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Post by odm on Oct 13, 2017 20:38:21 GMT
Hi there, I'm back after quite a long break. Anyway, I started WC4 and I now have about 1500 medals, Vatutin and I am at Pacific, Axis 7 Allies 2. The progress is quite slow so I ask for help. I am considering the following options:
1) Dismiss Vatutin to get Guderian instead ( about 360 medal lost)
2) Get Leeb (good because many tasks need 2 generals, but not quite sure of his endgame potential)
3) Try to grind more to get Rommel/Konev ( especially the latter since I am already at 20% and Rommel is hard.
4) Wait for other generals ( I highly doubt that this will happen since they would have to modify campaign (taking about Goering here))(also note there are not true "useless generals... they are pretty good for their price)
What do you think I should do?
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Post by andrei on Oct 13, 2017 20:56:18 GMT
Experienced players say You'll need 3 tank generals. And Vatutin is one of the top-3 tank generals, means he is end-game general.
Not reasonable to dismiss him.
Imo go for Leeb instead - that will give You a possibility to progress further. And Leeb is also one of the top-artillery generals!
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Post by stoic on Oct 13, 2017 21:09:18 GMT
Von Leeb is definitely a possibility, but for 1590 medals your can hire Konev. Everything that Leeb can do (I'm talking about their primary role), Konev can do better...
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Post by odm on Oct 13, 2017 21:13:27 GMT
I am only at HQ23 and a bit low on resources.. I need lv25 to unlock more artillery to get -40% I think
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Post by stoic on Oct 13, 2017 21:18:50 GMT
I am oinly at HQ23 and a bit low on resources.. I need lv25 to unlock more artillery to get -40% I think unlocked 40% discount without any general... So it is definitely possible to do it with Vatutin. I recall that chance plays a part. Manstein simply turns his attention to my generals and leaves Konev alone... |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 13, 2017 22:09:58 GMT
No reason to dismiss Vatutin. I’d rank him fourth best non-IAP tank commander behind Guderian, Rommel and Rokossovsky. But the difference between Rokossovsky and Vatutin is very small. You can use Vatutin end game.
I would suggest waiting for Konev. He is a beast. Get the 40 percent mission and then hire him. Leeb can be second artillery general through end game, although I prefer Govorov.
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Post by andrei on Oct 14, 2017 3:09:25 GMT
No reason to dismiss Vatutin. I’d rank him fourth best non-IAP tank commander behind Guderian, Rommel and Rokossovsky. But the difference between Rokossovsky and Vatutin is very small. You can use Vatutin end game. I would suggest waiting for Konev. He is a beast. Get the 40 percent mission and then hire him. Leeb can be second artillery general through end game, although I prefer Govorov. , When ranking tank generals especially comparing Rokossovskiy and Vatutin You only compare their fully upgraded versions don't You? In that case You are right. He could be a bit better. When will it happen? In the end-game? But for most players the value and ranking of the general is in their starting output, their possibility to influence their progress and medal earning. And here Rokossovskiy will match Vatutin only after adding 1 star and at least 1 skill or even 2. For most players upgrade of the 3rd tank general will not be a priority. They need naval general or 2 before that. They'll need to purchase and upgrade them first as well as first and second tank generals and artillery general. So ranking IAP lineup and non-IAP lineup is a bit different story. That what we were doing in EW5 board. I think it is also true for WC4. |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 14, 2017 3:31:57 GMT
No reason to dismiss Vatutin. I’d rank him fourth best non-IAP tank commander behind Guderian, Rommel and Rokossovsky. But the difference between Rokossovsky and Vatutin is very small. You can use Vatutin end game. I would suggest waiting for Konev. He is a beast. Get the 40 percent mission and then hire him. Leeb can be second artillery general through end game, although I prefer Govorov. , When ranking tank generals especially comparing Rokossovskiy and Vatutin You only compare their fully upgraded versions don't You? In that case You are right. He could be a bit better. When will it happen? In the end-game? But for most players the value and ranking of the general is in their starting output, their possibility to influence their progress and medal earning. And here Rokossovskiy will match Vatutin only after adding 1 star and at least 1 skill or even 2. For most players upgrade of the 3rd tank general will not be a priority. They need naval general or 2 before that. They'll need to purchase and upgrade them first as well as first and second tank generals and artillery general. So ranking IAP lineup and non-IAP lineup is a bit different story. That what we were doing in EW5 board. I think it is also true for WC4. It obviously makes a big difference when you are comparing a general you are using as you build your roster up versus the optimal lineup you will use end game after you’ve begun upgrading everyone. That’s why I don’t suggest waiting to take Rokossovsky instead of Vatutin, and that is why I strongly suggested against dismissing Vatutin in this thread. When I am giving a rank of “best generals” in the game, I am doing so based on max potential. Suggestions about who to purchase may take max potential into mind, but it’s only one factor to consider. How many generals you have, what roles you need most, who will be most useful in continuing to increase your medal income... all of those things have to be considered. I would always suggest Vatutin as a first general ahead of Rokossovsky. The difference between the two in max potential is very small, which is why I say Vatutin has end game value. The tiny improvement you get from fully upgraded Rokossovsky versus fully upgraded Vatutin isn’t worth the medal cost unless you have essentially completed your roster and are trying to completely max out. Perhaps I will start a new theead rating generals based on both max potential and “value” while building up for end game. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 14, 2017 5:59:43 GMT
