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Post by Henri Winkelman on Jul 26, 2017 5:08:01 GMT
Who is better? Rommel or Patton ? Def Patton. Rommel is too situational (desert). IRL, neither. Too be honest, I think Rommel is a little bit better, as general, then Patton. Dont get me wrong, they are both exellent generals, in my opinion the best in modern warfare, but looking at their actions, Rommel performed as soldier and as commander during both the first and second world war a bit better then Patton did. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Jul 27, 2017 5:47:40 GMT
Who is better? Rommel or Patton ? Def Patton. Rommel is too situational (desert). IRL, neither. Yes but look at rommel's tide of iron lvl 4! |
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Post by Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim on Jul 28, 2017 20:58:30 GMT
Def Patton. Rommel is too situational (desert). IRL, neither. Yes but look at rommel's tide of iron lvl 4! But look at Patton's Explosives lvl 3! Not to mention not being a Guderian-esque and actually having a different kind of tank skill. Guderian wrecks through paratroops and maybe other troops, Patton cracks cities and kills anything that tries to get them (Street Fighting), Rommel... Conquers Africa? If you really want a desert tank general go with Monty, he's around the same price and has Marshall rank, Supply lvl 4 and 4 stars in air force. I wouldn't even recommend Monty that much, as much as the Supply lvl 4 attracts me, as Desert fighting is just a little too situational (only really good if you start in Africa or close enough to immediately launch a Heavy/Super Tank with Monty or Rommel on it). Just get Vatutin or Itagaki, one of those is more than enough to take Africa, which is the only place where Monty or Rommel could shine anyways (or even better, just spawn Infantry, Armored Cars and Land Forts! And put your 3rd Tank General to better use) |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Aug 19, 2017 4:41:38 GMT
Yes but look at rommel's tide of iron lvl 4! But look at Patton's Explosives lvl 3! Not to mention not being a Guderian-esque and actually having a different kind of tank skill. Guderian wrecks through paratroops and maybe other troops, Patton cracks cities and kills anything that tries to get them (Street Fighting), Rommel... Conquers Africa? If you really want a desert tank general go with Monty, he's around the same price and has Marshall rank, Supply lvl 4 and 4 stars in air force. I wouldn't even recommend Monty that much, as much as the Supply lvl 4 attracts me, as Desert fighting is just a little too situational (only really good if you start in Africa or close enough to immediately launch a Heavy/Super Tank with Monty or Rommel on it). Just get Vatutin or Itagaki, one of those is more than enough to take Africa, which is the only place where Monty or Rommel could shine anyways (or even better, just spawn Infantry, Armored Cars and Land Forts! And put your 3rd Tank General to better use) Good point |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Jul 30, 2018 2:37:17 GMT
I feel like that claim is kind of false. China has a couple great generals too. Bai CX is one of the best generals and artillery, and only artillery general that can travel 3 hexes. Sun Lr is a great hybrid if you can use jungles, his output is massive. I used him on super tanks and rocket artillery before. Zhu D offers a lot for 1300 medals. Peng Dh is a fast Zhu D. Xue Y and Li Zr can defend cities well.
There are plenty of useful chinese generals in this game.
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Post by marshalchina on Aug 15, 2018 15:43:31 GMT
I have no idea why, liu bc, zhu d, peng dh, Lin b were all marshals, and were all effective and smart and wise and just generally strategically and tactically very powerful. Some generals, such as du ym, deserve to suck.
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Post by Iosef Stalin on Aug 26, 2018 20:02:24 GMT
I think easytech does not know what players realized about generals. For eg. They might of thought a bad skill is a good skill. or vice versa.
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Post by Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak on Sept 25, 2019 18:13:31 GMT
It actually makes sense, the stars and skills of all generals are based on their succes and role during World War II, like Rommel became famous because of his permormance in North-Africa, where he became known as the Desert Fox. Personally, I have barrerly/never heared of a Chinese commander and their success. Lin Biao and his conquest of the Nationalists, Peng De and the Hundred Regiments Campaign, Sun Li Ren and the New First Army And Expeditionary force. There are plenty of amazing Chinese generals during this time. Just most people only know western history. |
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Post by K S Thimayya on Sept 26, 2019 0:50:34 GMT
Chinese generals are good but only in infantry, artillery and movement, but yeah their output is not as high as western generals except fr movement. Their extreme specialisation in infantry and low health makes them a slightly bad choice.
