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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 8, 2017 12:28:18 GMT
Well, in fact, all that sounds pretty logical  I at least had one occasion where I thought it would be very useful to have a general with crossfire. Sometimes right after capturing a city the enemy around would all attack my unit in the city. Might be useful to have a tank general with crossfire who you would use to always take cities and the units around would attack. The extra damage from the crossfire would than quickly destroy the enemy units attacking. Crossfire would be useful in situations like: -Ambitious attack -Holding cities -1 gen vs lot of enemy |
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Post by best75 on Nov 9, 2017 8:14:07 GMT
I been thinking about crossfire and with the modern war update I think it won't be as good. The thing is in modern war enemy generals have lots of lvl up skills it's just really risky to use crossfire. You general could get rumored, panzer/artillery/infantry leadered or just not have crossfire activate at all because the enemy has guerilla or blitzkrieg.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 9, 2017 9:34:22 GMT
I been thinking about crossfire and with the modern war update I think it won't be as good. The thing is in modern war enemy generals have lots of lvl up skills it's just really risky to use crossfire. You general could get rumored, panzer/artillery/infantry leadered or just not have crossfire activate at all because the enemy has guerilla or blitzkrieg. True, very true, but crossfire is still a good skill, in my opinion. Just not as good as the other skills. |
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Post by Plapuma on Nov 11, 2017 6:30:50 GMT
The coincidence is i bought the game yesterday and like 1 h ago i bought Messe i really liked his stats(without this guide)
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 12, 2017 6:15:05 GMT
best75, a hour ago Bruchminati confirmed that he is @bruchminati. Max Otto von Stierlitz, yeah I would view Timochenko as a decent hybrid, but not good 'nuff for endgame imo. But could be useful in invasions, good point. But still I perfer Guderian more, because he is an absolute endgame, has amazing output, etc, etc. Once again.. how can you stand stuff about end game if we dont know the end game? Not special to you but those who stated their opinions as facts without the final knowlegde seems to me a bit ... over confident Btw agree that guderian is the best atm btw  Well, as it turns out, Guderian+Rumor will not fail you in endgame |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 13, 2017 1:04:45 GMT
Leonid Govorov, I still believe that beginners may still find Messe -> Leeb-> Guderian easier than if they do Messe -> Guderian. Messe + Leeb work like a hammer & sickle (I'm not commie, it's just this seems to be the only thing I can think up to explain this combo), Messe does the heavy lifting by hitting first (since he's a tank gen) and weakens enemies, Leeb that finishes like the sickle - swift and lethal.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 13, 2017 6:48:20 GMT
Leonid Govorov , I still believe that beginners may still find Messe -> Leeb-> Guderian easier than if they do Messe -> Guderian. Messe + Leeb work like a hammer & sickle (I'm not commie, it's just this seems to be the only thing I can think up to explain this combo), Messe does the heavy lifting by hitting first (since he's a tank gen) and weakens enemies, Leeb that finishes like the sickle - swift and lethal. Oh, right, I think I should revise it with some "Optional" choices(which Leeb will be included ofc) |
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Post by ondercm on Jun 28, 2018 9:33:50 GMT
this will be done like the works of Erich von Manstein . Use this as a reference, nothing more.
First general: Messe(550 medals) But Leonid Govorov , look at his stars! Look at his skills, dear friend. Armoured assault the best skill for tanks, and Crowd tactics are good for support. Rumor adds up to survivability like NetherFreek said. Only for 550 medals, I call that a bargain! Don't upgrade him though. (Optional) Leeb: The second-best artillery general. Rumor, artillery leader, plain fighting are all great skills, especially rumor as it is crucial for endgame(1980). Suitable for endgame, because of the reasons I just said. Second general: Guderian(2935 medals) Whoa, expensive, right? But he is the best general around. Armoured assault for output, check. Panzer leader for occasional pleasure, check. Blitzkrieg for survivability, check. This guy is an all-in-one pack, and you want him, sooner or later. So why not get him now? Third general: Nimitz Looks expensive. But with discounts, he can be cheaper than most generals! Why get a navy? For those (self-censored) pacific war campaigns. With decent output, he makes up for endgame. Yamamoto is better, sure but Yamamoto has one big weakness: his price. Fourth general: Konev Same as Nimitz, he looks expensive, but with discounts, you can enjoy him with Leeb's price. We need an arty, and we have one. He can also be a decent infantry, which means he is a hybrid. A good hybrid. The best artillery general ingame, I should say. For endgame uses also. Fifth general: Rommel Rommel is awesome. Rommel is great. Rommel is the best and Rommel is cheap. A god in Africa, a beast on other terrains. I know Dessert fighting isn't exactly the best skill to have, but his two free skill slots, armored assult, and crossfire more than makes up for it. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, you are on my shopping list! That is all. After that, I recommend Leeb(second best artillery), Vatutin(a beast in a tank), Yamashita(A samurai), Rundstedt(A cheap alternative for Yamashita) or maybe Yamamoto(the best naval general ingame). After you have completed your "dream team" feel free to sell Messe. He worked too hard. For those of you who bought IAP generals: Manstein-Ignore Messe, go straight for Guderian Eisenhower-Buy Nimitz later, or maybe don't buy him at all. Get Konev with your "Nimitz savings" Zhukov-Same path. Konev is still a beast. Avoid: Tito-Why get an inf when you can get Messe just about a hundred medals higher? Bargryaman-Just get Messe Bock-A bit improved from Messe, yet 500 meds more expensive. Govorov-His stars look shiny, right? Plus, he was a demigod on WC3 and GOG. Not here. His skills are absolute crap.
