish Nationalist and was member of the Young Turk Party which took over the Ottoman government in 1908. Kemal was also a military strategist, and a good one at that. He was in charge of Turkish forces at Gallipoli and was excellent at resisting the Anzac forces. After the war, the Ottoman Empire fell into chaos and ruin. Along with other disgruntled Turks, he formed the National Congress of Turkey shortly after the war ended. This organization grew extremely powerful and was the main force for the liberation of Turkey. In essence, I'd refer to Moustapha Kemal as the Otto Von Bismarck of Turkey. Next, we're going to be talking about all three of the wars which gave Turkey its independence:The Franco-Turkish, The Turco-Armenian and the Greco-Turkish. The Turco-Armenian War was between the newly independent state of Armenia and Kemals forces. The Western European powers initially helped the Armenians, but withdrew their support after the Turks won multiple significant victories over the Armenians. The Turks also received financial and military help from the Soviets in the Armenian campaign, as while Kemals forces took back the Turkish land they claimed, the Soviets marched into Yerevan and turned it into a communist republic. Next was the Franco-Turkish War, which saw heavy fighting in Southeastern Turkey near the Syrian border. The Turks again won multiple victories. Due to public pressure to demobilize the French military and to stop fighting, the Prime Minister of France starts to negotiate with Kemal. After one year of fighting with the Turks, the French officially recognize Kemals government in Ankara and no longer deal with the Ottoman Sultan. The British are furious. Only one more country remains to fight the Turks:The Greeks, who had been fighting the Turks since 1919. By 1920, the Greek king takes personal control of the Greek military and launches a brilliant campaign against the Turks which drives them back toward Ankara. In 1921, Kemal asks the National Congress of Turkey to give him dictatorial powers for one month to drive back the Greeks. The congress agrees. Kemal then strikes at the Greek supply lines. Fearing that his army may be stripped of supplies, King Constantine of Greece decides to fall back. After pushing back the enemy, the Turks spend a whole year making supplies and weapons for a huge counterattack. In 1922, the Turks attack Izmir following the railway line to the city and North toward the City of Bursa. The Greeks are quickly pushed back and evacuate at Izmir. Finally, the Treaty of Lausanne. After the Greeks evacuate Anatolia at Izmir, the Turks prepare for an assault on Istanbul, now occupied by British troops. The British government does not want to be involved in another war and thus negotiates with Kemal. In 1923, a treaty is signed in Swiss city of Lausanne which ends the conflict in turkey. Kemals turkeys is now recognized by all of Europe and proclaims itself the Republic of Turkey with Moustapha Kemal as its first president. Okay, so it seems likes people either want the Cold War or WWI, so please choose one of these two options.
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