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Post by Marshal Ney on Aug 2, 2017 18:32:54 GMT
My favourite one... it's me!!! And please explain your reasons
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Post by Caesar on Aug 2, 2017 18:44:55 GMT
Does Petain count since he later became a Marshal? If he does, then I'll vote for Davout.
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Post by Marshal Ney on Aug 2, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
This poll is about "Napoleonic" Marshals
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Post by Marshal Ney on Aug 2, 2017 18:57:52 GMT
Anyhow, Davout is one of the best strategists in history and he NEVER lost a battle
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 2, 2017 19:58:17 GMT
I'll go for the guy who was better as a king than a general, even though he did betray Napoleon's trust by aligning his nation with the Coalition after he became Crown Prince: Karl XIV Johan of Sweden, better known by EW4 players as Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte. Why? Because out of the 26 Marshals of the Empire, he was the only one to become king.
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Post by stoic on Aug 3, 2017 7:05:59 GMT
I'll go for the guy who was better as a king than a general, even though he did betray Napoleon's trust by aligning his nation with the Coalition after he became Crown Prince: Karl XIV Johan of Sweden, better known by EW4 players as Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte. Why? Because out of the 26 Marshals of the Empire, he was the only one to become king. And not only that... His dynasty rules Sweden until now. Rare achievement, I would say His tatoo was cool for a king (http://www.faktoider.nu/bernadotte_eng.html) But his military abilities were doubtfull for many... It is interesting how Napoleon himself "valued" (in both meanings of this word ) his marshals: "Napoleon’s favouritism was evident in the very unequal distribution of the dotations over the years. The top four marshals – Berthier with 1 million francs, Masséna 933,000 francs, Davout 817,000 francs and Ney 729,000 francs – received over half the total of 6 million francs. The next four – Soult, Bessières, Lannes and Bernadotte – got between 200,000 and 300,000 francs each. All the rest received less than 200,000 francs, with Saint-Cyr, whom Napoleon respected as a soldier but couldn’t warm to as a man, getting only 30,211 francs". Andrew Roberts, Napoleon: A Life My vote is for Masséna... He voted against the Life Consulate and criticized the Moreau trial. That means he received his 933.000 francs for military talents only
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Post by Marshal Ney on Aug 3, 2017 9:22:47 GMT
Masséna aka the Dear Child of Victory
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Aug 3, 2017 17:35:10 GMT
I like St. Cyr though. He wasn't overrated like Jean Lannes.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 9, 2017 5:34:29 GMT
I like Jean Lannes since his whole life is filled with adventure. Even his death was kinda unexpected...
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Post by Marshal Ney on Sept 9, 2017 23:00:03 GMT
Lannes was the Napoleon's best friend and one of the bravest marshals
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 12, 2017 6:53:50 GMT
Lannes was the Napoleon's best friend and one of the bravest marshals Very close match with Marshal Ney(yourself) and Murat as well! But imo, Jean Lannes is better than Murat b/c Jean Lannes had something Murat didn't have:a knowledge for tactics
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Post by Suvorov on Sept 16, 2017 21:18:42 GMT
Davout, the Marshal who was so good that he actually had a disastrous impact on Napoleon's Russia Campaign: In the early stages of the campaign, the main Russian armies were those of Bagration (a hot-headed Georgian prince) and Barclay (aka Q. Fabius "Cunctator" Maximus 2.0), who was a more patient and rational general that preferred not fighting a much stronger and larger opponent (600.000 French+allies vs. 200.000 Russians, if I remember correctly). These two generals led two different armies: Bagration's army was to the south of Barclay's army. Now, we do need to remember that Barclay (whose name was suspicious for the xenophobic, nationalist generals in the Russian army) was criticized for simply giving up land instead of fighting the French in a more heroic battle. Among these generals criticizing Barclay was Bagration.
At some point in the early stages of the campaign, Bagration and Barclay tried to fuse their armies in order to create a more effective and a not seperated fighting force. Davout however, maneuvered his corps in between the armies of Bagration & Barclay, which was not an unwise thing to do in general.
However, if the armies had fused together, then the populara Bagration would've easily swept away the (seemingly unmanly and 'weak') Barclay and would've decided to teach Napoleon and his baguettes a lesson or two. Given the superb state of the French army (it truly was at the top of its fighting power, despite the fact that the army was actually too large), the Russian army could've been easily obliterated by Napoleon, which could render Emperor Alexander to be a bit more lenient to Napoleons demands.
tl;dr: Davout: a Marshal so competent that he 'en passant' prevented a decisive battle (and French victory) in the Russia campaign.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Sept 24, 2017 0:49:53 GMT
Davout, the Marshal who was so good that he actually had a disastrous impact on Napoleon's Russia Campaign: In the early stages of the campaign, the main Russian armies were those of Bagration (a hot-headed Georgian prince) and Barclay (aka Q. Fabius "Cunctator" Maximus 2.0), who was a more patient and rational general that preferred not fighting a much stronger and larger opponent (600.000 French+allies vs. 200.000 Russians, if I remember correctly). These two generals led two different armies: Bagration's army was to the south of Barclay's army. Now, we do need to remember that Barclay (whose name was suspicious for the xenophobic, nationalist generals in the Russian army) was criticized for simply giving up land instead of fighting the French in a more heroic battle. Among these generals criticizing Barclay was Bagration. At some point in the early stages of the campaign, Bagration and Barclay tried to fuse their armies in order to create a more effective and a not seperated fighting force. Davout however, maneuvered his corps in between the armies of Bagration & Barclay, which was not an unwise thing to do in general. However, if the armies had fused together, then the populara Bagration would've easily swept away the (seemingly unmanly and 'weak') Barclay and would've decided to teach Napoleon and his baguettes a lesson or two. Given the superb state of the French army (it truly was at the top of its fighting power, despite the fact that the army was actually too large), the Russian army could've been easily obliterated by Napoleon, which could render Emperor Alexander to be a bit more lenient to Napoleons demands. tl;dr: Davout: a Marshal so competent that he 'en passant' prevented a decisive battle (and French victory) in the Russia campaign. Suvorov, you have returned! Where's your pal Jean Lannes?
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 8, 2021 10:08:39 GMT
Berthier was what Napoleon needed to win Waterloo
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Mar 8, 2021 14:21:59 GMT
If you want to see my answer, you will have to wait for Epic History TV's 6th Marshal video where he will (hopefully) tell us #1.
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