No reason to dismiss Vatutin. I’d rank him fourth best non-IAP tank commander behind Guderian, Rommel and Rokossovsky. But the difference between Rokossovsky and Vatutin is very small. You can use Vatutin end game. I would suggest waiting for Konev. He is a beast. Get the 40 percent mission and then hire him. Leeb can be second artillery general through end game, although I prefer Govorov. , When ranking tank generals especially comparing Rokossovskiy and Vatutin You only compare their fully upgraded versions don't You? In that case You are right. He could be a bit better. When will it happen? In the end-game? But for most players the value and ranking of the general is in their starting output, their possibility to influence their progress and medal earning. And here Rokossovskiy will match Vatutin only after adding 1 star and at least 1 skill or even 2. For most players upgrade of the 3rd tank general will not be a priority. They need naval general or 2 before that. They'll need to purchase and upgrade them first as well as first and second tank generals and artillery general. So ranking IAP lineup and non-IAP lineup is a bit different story. That what we were doing in EW5 board. I think it is also true for WC4. On the other hand do not forget about military rank. It is quite expensive as well. I would like to know how many medals are necessary for promoting Vatutin to M General... |
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Post by best75 on Oct 14, 2017 6:36:24 GMT
soonerjbd , When ranking tank generals especially comparing Rokossovskiy and Vatutin You only compare their fully upgraded versions don't You? In that case You are right. He could be a bit better. When will it happen? In the end-game? But for most players the value and ranking of the general is in their starting output, their possibility to influence their progress and medal earning. And here Rokossovskiy will match Vatutin only after adding 1 star and at least 1 skill or even 2. For most players upgrade of the 3rd tank general will not be a priority. They need naval general or 2 before that. They'll need to purchase and upgrade them first as well as first and second tank generals and artillery general. So ranking IAP lineup and non-IAP lineup is a bit different story. That what we were doing in EW5 board. I think it is also true for WC4. On the other hand do not forget about military rank. It is quite expensive as well. I would like to know how many medals are necessary for promoting Vatutin to M General... He starts at captain Next rank Mayor costs 150 Next rank L Colonel costs 200 Next rank Colonel costs 300 Next rank is M General and i dont how much medals that cost Maybe 400 medals? because the rank above, L general costs 500 So an estimated 1050 medals. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 14, 2017 6:41:31 GMT
On the other hand do not forget about military rank. It is quite expensive as well. I would like to know how many medals are necessary for promoting Vatutin to M General... He starts at captain Next rank Mayor costs 150 Next rank L Colonel costs 200 Next rank Colonel costs 300 Next rank is M General and i dont how much medals that cost Maybe 400 medals? because the rank above, L general costs 500 So an estimated 1050 medals. That's is roughly the same sum of medals you need to give Rokossovsky 6 stars in Armor then... |
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Post by odm on Oct 14, 2017 20:08:00 GMT
I managed to get Konev. I can't say he isn't good, I am just dissapointed that he has 1 useless skill (raider).. by the way, which skills to fill the 2? I was thinking about Plain Fighting (Bonus Damage on Plains), Artillery Barrage( Bonus damage under 50% HP), Explosives(Bonus damage to cities and fortifications) and Machinist(HP recovery)... like always, this game truly has a great community, so thank you all  |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 14, 2017 20:15:27 GMT
I managed to get Konev. I can't say he isn't good, I am just dissapointed that he has 1 useless skill (raider).. by the way, which skills to fill the 2? I was thinking about Plain Fighting (Bonus Damage on Plains), Artillery Barrage( Bonus damage under 50% HP), Explosives(Bonus damage to cities and fortifications) and Machinist(HP recovery)... like always, this game truly has a great community, so thank you all Plain Fighting and Explosives are my suggestions. The damage boosts will stack when Artillery Leader triggers, and you will get massive hits. Also, when you get enough tasks completed to get a random medal, if you don’t get the Empire medal, hard restart your device and try again. That additional boost to Artillery Leader is excellent. Try to get him in rocket artillery if you can, because his splash damage hits hard as well. |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 14, 2017 20:16:12 GMT
You could also consider Rumor for utility. It is great in some situations, but I prefer the extra damage.
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Post by stoic on Oct 14, 2017 20:30:04 GMT
I managed to get Konev. I can't say he isn't good, I am just dissapointed that he has 1 useless skill (raider).. by the way, which skills to fill the 2? I was thinking about Plain Fighting (Bonus Damage on Plains), Artillery Barrage( Bonus damage under 50% HP), Explosives(Bonus damage to cities and fortifications) and Machinist(HP recovery)... like always, this game truly has a great community, so thank you all For me it is not totally useless. I don't have an Infantry general and Konev is quite efficient in his secondary role in Invasions and Exercises. Btw, I also prefer Plain fighting and Explosives. Being excellent skills for an Artillery general, they also can help Konev while leading Inf units. |
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