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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 19, 2017 9:59:26 GMT
You mean that 12 medals invasions don't get harder on higher levels? Hmm... and I have bought Yamashita in order not to have problems with inf invasions, but in that case no need for him. May be just for some 1 star conquests. Infantry generals are less useful in conquests. You'll prefer tank or artillery. UPD: If I remember correctly the only conquest I used infantry general was South Korea - to assign general for the inf. unit to survive before I can save money for tank generals. Yes, SK was what I thought about most of all. I haven't played conquests yet, but than it looks like there's no need for inf gen at all. May be only for some exercises/battles. |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 19, 2017 10:05:27 GMT
Infantry generals are less useful in conquests. You'll prefer tank or artillery. UPD: If I remember correctly the only conquest I used infantry general was South Korea - to assign general for the inf. unit to survive before I can save money for tank generals. That is the main reason why I don't upgade Rundstedt intensively. He had only lvl 1-2 of Inf skills, and that's enough to win every 12 medal Invasions. Tech tree is far more important for Invasions, imo... Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. |
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Post by andrei on Nov 19, 2017 10:09:32 GMT
Yeah, unfortunately infantry generals aren't really useful.
But that is because tank generals are way too strong. Even with Commando units infantry general is fragile against tanks and tank generals.
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Post by stoic on Nov 19, 2017 10:43:06 GMT
That is the main reason why I don't upgade Rundstedt intensively. He had only lvl 1-2 of Inf skills, and that's enough to win every 12 medal Invasions. Tech tree is far more important for Invasions, imo... Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. To be honest I think that Konev with Rumor and Raider upgraded will be capable to win Inf invasions. Though upgrading his Raider skill (and to give him one additional Inf star) will be about the same as to buy Rundstedt. I'm disappointed with Infantry in WC4 exactly because I thought that things are different now (in comparison to WC3). I thought that Inf general with medals will be of great use. In fact his attack is good, but nothing can help to improve his survivability. My guess there is no place for Inf generals (even fully upgraded and equipped with medals) in Modern war missions... I would be glad to know that I'm wrong, but so far no good news from those players (first of all @glaber) who used Inf generals with success in previous missions. |
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Post by lopicko on Nov 19, 2017 11:00:02 GMT
That is the main reason why I don't upgade Rundstedt intensively. He had only lvl 1-2 of Inf skills, and that's enough to win every 12 medal Invasions. Tech tree is far more important for Invasions, imo... Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. I have great success using Yamashita. Even 12 Medal invasions for infantry. If the enemy general doesn't have rumor, it doesn't matter. Just sent Yamashita on a 4 stack motorised infantry all the way to the front. He obliterates everything. Invasions will end on 3-4 turns If enemy Gen has rumor play abit more cautious on the first turn instead of charging all the way forward. Enemy will Attack your other troops instead of your generals. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 19, 2017 11:32:55 GMT
Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. I have great success using Yamashita. Even 12 Medal invasions for infantry. If the enemy general doesn't have rumor, it doesn't matter. Just sent Yamashita on a 4 stack motorised infantry all the way to the front. He obliterates everything. Invasions will end on 3-4 turns If enemy Gen has rumor play abit more cautious on the first turn instead of charging all the way forward. Enemy will Attack your other troops instead of your generals. Well, I'm sure he does all these splendid things. But the main purpose of Invasions is to receive your medals, - not to obliterate all in 3 turns. If Rundstedt is capable of doing this (though in less spectacular manner) with only a couple of upgrades - why do we need Yamashita at all? |
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Post by andrei on Nov 19, 2017 11:36:50 GMT
I have great success using Yamashita. Even 12 Medal invasions for infantry. If the enemy general doesn't have rumor, it doesn't matter. Just sent Yamashita on a 4 stack motorised infantry all the way to the front. He obliterates everything. Invasions will end on 3-4 turns If enemy Gen has rumor play abit more cautious on the first turn instead of charging all the way forward. Enemy will Attack your other troops instead of your generals. Well, I'm sure he does all these excellent things. But the main purpose of Invasions is to receive your medals, - not to obliterate all in 3 turns. If Rundstedt is capable of doing this (though in less spectacular manner) with only a couple of upgrades - why do we need Yamashita at all? I would add that rank of the general You use for infantry invasions is probably more important than skills. If You have IAP generals - Zhukov for instance - You probably don't need pure infantry general in this game at all. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 19, 2017 11:40:01 GMT
