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Post by Caesar on Jun 25, 2017 2:45:40 GMT
I'm pretty good at acting when I want to. By the way, I think this is for RP discussion only... Don't try to control me with that rule, that Post you are quoting was my first off-topic post in this thread. Twas a crime of passion, if I remember my terms. BTW I had no time to check any post about your return because we were discussing Mongols BEFORE that. *Byzantium reintegrates Portugal into its dominion* *establishes colonies in Virginia* True... I have had some off-topic posts in my day. (I sound like an old man...) Anyhow... We should probably start discussing the Mongolian Menace that should probably be integrated if we get to 1210 |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jun 25, 2017 2:49:31 GMT
Don't try to control me with that rule, that Post you are quoting was my first off-topic post in this thread. Twas a crime of passion, if I remember my terms. BTW I had no time to check any post about your return because we were discussing Mongols BEFORE that. *Byzantium reintegrates Portugal into its dominion* *establishes colonies in Virginia* True... I have had some off-topic posts in my day. (I sound like an old man...) Anyhow... We should probably start discussing the Mongolian Menace that should probably be integrated if we get to 1210 How about the Mieszko supporters, the ME nations, and the Angevin-Burgundy alliance first? |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 25, 2017 2:50:10 GMT
True... I have had some off-topic posts in my day. (I sound like an old man...) Anyhow... We should probably start discussing the Mongolian Menace that should probably be integrated if we get to 1210 How about the Mieszko supporters, the ME nations, and the Angevin-Burgundy alliance first? True... Didn't think about that either.... |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Jun 25, 2017 2:54:43 GMT
How about the Mieszko supporters, the ME nations, and the Angevin-Burgundy alliance first? True... Didn't think about that either.... Good! Mieszko III is a threat to all 1 point something million inhabitants of Poland, ME nations are a threat to all Christians, and Angevin dynasty is threat to Francja. |
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Post by Hugh III of Burgundy on Jun 25, 2017 3:38:41 GMT
How long is a turn guys, 1 year?
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jun 25, 2017 3:58:34 GMT
How long is a turn guys, 1 year? In game, yes. |
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Post by best75 on Jun 25, 2017 4:57:08 GMT
They did invade Russia and Persia you know... They also fought in Poland, but then when their leader died, they had to retreat... I'd say that involves Europe a little bit. 2. We had a game once before my time where the Mongols invaded, one player playing as them with a large starting army. Of course that game was DURING the Mongol invasion of Europe. Yes TW6 the medieval TW, the army the mongols had in that TW was so large the players made peace and agreed to send troops to fight the mongols Considering its still 30 years till the mongols arrive and even with 48 hour per turn this RP will need to be running for 2 months for the mongols to make a appearance with is a very long time. I would consider it unlikely the mongols will appear. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Jun 25, 2017 5:05:15 GMT
Well, the Mongol invasion historically happened in 1223, and after a battle they retreated. I don't think they'll become too huge of a concern.
Besides the focus of this game is supposed to be Crusades.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 25, 2017 5:13:08 GMT
Well, the Mongol invasion historically happened in 1223, and after a battle they retreated. I don't think they'll become too huge of a concern. Besides the focus of this game is supposed to be Crusades. It seems Laurent de Gouvion beat me to saying what I wanted to say. I think some Mongol events might be ok but I'd be strongly opposed to a Mongol player because it: A) To early B) The player would either not be allowed to do much diplomacy or realism would disapear and the Mongols and its allies would have an unfair advantage. C) I had a C and D point but I'm tired and forgot... |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 25, 2017 5:24:29 GMT
After considering the options, yes, I'm cashing my vote toward having at least one Mongolian event mentioned, Antonio Santa Anna. There are definitely other nations to integrate before Mongolia. |
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Post by Antonio Santa Anna on Jun 25, 2017 5:34:10 GMT
After considering the options, yes, I'm cashing my vote toward having at least one Mongolian event mentioned, Antonio Santa Anna . There are definitely other nations to integrate before Mongolia. But as several other people have already said, it is far too early for Mongolia to be a concern for Europe. If the game reaches 1200 (which I highly doubt), I'll think about it. But until then, no. |
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Jun 25, 2017 9:46:25 GMT
To me it is pointless to add the Mongols or even make any events about them when they will show up after 30+ years.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 25, 2017 10:27:53 GMT
True... Didn't think about that either.... Good! Mieszko III is a threat to all 1 point something million inhabitants of Poland, ME nations are a threat to all Christians, and Angevin dynasty is threat to Francja. WRONG. The Angevins are French just much as the Capets are. The weakness of the Capets is a threat to France's security right now. They need to move aside for a better dynasty to take up the reins. Plus if in this timeline, England and France are united, then... France will not be forced to fight their traditional arch-enemy for over 500 years of so many wars. Surely, that would've been more beneficial to France in that way? And a reminder... the English kings at this current timepoint actually speak French more fluently than the English language. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Jun 25, 2017 11:12:46 GMT
Well IRL the Mongols were being deliberately divided by the chinese government. Perhaps a different Mongol would unite them decades earlier? Still there are more than chronological reasons to not want the Mongols in the game. So...if Hugh can claim most of France's population and Almohad can continually build troops and ships, can I increase my armies unrealistically too? Because 150 ships was the current top strength of Byzanz due to budget concerns, but from the looks of almohad we are running this as a recruit troops from a realistic (if that) starting point. I have IRL one of the largest populations west of India, where's MY army? BTW Hugh III of Burgundy, while I think your total population is WAY out of line, the rest of your turn WAS good. Your army and navy in particular seemed pretty realistic for you northerners as well. So a good show for sure. |
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Jun 25, 2017 11:20:57 GMT
Well IRL the Mongols were being deliberately divided by the chinese government. Perhaps a different Mongol would unite them decades earlier? Still there are more than chronological reasons to not want the Mongols in the game. So...if Hugh can claim most of France's population and Almohad can continually build troops and ships, can I increase my armies unrealistically too? Because 150 ships was the current top strength of Byzanz due to budget concerns, but from the looks of almohad we are running this as a recruit troops from a realistic (if that) starting point. I have IRL one of the largest populations west of India, where's MY army? BTW Hugh III of Burgundy, while I think your total population is WAY out of line, the rest of your turn WAS good. Your army and navy in particular seemed pretty realistic for you northerners as well. So a good show for sure. Venice built 400 transport ships in a year when the fourth crusade started, I have built only 200. They also built 50 war galleys. The only problem in this timeline is the availability of exact information. We're taking about stuff that happened 837 years ago. So we have to make guesses here. If this was 1803 or something I would be spending hours reading about that country and gathering details and numbers. |
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