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Post by Frederick the Great on May 28, 2017 7:15:26 GMT
OOC .....This doesn't seem like the kind of RP where the distinction is so important (look at the ww1 RP for example) BUT its your choice. Alright. It's more about the whole future-seeing stuff, and also to avoid the "Picard is racist" mess from the WWI RP. I was talking in character, but y'all treated it as OOC. That's why I find it needed. A fair point. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 28, 2017 7:20:33 GMT
OOC .....This doesn't seem like the kind of RP where the distinction is so important (look at the ww1 RP for example) BUT its your choice. Alright. It's more about the whole future-seeing stuff, and also to avoid the "Picard is racist" mess from the WWI RP. I was talking in character, but y'all treated it as OOC. That's why I find it needed. Fair enough I guess. Its a minor alteration I suppose anyway. BTW I'm not sure if they liked it regardless, though it was at least somewhat realistic for the time, if I can remember the topic. As you know I consider some things unreasonable when exaggerated. Anyway I guess I can't godmod and say "Ayyubids don't care about dangerous Turks in the north getting rekt" but I still wonder if they are IN THIS MOMENT in that mindset. Ehh, its their choice to set Foreign policy, and its not super far-fetched. And its my choice to call up the (post) Legions and go ahead with it anyway. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on May 28, 2017 9:19:54 GMT
It's more about the whole future-seeing stuff, and also to avoid the "Picard is racist" mess from the WWI RP. I was talking in character, but y'all treated it as OOC. That's why I find it needed. Fair enough I guess. Its a minor alteration I suppose anyway. BTW I'm not sure if they liked it regardless, though it was at least somewhat realistic for the time, if I can remember the topic. As you know I consider some things unreasonable when exaggerated. Anyway I guess I can't godmod and say "Ayyubids don't care about dangerous Turks in the north getting rekt" but I still wonder if they are IN THIS MOMENT in that mindset. Ehh, its their choice to set Foreign policy, and its not super far-fetched. And its my choice to call up the (post) Legions and go ahead with it anyway. OOC: It seems that an Ayyubid vassal was married to the daughter of the Sultan of, though in 1180 he demanded a divorce. I'd say the Ayyubids do care for Rum in 1180, if only for blood connections. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 28, 2017 9:34:45 GMT
Fair enough I guess. Its a minor alteration I suppose anyway. BTW I'm not sure if they liked it regardless, though it was at least somewhat realistic for the time, if I can remember the topic. As you know I consider some things unreasonable when exaggerated. Anyway I guess I can't godmod and say "Ayyubids don't care about dangerous Turks in the north getting rekt" but I still wonder if they are IN THIS MOMENT in that mindset. Ehh, its their choice to set Foreign policy, and its not super far-fetched. And its my choice to call up the (post) Legions and go ahead with it anyway. OOC: It seems that an Ayyubid vassal was married to the daughter of the Sultan of, though in 1180 he demanded a divorce. I'd say the Ayyubids do care for Rum in 1180, if only for blood connections. OOC: Hmm. I haven't found any evidence of tensions between the Sultanate and Ayyubid, other than in the day of the GREAT sultanate of Rum, it clashed with the Ayyubids, at least through vassals. your point is valuable, even if its just a vassal marriage. I doubt the connection with Turkish converts can be that high, but it is realistic you declare holy war against me for that reason I guess. Even though I kill a potential rival. Anyway I'm rolling for Manuel dying in 1180 so you should roll for the Sultan rejecting that marriage (divorce) up to you of course. BTW, this isn't a exact comparison in terms of military power, but your population is over 7,000,000 and mine is over 11,000,000. At least I'm on the defensive lol, and you are stretched to the limit. Of course, if I attack Seljuk it could be different. And if those confused crusaders come... |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on May 28, 2017 15:06:44 GMT
If I'm being booted from Scotland, can I at least have Portugal?
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Post by Desophaeus on May 28, 2017 15:41:55 GMT
Semi-OOC/IC:
East Romans, if someone invites me into their party and promised to provide the refreshments but failed to make good on his word. SOMEBODY will have to pay, whether it be the host or someone else. It may fall on you to obligate for the refreshments. I mind not if the food comes from the purse of the Pope or the house of Komnenos. In the end, I insists on gold to feed my army, plain and simple.
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 28, 2017 15:48:34 GMT
Semi-OOC/IC: East Romans, if someone invites me into their party and promised to provide the refreshments but failed to make good on his word. SOMEBODY will have to pay, whether it be the host or someone else. It may fall on you to obligate for the refreshments. I mind not if the food comes from the purse of the Pope or the house of Komnenos. In the end, I insists on gold to feed my army, plain and simple. You are an English Mercenary Noble then? I've not invited you YET, but rest assured refreshments will be had. If we have anything we have that. Plenty of that... Long live the House of Komnenos! Heck, the Roman Empire seeks only Christian companionship in the west from this moment forward. Thus, Long Live the Pope! *is executed for denying orthodoxy* |
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Post by Polenbal on May 28, 2017 15:51:13 GMT
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 28, 2017 15:59:55 GMT
OOC:  Humph. Am already into Rome Empire! Well I've seen it claimed that Spain inherited the Roman Emperorship from Byzantium when it was defeated, so why not! THOUGH OF COURSE THAT NEVER HAPPENED! Plus you are the only Spaniard now, and like me you have lands rightfully yours to reclaim. I have everything south of Germany to reclaim but whatever In any case such things might be better discussed in a PM, though there is no law against doing so in public. Anyway to pick off from where I left off, when taking enemy countries we usually go by provinces or cities. For example taking smaller US states in one go, though some prefer many dice. Some list ahead of time, but thats rare. I plan to list the provinces of Rome, and I will request that enemies roll 2-3 times for Constantinople since I'm pretty sure its the most impressive fortification left on the planet, or at least in the region. (and the many walls of Constantinople have a better success ratio than the Great wall of China, which is in sheer size more impressive) |
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Post by Polenbal on May 28, 2017 16:04:00 GMT
OOC is castille NPC then?