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Post by Henri Winkelman on Sept 30, 2019 6:56:01 GMT
It actually makes sense, the stars and skills of all generals are based on their succes and role during World War II, like Rommel became famous because of his permormance in North-Africa, where he became known as the Desert Fox. Personally, I have barrerly/never heared of a Chinese commander and their success. Lin Biao and his conquest of the Nationalists, Peng De and the Hundred Regiments Campaign, Sun Li Ren and the New First Army And Expeditionary force. There are plenty of amazing Chinese generals during this time. Just most people only know western history. In the two years after I said that, I have learned a lot more about the second Sino-Japanese war. In the early 1900’s China was leaning towards civil war. Many warlords were not satisfied with the current ruling party and wanted to overthrow the government. After the communist revolution in Russia, the Chinese communist party grew bigger and bigger. Together with the nationalists (current ruling party) they set out to subdue the warlords (in an alliance called the “first united front” in 1924. Due to the fast numbers of the nationalists, communism spread through their ranks and in 1927 the alliance broke. The communists then revolted. But in 1937 they signed a ceasefire, since the Japanese threat grew bigger and bigger. So they decided to fight together against the Japanese and signed the second united front. Soon after Japan declared war on China and the Second Sino-Japanese war had started. China didn’t had a large industry, so they couldnt produce enough guns. They barrerly had enough guns to supply their standing army. Let alone the newly recruited soldiers (which was a lot, by the time the war ended, they went from 1.7 milion men to 5.7 million men). They also didnt have much artillery and their airforce and navy was next to nothing compared to the Japanese imperial navy and airforce. Luckily, they recieved support from the US, UK and the Soviet Union in the form of lend leases, ground and air volunteers and generals. After the Japanese broke through the Chinese first defensive line, they changed their tacticts to guerilla warfare. Which proved very succesful, mainly due to their fast numbers. They also managed to use the artillery effectively, despite the lack of it. And I agree, people only know the Western history. Same was in my case back then. |
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Post by Admiral Aleksandr Kolchak on Sept 30, 2019 21:32:11 GMT
Lin Biao and his conquest of the Nationalists, Peng De and the Hundred Regiments Campaign, Sun Li Ren and the New First Army And Expeditionary force. There are plenty of amazing Chinese generals during this time. Just most people only know western history. In the two years after I said that, I have learned a lot more about the second Sino-Japanese war. In the early 1900’s China was leaning towards civil war. Many warlords were not satisfied with the current ruling party and wanted to overthrow the government. After the communist revolution in Russia, the Chinese communist party grew bigger and bigger. Together with the nationalists (current ruling party) they set out to subdue the warlords (in an alliance called the “first united front” in 1924. Due to the fast numbers of the nationalists, communism spread through their ranks and in 1927 the alliance broke. The communists then revolted. But in 1937 they signed a ceasefire, since the Japanese threat grew bigger and bigger. So they decided to fight together against the Japanese and signed the second united front. Soon after Japan declared war on China and the Second Sino-Japanese war had started. China didn’t had a large industry, so they couldnt produce enough guns. They barrerly had enough guns to supply their standing army. Let alone the newly recruited soldiers (which was a lot, by the time the war ended, they went from 1.7 milion men to 5.7 million men). They also didnt have much artillery and their airforce and navy was next to nothing compared to the Japanese imperial navy and airforce. Luckily, they recieved support from the US, UK and the Soviet Union in the form of lend leases, ground and air volunteers and generals. After the Japanese broke through the Chinese first defensive line, they changed their tacticts to guerilla warfare. Which proved very succesful, mainly due to their fast numbers. They also managed to use the artillery effectively, despite the lack of it. And I agree, people only know the Western history. Same was in my case back then. #asianhistoryawareness |
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Post by Henri Winkelman on Oct 1, 2019 5:21:58 GMT
In the two years after I said that, I have learned a lot more about the second Sino-Japanese war. In the early 1900’s China was leaning towards civil war. Many warlords were not satisfied with the current ruling party and wanted to overthrow the government. After the communist revolution in Russia, the Chinese communist party grew bigger and bigger. Together with the nationalists (current ruling party) they set out to subdue the warlords (in an alliance called the “first united front” in 1924. Due to the fast numbers of the nationalists, communism spread through their ranks and in 1927 the alliance broke. The communists then revolted. But in 1937 they signed a ceasefire, since the Japanese threat grew bigger and bigger. So they decided to fight together against the Japanese and signed the second united front. Soon after Japan declared war on China and the Second Sino-Japanese war had started. China didn’t had a large industry, so they couldnt produce enough guns. They barrerly had enough guns to supply their standing army. Let alone the newly recruited soldiers (which was a lot, by the time the war ended, they went from 1.7 milion men to 5.7 million men). They also didnt have much artillery and their airforce and navy was next to nothing compared to the Japanese imperial navy and airforce. Luckily, they recieved support from the US, UK and the Soviet Union in the form of lend leases, ground and air volunteers and generals. After the Japanese broke through the Chinese first defensive line, they changed their tacticts to guerilla warfare. Which proved very succesful, mainly due to their fast numbers. They also managed to use the artillery effectively, despite the lack of it. And I agree, people only know the Western history. Same was in my case back then. #asianhistoryawareness Agreed. The second Sino-Japanese war was just as important as all the other wars from the second world war and should be atleast be mentioned and explained in the western history books |
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