Patton-Three words: Worst. Tier. Three.
Macarthur: Go back to the Philippines. I am having fun with Yamashita and Rundstedt, thank you.
I need something like this for EW6 |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 28, 2018 14:39:53 GMT
It depends on the members posting there, how much time they have to dedicate to their guides & who is going to visit the EW6 boards and post there. You cannot really expect this to be a must have thread since there's a lot of human variables involved. Still, some of the stuff on the EW6 boards are quite good & helpful and there are plenty of other threads in there that can also help. If you need something, you may create a thread and ask us, or just post on the relevant thread to ask for help. Note: Not saying you're wrong to hope for similar helpful threads with a similar style or presentation, but explaining why that may mot be possible and providing some alternatives. |
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Post by BillyJohnson367 on Jul 13, 2018 21:47:25 GMT
I never understood why there are less generals in WC4 than in WC3. This is a major let down. Whenever I'm playing conquest, I see Germany or the USSR spew out Generals that aren't even buy-able with medals or cash. It's like this game is a cash grab. Seems Easytech just WANTS you to buy Manstein, Zhukov, and Eisenhower. I look at this, may I say wonderful, guide for getting the best generals, but the options are so few. I could get many low-key generals in WC3. Chung, Crerar, and Auchinleck were some of my first to go generals at the start of the game without mentioning my other options. But, in WC4, the only general in Bronze Tier for starters is Messe. And it's not like you can buy much else because Easytech decided to cut most of the ways to get medals easily. Now I see people just grinding the conquest or trying effortlessly in the Campaign to get more medals and for what? One or two generals out of 12 total slots?
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jul 14, 2018 4:02:06 GMT
I never understood why there are less generals in WC4 than in WC3. This is a major let down. Whenever I'm playing conquest, I see Germany or the USSR spew out Generals that aren't even buy-able with medals or cash. It's like this game is a cash grab. Seems Easytech just WANTS you to buy Manstein, Zhukov, and Eisenhower. I look at this, may I say wonderful, guide for getting the best generals, but the options are so few. I could get many low-key generals in WC3. Chung, Crerar, and Auchinleck were some of my first to go generals at the start of the game without mentioning my other options. But, in WC4, the only general in Bronze Tier for starters is Messe. And it's not like you can buy much else because Easytech decided to cut most of the ways to get medals easily. Now I see people just grinding the conquest or trying effortlessly in the Campaign to get more medals and for what? One or two generals out of 12 total slots? Having more gens means that players have to spend more time to study ALL of them. We have to see who is more useful, who is not as good, etc. Although limiting gen count can mean some good/useful gens are cut out, it also brings some convenience to players since the road to victory is simplified. Yes, compared to the EW series, the WC series has a limited pool of gens that can support you in end-game. However, grinding IS inevitable either ways and the best or optimal gens to deploy in end-game are still expensive (with some exceptions). Getting medals has ALWAYS been difficult. In EW4, you only have campaign rewards & damage-induced medal drops to rely on. Farming is a MUST in order to buy trainers to strengthen your gens. In WC3, you have medal wonders (though their output is horrible), campaign rewards (for 3 tiers of difficulty!), challenge rewards, mission tab rewards and conquest rewards which are not enough to immediately sustain a full academy gen team or a EC-academy gen hybrid team. In WC4, you have campaign rewards (for 2 tiers of difficulty!), conquest rewards, daily battle, Domination rewards & Achievement rewards. The immediate rewards allows you to get some good gens from the start (Messe, Leeb or even Vatutin) & the long term farms allows you to strengthen your gens or get a new one (I bought Rokossovsky in my second run). All these games do have IAP gens that make you want to buy them to get a leg up, but FTP players still have a chance. Moreover, in the WC series, the disparity between useful & less useful gens is larger so of course you feel pressurised to farm medals to get expensive but powerful gens OR buy IAP gens to get a leg up. Besides, ET's games has NEVER been about "buy as many (strong) gens as possible to win!" or "Here's a gen collecting simulator, enjoy!". The game limits you to CHOOSE the gens you think can help you, so even if you collected 10+, at the end of the day, only 6-8 will be picked to see action whenever you deploy them. If you feel like cutting out gens may limit you since you don't like walking down the conventional path to victory but instead use some other gens to achieve victory, then that can't be helped. |
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Post by BillyJohnson367 on Jul 14, 2018 14:37:54 GMT