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on May 29, 2017 3:47:28 GMT
OOC: It seems that an Ayyubid vassal was married to the daughter of the Sultan of, though in 1180 he demanded a divorce. I'd say the Ayyubids do care for Rum in 1180, if only for blood connections. OOC: Hmm. I haven't found any evidence of tensions between the Sultanate and Ayyubid, other than in the day of the GREAT sultanate of Rum, it clashed with the Ayyubids, at least through vassals. your point is valuable, even if its just a vassal marriage. I doubt the connection with Turkish converts can be that high, but it is realistic you declare holy war against me for that reason I guess. Even though I kill a potential rival. Anyway I'm rolling for Manuel dying in 1180 so you should roll for the Sultan rejecting that marriage (divorce) up to you of course. BTW, this isn't a exact comparison in terms of military power, but your population is over 7,000,000 and mine is over 11,000,000. At least I'm on the defensive lol, and you are stretched to the limit. Of course, if I attack Seljuk it could be different. And if those confused crusaders come... OOC: 1. That is Mountbatten's decision, not mine. He is the Sultan of Rum, and even with dice I can't godmod. 2. Population isn't that accurate measure of military strength in pre-modern times. Still, you'd be stronger since I don't have a navy.
Anyway, are the Crusader Kingdoms (Antioch, Jerusalem, and the County of Tripoli) playable or NPC? |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 29, 2017 3:57:52 GMT
OOC: Hmm. I haven't found any evidence of tensions between the Sultanate and Ayyubid, other than in the day of the GREAT sultanate of Rum, it clashed with the Ayyubids, at least through vassals. your point is valuable, even if its just a vassal marriage. I doubt the connection with Turkish converts can be that high, but it is realistic you declare holy war against me for that reason I guess. Even though I kill a potential rival. Anyway I'm rolling for Manuel dying in 1180 so you should roll for the Sultan rejecting that marriage (divorce) up to you of course. BTW, this isn't a exact comparison in terms of military power, but your population is over 7,000,000 and mine is over 11,000,000. At least I'm on the defensive lol, and you are stretched to the limit. Of course, if I attack Seljuk it could be different. And if those confused crusaders come... OOC: 1. That is Mountbatten's decision, not mine. He is the Sultan of Rum, and even with dice I can't godmod. 2. Population isn't that accurate measure of military strength in pre-modern times. Still, you'd be stronger since I don't have a navy.
Anyway, are the Crusader Kingdoms (Antioch, Jerusalem, and the County of Tripoli) playable or NPC? For the sake of game, I will treat them as mostly under occupation, and the rest will be Papal soil |
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Post by Desophaeus on May 29, 2017 3:58:48 GMT
OOC is castille NPC then? If nobody takes it up, I guess. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on May 29, 2017 14:23:40 GMT
OOC: Hmm. I haven't found any evidence of tensions between the Sultanate and Ayyubid, other than in the day of the GREAT sultanate of Rum, it clashed with the Ayyubids, at least through vassals. your point is valuable, even if its just a vassal marriage. I doubt the connection with Turkish converts can be that high, but it is realistic you declare holy war against me for that reason I guess. Even though I kill a potential rival. Anyway I'm rolling for Manuel dying in 1180 so you should roll for the Sultan rejecting that marriage (divorce) up to you of course. BTW, this isn't a exact comparison in terms of military power, but your population is over 7,000,000 and mine is over 11,000,000. At least I'm on the defensive lol, and you are stretched to the limit. Of course, if I attack Seljuk it could be different. And if those confused crusaders come... OOC: 1. That is Mountbatten 's decision, not mine. He is the Sultan of Rum, and even with dice I can't godmod. 2. Population isn't that accurate measure of military strength in pre-modern times. Still, you'd be stronger since I don't have a navy.
Anyway, are the Crusader Kingdoms (Antioch, Jerusalem, and the County of Tripoli) playable or NPC? OOC: Lol you are right. As long as he is playing that country its his decision. Forgot. I'm glad you said so. Even with a lead of 4,000,000 it doesn't necessarily mean much, which I was tempted to mention in case you took it the wrong way. Though Byzantine Empire in this time is still fairly prosperous, if near the end of such a description. The army is also at its final peak, though I find a field army of 50,000 to be weirdly small, particularly considering that it losing such numbers is apparently survivable. Anyway I know the Byzantine navy is vastly superior but shouldn't you have one? Or at least you can establish one. |
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Post by The Spanish Inquisition on May 29, 2017 15:25:40 GMT
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