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Post by Vatutin on Jan 27, 2016 18:09:56 GMT
Montgomery knows what's up. Hitler also fled to Argentina after the war and had began recruiting panthers to his party, like legit panthers too, not the tanks. But anyways, for real, Guderian was steadily approaching on Moscow, being like "Aw sick, we're gonna take the Kremlin by Halloween or sooner", but then Army Group South, who was trying to take Kiev, was like "Man, Guderian is gonna take Moscow and we can't even take Kiev  " So then Hitler made the stupid mistake of making Guderian swing south to aid Army Group South in taking Kiev. After Kiev was taken, Guderian began to march on Moscow again, but now the Soviets were ready and had fresh Siberian troops at their disposal. Actually,thr germans captured 600k soviet troops in kiev,just imagine what the troops could do if they fought until last man Yet at Bryansk they surrounded another 550,000 men Also I watch a entire set of documentaries on the great Patrotic war |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 19:23:46 GMT
well actually a whole USSR army took white flag and went to germans as they hoped gremans will help to win communists but Hitler just putted them in death camps.
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Post by Vatutin on Jan 27, 2016 21:59:54 GMT
well actually a whole USSR army took white flag and went to germans as they hoped gremans will help to win communists but Hitler just putted them in death camps. Pretty sure that was encircled units |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 22:59:45 GMT
Vatutin No they wanted to change side to help them restore normal order in Russia but Hitler didn't know what to do with them
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Post by Moreau on Jan 28, 2016 7:30:32 GMT
they should have captured baku/or bomb soviet oilfields to dust in 1941 instead of attacking moscow.they should have secured Leningrad and archangkels and the murmasks lines
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 14:30:35 GMT
Moreau as they needed oil they should had to take Baku and it should had to happened after UK would had been conquered
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jan 28, 2016 21:46:22 GMT
Moreau as they needed oil they should had to take Baku and it should had to happened after UK would had been conquered Or they would have continue support in Africa and eventually capture the Middle East and then capture India with Japan. From the South flank Italy would invade Russia then and Germany could concentrate on Leningrad and Moscow |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Jan 29, 2016 6:48:17 GMT
Moreau as they needed oil they should had to take Baku and it should had to happened after UK would had been conquered Or they would have continue support in Africa and eventually capture the Middle East and then capture India with Japan. From the South flank Italy would invade Russia then and Germany could concentrate on Leningrad and Moscow capturing India would've been hard, the British had alot of men there so it would've been an easy victory for the British |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:47:42 GMT
Moreau as they needed oil they should had to take Baku and it should had to happened after UK would had been conquered Or they would have continue support in Africa and eventually capture the Middle East and then capture India with Japan. From the South flank Italy would invade Russia then and Germany could concentrate on Leningrad and Moscow And that going for Moscow would be in the middle of winter in that way... |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jan 29, 2016 21:40:19 GMT
Or they would have continue support in Africa and eventually capture the Middle East and then capture India with Japan. From the South flank Italy would invade Russia then and Germany could concentrate on Leningrad and Moscow capturing India would've been hard, the British had alot of men there so it would've been an easy victory for the British But it'd be a combined Italian, German, and Japanese forces+local support (they were Aryans) |
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Post by scottso on Jan 29, 2016 22:48:18 GMT
The biggest reason Germany didn't conquer Russia is Hitler himself. He knew better than any of his commanders on how to fight a war even though they had spent a lifetime in the military. He was a master at strategy and tactics don't you know!?  In reality the first objective should have been the Caucasus. From Wikipedia; Caucasus has many economically important minerals and energy resources, such as alunite, gold, chromium, copper, iron ore, mercury, manganese, molybdenum, lead, tungsten, uranium, zinc, oil, natural gas, and coal (both hard and brown). Without those resources the Soviets would have been hard pressed to wage war,cut off a snakes head and it can't bite you. Plus, Germany needed everything in that list to keep going. He made other "errors" too,like declaring war on the U.S. and diverting much needed troops to help Italy in North Africa. Those are just the tip of the iceberg,the list of his screw-ups is immense! |
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Post by Haelicon on Jan 30, 2016 13:06:26 GMT
The biggest reason Germany didn't conquer Russia is Hitler himself. He knew better than any of his commanders on how to fight a war even though they had spent a lifetime in the military. He was a master at strategy and tactics don't you know!? In reality the first objective should have been the Caucasus. From Wikipedia; Caucasus has many economically important minerals and energy resources, such as alunite, gold, chromium, copper, iron ore, mercury, manganese, molybdenum, lead, tungsten, uranium, zinc, oil, natural gas, and coal (both hard and brown). Without those resources the Soviets would have been hard pressed to wage war,cut off a snakes head and it can't bite you. Plus, Germany needed everything in that list to keep going. He made other "errors" too,like declaring war on the U.S. and diverting much needed troops to help Italy in North Africa. Those are just the tip of the iceberg,the list of his screw-ups is immense! The first priority should be Moscow, if it is occupied, it should give a massive blow to the Soviet morale. And with all communication and transportation linked to Moscow, Caucasus wouldn't last long. Remember that all the Lend-Lease material were transported near Moscow first, before it is distributed. With Moscow falls, the Lend-Lease program will effectively be paralysed. I agree that Germany need to occupy Caucasus, because of the abundant strategical resources there. Baku Oilfield could supply the German war machine effectively in 1943, if occupied. It also solved the Ploeisti oilfield problem. While Hitler affected his generals, and made disastrous decisions, he also made some effective decisions. If he did not approve Manstein plan for Invasion of France, Germany could be engaged in a static war, much like 1914. Or if he abandoned Italy in North Africa, the British would overran North Africa in 1941. And the Allies could made a second front in Europe much earlier than 1943. Allied landing in Sicily in 1941 or 1942 could be disastrous for the Germans. |
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Post by Moreau on Feb 2, 2016 20:31:15 GMT
Nah, fairly easy for germany to win tbh Tactical mistakes again. 1. Hitler went to Stalingrad instead of just taking Moscow directly. 2. The Wehrmacht produces too many crappy Panzer III, even when the T-34 were rolling for a long time already. 3. Göhring demanded a strong bomber fleet. What have been needed would have been a strong fighter fleet for air superiority. 4. Wasted ressources on super battle ships. 5. no genocide,jews should have been sent to the front. And without slav genocide the Ukranians would surley rise up against Stalin this would add more manpower and the Russians woudldnt fight as intense,since they clearly said they will kill all slavs the russians had to figt for their lifes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 21:12:27 GMT
The Russians did not fight for their lives they fought for their families as Stalin said those who won't fight will be killed and their familly will be killed or sent to siberia, so Russians didn't had any choice. Their life vs Whole familly lifes
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Post by Jean Lannes on Feb 3, 2016 2:48:49 GMT
The Russians did not fight for their lives they fought for their families as Stalin said those who won't fight will be killed and their familly will be killed or sent to siberia, so Russians didn't had any choice. Their life vs Whole familly lifes I should stop getting killed all the time in Red Orchestra 2  |
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" So then Hitler made the stupid mistake of making Guderian swing south to aid Army Group South in taking Kiev. After Kiev was taken, Guderian began to march on Moscow again, but now the Soviets were ready and had fresh Siberian troops at their disposal. 