I never understood why there are less generals in WC4 than in WC3. This is a major let down. Whenever I'm playing conquest, I see Germany or the USSR spew out Generals that aren't even buy-able with medals or cash. It's like this game is a cash grab. Seems Easytech just WANTS you to buy Manstein, Zhukov, and Eisenhower. I look at this, may I say wonderful, guide for getting the best generals, but the options are so few. I could get many low-key generals in WC3. Chung, Crerar, and Auchinleck were some of my first to go generals at the start of the game without mentioning my other options. But, in WC4, the only general in Bronze Tier for starters is Messe. And it's not like you can buy much else because Easytech decided to cut most of the ways to get medals easily. Now I see people just grinding the conquest or trying effortlessly in the Campaign to get more medals and for what? One or two generals out of 12 total slots? Having more gens means that players have to spend more time to study ALL of them. We have to see who is more useful, who is not as good, etc. Although limiting gen count can mean some good/useful gens are cut out, it also brings some convenience to players since the road to victory is simplified. Yes, compared to the EW series, the WC series has a limited pool of gens that can support you in end-game. However, grinding IS inevitable either ways and the best or optimal gens to deploy in end-game are still expensive (with some exceptions). Getting medals has ALWAYS been difficult. In EW4, you only have campaign rewards & damage-induced medal drops to rely on. Farming is a MUST in order to buy trainers to strengthen your gens. In WC3, you have medal wonders (though their output is horrible), campaign rewards (for 3 tiers of difficulty!), challenge rewards, mission tab rewards and conquest rewards which are not enough to immediately sustain a full academy gen team or a EC-academy gen hybrid team. In WC4, you have campaign rewards (for 2 tiers of difficulty!), conquest rewards, daily battle, Domination rewards & Achievement rewards. The immediate rewards allows you to get some good gens from the start (Messe, Leeb or even Vatutin) & the long term farms allows you to strengthen your gens or get a new one (I bought Rokossovsky in my second run). All these games do have IAP gens that make you want to buy them to get a leg up, but FTP players still have a chance. Moreover, in the WC series, the disparity between useful & less useful gens is larger so of course you feel pressurised to farm medals to get expensive but powerful gens OR buy IAP gens to get a leg up. Besides, ET's games has NEVER been about "buy as many (strong) gens as possible to win!" or "Here's a gen collecting simulator, enjoy!". The game limits you to CHOOSE the gens you think can help you, so even if you collected 10+, at the end of the day, only 6-8 will be picked to see action whenever you deploy them. If you feel like cutting out gens may limit you since you don't like walking down the conventional path to victory but instead use some other gens to achieve victory, then that can't be helped. I do see your points. But, still, I guess I am a person who likes variety. When I look at my options and see so little to what I can get, it gets me off edge. I'm just not used to going from "here's a bunch of generals, go pick the best" to "here's a waaaay shorter variety of gens, there's only one good general for you...yep, that's about it, oh, but the AI can use the others not listed, lol". I'll just keep trying to see what I can get. I'm almost done the First campaign, (curse this last Allies mission) and I've beaten the 1939 Conquest as Italy with Rank A. I guess I'll just keep grinding. Thanks for replying.
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Post by Heinz Wilhelm Guderian on Aug 3, 2018 2:59:41 GMT
The thing is though, most of the generals that were removed were bad. Honestly, nobody will by Choe or Franco. But I do agree that some generals that were good (like Ozawa) were removed.
However, there are still enough generals in the game to make it fun. AND THEY'RE CUSTOMIZABLE! That option was a huge plus from eye generals in WC3.
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Post by Louis Gabriel Suchet on Aug 26, 2018 21:01:23 GMT
It kinda depend on the next update what kinda generals we need to Fight the new enemy Atm I haveno need for a second artillery (maybe eill make yama a hybrid) so i have no clue you really need leeb.. Up to now if i would restat my strat will be Messe- guderian - konev - donitz - upgrade konev and donitz at least with some rumour - 2nd tank (rommel if able to get the 40%, rosi or vatu) - yama/nimitz - upgrade more Are you saying this for beginners??? I think I will get Leeb... I don't know, right now I have 875 medals so... HELP?  ?? |
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Post by Singlemalt on Aug 27, 2018 9:01:15 GMT
It kinda depend on the next update what kinda generals we need to Fight the new enemy Atm I haveno need for a second artillery (maybe eill make yama a hybrid) so i have no clue you really need leeb.. Up to now if i would restat my strat will be Messe- guderian - konev - donitz - upgrade konev and donitz at least with some rumour - 2nd tank (rommel if able to get the 40%, rosi or vatu) - yama/nimitz - upgrade more Are you saying this for beginners??? I think I will get Leeb... I don't know, right now I have 875 medals so... HELP? ?? It was written long time ago. So maybe recently some other strategies were recommended. But what I know now. Lots of people use Leeb till the endgame. So getting him is a good investment. |
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