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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 15, 2017 22:53:41 GMT
Desophaeus, please look at the list on page one of this thread
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Post by Desophaeus on May 15, 2017 23:04:03 GMT
Desophaeus, please look at the list on page one of this thread *checks* Strange... when you mentioned that the list was updated, I did look. I guess I might have been looking at an old cached page. It matters not now, thanks for attending to this.  |
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Post by Polenbal on May 16, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
so can polen into Aragon?
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Post by Polenbal on May 16, 2017 19:08:12 GMT
also how do you claim land i.e. in a war
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on May 16, 2017 23:12:12 GMT
also how do you claim land i.e. in a war How do you mean? Cause there is a prominent solution in my mind: ANSCHLUSS EVERYTHING IN YOUR PATH WITH THE MIGHT OF YOUR ARMIES But uh, other than that... Not sure what you mean. If the state/province you want doesn't have a majority ethnic population of your country, you don't really have a claim. Like Russia with Königsburg. So yeah. Conquer. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on May 16, 2017 23:48:40 GMT
also how do you claim land i.e. in a war How do you mean? Cause there is a prominent solution in my mind: ANSCHLUSS EVERYTHING IN YOUR PATH WITH THE MIGHT OF YOUR ARMIES But uh, other than that... Not sure what you mean. If the state/province you want doesn't have a majority ethnic population of your country, you don't really have a claim. Like Russia with Königsburg. So yeah. Conquer. Considering this is ye olde times, you can also press blood claims, concerning hereditary succession. Something like what happened in the Hundred Years War. In the end of the day, what matters isn't the validity of your claim, but your ability to enforce it. Malta might hold the true heir to Byz, but Rum has a better chance of taking it due to its strength, despite having no blood ties or ethnic ties to Byz. Mongols went to Hungary and Poland, despite having no reason to be there. Another thing to consider is religous claims. All Catholic nations would probably have an automatic claim to Jerusalem, because Deus Vult (and the Pope commands it). The Islamic Prophet once said that the Muslims would conquer Constantinople, giving a claim in all Muslim nations. The list goes on.... Fabricating claims is easier here than say, the 20th Century. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 17, 2017 0:09:26 GMT
How do you mean? Cause there is a prominent solution in my mind: ANSCHLUSS EVERYTHING IN YOUR PATH WITH THE MIGHT OF YOUR ARMIES But uh, other than that... Not sure what you mean. If the state/province you want doesn't have a majority ethnic population of your country, you don't really have a claim. Like Russia with Königsburg. So yeah. Conquer. Considering this is ye olde times, you can also press blood claims, concerning hereditary succession. Something like what happened in the Hundred Years War. In the end of the day, what matters isn't the validity of your claim, but your ability to enforce it. Malta might hold the true heir to Byz, but Rum has a better chance of taking it due to its strength, despite having no blood ties or ethnic ties to Byz. Mongols went to Hungary and Poland, despite having no reason to be there. Another thing to consider is religous claims. All Catholic nations would probably have an automatic claim to Jerusalem, because Deus Vult (and the Pope commands it). The Islamic Prophet once said that the Muslims would conquer Constantinople, giving a claim in all Muslim nations. The list goes on.... Fabricating claims is easier here than say, the 20tj Century. I hope you didn't just suggest that the Later (or any) Sultanate of Rum is more capable than Byzantium. For one thing, pretty sure the Turks don't even have a navy/coastline right now, while Byzantine Navy is, if no longer (and it might be) the strongest in the Eastern Mediterranean, then at least one of the largest. Who is going to get Malta in such a war? Anyway, Based on the Prophet Muslims also claim far away (IRP) Ethiopia, and its a belief that they will take Rome, I believe. Meanwhile the Byzantine Empire could also claim Jerusalem, as it was a Byzantine Territory and I imagine Orthodox lived there. Not that I currently plan to invade. Egypt for sure is a Byzantine interest. Before the great betrayal the Byzantines occasionally worked with the Crusaders, even that far away. While international complaints COULD occur, such as from the Pope or neighbours, this is still the time of take what you can hold. The conqueror needs little excuse. Edit: unlike Christian states, and presumably muslim ones, the Mongols answer to nobody but themselves. Thus their taking Poland is just what they do. Edit Edit: In other words, both Catholics and Muslims can holy war pretty much any religious foreigner. The Byzantines can probably do that too, though the Emperor can just go secular. |
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on May 17, 2017 0:14:29 GMT
Anyone have a map of the period?