Well, I'm sure he does all these excellent things. But the main purpose of Invasions is to receive your medals, - not to obliterate all in 3 turns. If Rundstedt is capable of doing this (though in less spectacular manner) with only a couple of upgrades - why do we need Yamashita at all? I would add that rank of the general You use for infantry invasions is probably more important than skills. If You have IAP generals - Zhukov for instance - You probably don't need pure infantry general in this game at all. Yep, Rundstedt is M General. It is more than enough... |
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Post by lopicko on Nov 19, 2017 11:42:07 GMT
I have great success using Yamashita. Even 12 Medal invasions for infantry. If the enemy general doesn't have rumor, it doesn't matter. Just sent Yamashita on a 4 stack motorised infantry all the way to the front. He obliterates everything. Invasions will end on 3-4 turns If enemy Gen has rumor play abit more cautious on the first turn instead of charging all the way forward. Enemy will Attack your other troops instead of your generals. Well, I'm sure he does all these splendid things. But the main purpose of Invasions is to receive your medals, - not to obliterate all in 3 turns. If Rundstedt is capable of doing this (though in less spectacular manner) with only a couple of upgrades - why do we need Yamashita at all? I didn't say we need him. I just said I have great successes with him. if you bought him it is not a waste of medals. If you have not bought him you can buy Rundstedt as a cheaper alternative. |
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Post by andrei on Nov 19, 2017 11:48:41 GMT
I would add that rank of the general You use for infantry invasions is probably more important than skills. If You have IAP generals - Zhukov for instance - You probably don't need pure infantry general in this game at all. Yep, Rundstedt is M General. It is more than enough... Unit (infantry) bacis weakness predetermine survivability as the main issue for general used as infantry. That's why great success with Yamashita is possible after You have either upgraded his skills or rank. My experience with Yamashita was awful before I upgraded his skills. His rank is too low for 12 medals invasions. Upgrading rank is quite expensive, that's why I do not recommend Yamashita even though he has higher potential (if fully upgraded) than Rundstedt. |
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Post by best75 on Nov 19, 2017 11:53:24 GMT
I upgraded Rundstedt guerilla ability and added raider, infantry leader. I can say he can win 12 medal invasions quite descively.
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Post by stoic on Nov 19, 2017 12:03:04 GMT
Yep, Rundstedt is M General. It is more than enough... Unit (infantry) bacis weakness predetermine survivability as the main issue for general used as infantry. That's why great success with Yamashita is possible after You have either upgraded his skills or rank. My experience with Yamashita was awful before I upgraded his skills. His rank is too low for 12 medals invasions. Upgrading rank is quite expensive, that's why I do not recommend Yamashita even though he has higher potential (if fully upgraded) than Rundstedt. For sure... He can have 5 good inf skills ... The question is whether or not we can use his potential elsewhere. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 19, 2017 12:21:23 GMT
For me Body armour was a game changer in Inf iversions. Don'the recall any losses of units since then.   |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 19, 2017 12:34:11 GMT
Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. I have great success using Yamashita. Even 12 Medal invasions for infantry. If the enemy general doesn't have rumor, it doesn't matter. Just sent Yamashita on a 4 stack motorised infantry all the way to the front. He obliterates everything. Invasions will end on 3-4 turns If enemy Gen has rumor play abit more cautious on the first turn instead of charging all the way forward. Enemy will Attack your other troops instead of your generals. Not upgraded Yamashita (with just 10 000 gold upgrade) is ok for 12 medals invasions. May be some where enemy gen is very strong may cause problems, but at least for most of them he's ok. I'm now thinking about dismissing him and upgrading Konev for received medals. |
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 19, 2017 12:44:53 GMT
Looks like I have wasted some 400 medals buying Yama. To be honest I think that Konev with Rumor and Raider upgraded will be capable to win Inf invasions. Though upgrading his Raider skill (and to give him one additional Inf star) will be about the same as to buy Rundstedt. I'm disappointed with Infantry in WC4 exactly because I thought that things are different now (in comparison to WC3). I thought that Inf general with medals will be of great use. In fact his attack is good, but nothing can help to improve his survivability. My guess there is no place for Inf generals (even fully upgraded and equipped with medals) in Modern war missions... I would be glad to know that I'm wrong, but so far no good news from those players (first of all @glaber ) who used Inf generals with success in previous missions. I came to the same conclusion too. Yama has 30 damage from stars + raider 1 + 5 from bayonet charge (like half of his life it doesn't work, half gives 10, if he is alive by the end of invasion, that means victory and anything else doesn't matters), AF 1 is a crap. Konev has 24 from stars (assuming 1 upgrade) and raider 1, so 11 extra damage need to be added. Upgrading raider to lvl 3 will make Konev even better than Yama (I have raider medal). And besides that Konev has more hp. BTW, those red circles on extra skills mean you can change gen's skill without dismissing him? That's very nice idea. Do you get any medals back for old skill? |
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