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Post by yuanzhong on Nov 28, 2017 8:54:11 GMT
Almost players agree that Manstein, Rommel and Guderian is best trio of Tanks in WC4.
But if I want the 4th (for initial use at beginning of Conquest but still usefull in middle and end for example) for tank, who is the best choice.
Ignore the cost, I just wanna know who is the best: Patton, Vatutin, Rokossovsky or Montgomery.
In my opinion, Rokossovsky is the best because he can get Assault, Bliz, Leader and Tire of Iron - full set of basic skill for good all-round Tank gen, although he has only 5 stars (Means he lost 6 atk, but the skills can compensate that).
Patton also great, he's quick and strong when full upgraded and has 2 defend skill. I don't know exactly how defend skill work, they always reduce x% damage or x% totally 0 damage. If the first, he's very good defend tank IMO.
Vatutin is only good when you care about the price. When fully upgraded, he's worse than 2 guys above.
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Post by andrei on Nov 28, 2017 9:01:20 GMT
Patton and Montgomery have bad skills.
You can add 6th star in tanks for Rokossovskiy.
Btw Tide of Iron is not good as when using tank You will not benefit from this skill most of the time.
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Post by yuanzhong on Nov 28, 2017 9:09:50 GMT
Oh. I didn't notice that he has a blank shadowed star. ^^!
Do you have any information about Patton def skill?
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 28, 2017 9:51:58 GMT
Vatutin. I know, only 4 skills. But he easily outweighs the others.
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Post by yuanzhong on Nov 28, 2017 12:38:45 GMT
Vatutin has tide, plain and leader. 1 blank slot
Rokossovsky has tide, leader and shelter. 2 blank slots.
That means Roko = Vat + Shelter in skill and more flexible than Vat.
About stats. Roko has 3 stars more than Vat in move and Vat has 3 more than Roko in air. But i think move star is more important than air.
Ignore the cost, Roko is better than Vat in the end.
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Post by Singlemalt on Nov 28, 2017 14:17:24 GMT
Vatutin. I know, only 4 skills. But he easily outweighs the others. I appreciate such statements with the proper arguments.. as stated above i see roko will be vatu+ |
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Post by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on Nov 28, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
Since we are talking about Vatutin, which skill do you recommend for him?
I added Blitzkrieg, but that was only because I didn't have Armored Assault. Now that I got it should I change, or it just isn't worth it?
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Post by stoic on Nov 28, 2017 20:19:32 GMT
Since we are talking about Vatutin, which skill do you recommend for him? I added Blitzkrieg, but that was only because I didn't have Armored Assault. Now that I got it should I change, or it just isn't worth it? In my team he plays a role of a sledgehammer. My Art generals attack without retaliation and my two other tank generals have Blitzkrieg, so I use Vatutin afterwards with medals (boosting PF, AA and PL). But in other circumstances he can play another role. |
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Post by best75 on Nov 28, 2017 22:18:22 GMT
If you are willing to ignore price than I would say Rokossovsky is the best tank general out of them. I am not a fan of shelter so I consider Rokossovsky and Vatutin nearly equal in the value of their skill. Since Rokossovsky can get both blitzkrieg and armored assault while Vatutin can only get one of them and has plain assault extra I give Rokossovsky a slight edge over Vatutin since I prefer armored assault/blitzkrieg over plain fighting. Rokossovsky's 3 movement stars gives him more of an advantage over Vatutin.
I am not a fan of Pattons defensive skills so I would rank Vatutin above Patton.
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Post by sacredelbrus on Nov 28, 2017 23:21:43 GMT
Do you want a tank general that does good damage and has good defensive capacities? Well Montgomery is the one for you!
Let me begin by saying that tanks themselves are good defensive beasts. You don't need to equip defensive skills on a tank when they are so powerful to begin with in dealing with threats. Montgomery comes with fairly decent skills with the exception of the fortress unit HP recovery which I would ignore. Crossfire is a very good skill all round, plain fighting is amazing. The 2 skills that I added was machinist and and armoured assault. In my opinion HP recovery is the most important skill to Montgomery as it doesn't rely on chance, coupled with the medal that raises the HP recovery even more. Is he the best tank general in the game in terms of attack? No. Manstein and guderian have that down to the nail. But if you are looking to spend medals on a good all round tank general Montgomery is the one.
I would have maybe chosen Rokossovsky if he had the ability to negate amounts of damage at a rate of 12% but again, it relies on chance. At least with machinist you get 15 health back, 19 with medal and plus whatever else you get if he's hanging in a city with extra recovery.
I forgot to add, I wouldn't consider Rokossovsky's missile defence to add anything of value, like Monty's fortress units, you just have to accept after the trio of Manstein/guderian/Rommel you will have to settle with slight downgrades but it doesn't make other decent tank generals obsolete by any means.
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Post by ehnoymanoy on Nov 30, 2017 21:40:38 GMT
I agree that Rokossovsky is better than Vatutin, but only by a bit. Roko gets Shelter expert which is not as useful but with an extra 2 slots customizable for the player, he gets more options as well as an edge in more skills than Vatutin. Roko also offers more movement with 3*, which is critical especially for conquests.
However, the cost difference is quite far, with Vatutin only costing 1800 and bearing good tank skills. So if you're a P2W, Roko is a better choice for your 4th tank slot when it comes to budget.
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Post by yuanzhong on Dec 2, 2017 1:41:45 GMT
Since we are talking about Vatutin, which skill do you recommend for him? I added Blitzkrieg, but that was only because I didn't have Armored Assault. Now that I got it should I change, or it just isn't worth it? I wonder why you have Blizkrieg but no Armored Assault. I remember that Armored Assault can unlock at First stage of First Axis campaign and Bliz need you reach 5 or 6th ? |
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Post by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb on Dec 2, 2017 8:08:46 GMT
Since we are talking about Vatutin, which skill do you recommend for him? I added Blitzkrieg, but that was only because I didn't have Armored Assault. Now that I got it should I change, or it just isn't worth it? I wonder why you have Blizkrieg but no Armored Assault. I remember that Armored Assault can unlock at First stage of First Axis campaign and Bliz need you reach 5 or 6th ? No, Armored Assualt is unlocked in Kursk, hard. I don't remember where Blitz is unlocked, but I suspect it was in "Blitzkrieg" |
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