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Post by Bismarck Jr on May 17, 2017 0:16:01 GMT
What year this be
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on May 17, 2017 0:17:57 GMT
Considering this is ye olde times, you can also press blood claims, concerning hereditary succession. Something like what happened in the Hundred Years War. In the end of the day, what matters isn't the validity of your claim, but your ability to enforce it. Malta might hold the true heir to Byz, but Rum has a better chance of taking it due to its strength, despite having no blood ties or ethnic ties to Byz. Mongols went to Hungary and Poland, despite having no reason to be there. Another thing to consider is religous claims. All Catholic nations would probably have an automatic claim to Jerusalem, because Deus Vult (and the Pope commands it). The Islamic Prophet once said that the Muslims would conquer Constantinople, giving a claim in all Muslim nations. The list goes on.... Fabricating claims is easier here than say, the 20tj Century. I hope you didn't just suggest that the Later (or any) Sultanate of Rum is more capable than Byzantium. For one thing, pretty sure the Turks don't even have a navy/coastline right now, while Byzantine Navy is, if no longer (and it might be) the strongest in the Eastern Mediterranean, then at least one of the largest. Who is going to get Malta in such a war? Anyway, Based on the Prophet Muslims also claim far away (IRP) Ethiopia, and its a belief that they will take Rome, I believe. Meanwhile the Byzantine Empire could also claim Jerusalem, as it was a Byzantine Territory and I imagine Orthodox lived there. Not that I currently plan to invade. Egypt for sure is a Byzantine interest. Before the great betrayal the Byzantines occasionally worked with the Crusaders, even that far away. While international complaints COULD occur, such as from the Pope or neighbours, this is still the time of take what you can hold. The conqueror needs little excuse. Edit: unlike Christian states, and presumably muslim ones, the Mongols answer to nobody but themselves. Thus their taking Poland is just what they do. I used Rum as an example to my point. They have a better chance to get and hold Byz than Malta. I guess you agree with my points, then. What's to prevent everyone from turning to Mongols? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 17, 2017 0:26:01 GMT
Anyone have a map of the period? Well to confirm that Turks currently don't have a coastline, I used this websites map, tuned to 1180. geacron.com/home-en/?&sid=GeaCron130789It seems reasonable enough, accuracy is somewhat acceptable though I don't believe its perfect. For one thing, part of Crimea is represented as blank instead of Byzantine, even though later in the websites chronology it shows it as Byzantine. While the Stronk Italian city-states are on the map, the Holy Roman Empire is shown as one expanse. Thus anybody inside it is out of luck. Lol, much of Iberia is still held by the Moors. Time for Reconquista? Laurent de Gouvion, I see, I interpreted your one point backwards. Lol, the Knights of Malta were stronk, but their offensive power is low. Actually, I believe Sicily owns Malta right now. Not sure. I'm not actually sure if I can destroy the Turks, so your point is correct. If anybody is going to damage Byzantium, its them. Unfortunate that we have few accurate army counts from this period. I know how many the Byzantines can raise, but the Turks? The French? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 17, 2017 0:38:40 GMT
The year is 1180, as it says on the board page. 4 years ago the Byzantine Army was defeated at Myriokephalon. According to history this was the end of Byzantine ability to retake Central Anatolia, but I find this debatable, provided that different actions are taken than IRL. For one thing, the Byzantine army defeated the Seljuks the following year in 2 battles, and was able to cause a acceptable peace. The tactical situation remained about even. It really depends if Manuel I Komnenos dies this year like IRL, and if a stronk Byzantine Emperor replaces him instead of anarchy. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on May 17, 2017 1:20:08 GMT
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 17, 2017 1:28:20 GMT
Lol. Going on far away Crusades is what caused Byzantium to lose control of Eastern Anatolia, so I guess instead of asking for a piece of the olde Africa province I will wish my Iberian brothers(?) well on their reconquest. Then again. Should be easy to hold NPC territory.... In any case I hope for nothing less than the Iberian powers controlling all of, well, Iberia. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 18, 2017 14:55:53 GMT
also how do you claim land i.e. in a war Finally answering this. Hope you are still around, you logged in just yesterday so I'm probably being silly old Byz. If you are already planning to take certain land, the apparently universal way is to roll for it. It sounds harder than it is, as you must guess the odds and don't do things that are unrealistic. (Like take all of Russia in a single year of war, or heck a single attack  ) Example I want to take the city of Constantinople. Nah, I demand multiple rolls for THAT. Unless you got a 12, but I'd suggest rolling for the outer defences first anyway. I want to take the city of Naples Italy. The Italian player has declared he/she has 20,000 men, while I have 40,000. A reasonable roll would 5 or maybe even 4. You click on the dice in the far-right corner, last option. Edit: you should never go under 4 IMO, though in some extreme situations it could be ok) mTqT7GKn8, a pretty good roll. Since its a city, you could assume full losses for the enemy, or be kind and say some (a few thousand) got away. What did you lose? With such good rolls, maybe a few thousand at most. This is medieval times, a winning army usually wins by far. If it was 30,000 to 40,000, a 7 would make sense, a 6 at most. A even roll would be 7-8. 8 is probably pretty high. thats all for now I guess. Might edit this. · |
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