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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 28, 2015 1:30:40 GMT
Here are my top 5. Feel free to give your list:
5.George B McClellan (U.S Civil War)
4.Conrad Von Hotzendorf WWI)
3.Herman Goering (WWII)
2.Tsar Nicholas II (WWI)
1.And the all time worst Military Strategist of all time is...
Adolf Hitler (WWII)
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Oct 28, 2015 1:41:47 GMT
I don't really have a top 5, but I were to pick just 2, it would be Napoleon and Hitler. Both went into Russia on the winter, Napoleon came back with less than a 1/4 of his invasion force and Hitler ended up killing himself because soviet forces were closing in on his bunker. Even without the winter, you don't poke the bear, especially a Russian bear you had a Non Aggression Pact with that has Stalin at its command...with a near endless population...and a line of artillery stretching for miles upon miles...and that was just Hitlers screw ups. I can continue but I summed up most of it, I think.
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Post by Moreau on Oct 28, 2015 1:41:26 GMT
Agree
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Post by Moreau on Oct 28, 2015 1:43:22 GMT
I don't really have a top 5, but I were to pick just 2, it would be Napoleon and Hitler. Both went into Russia on the winter, Napoleon came back with less than a 1/4 of his invasion force and Hitler ended up killing himself because soviet forces were closing in on his bunker. Even without the winter, you don't poke the bear, especially a Russian bear you had a Non Aggression Pact with that has Stalin at its command...with a near endless population...and a line of artillery stretching for miles upon miles...and that was just Hitlers screw ups. I can continue but I summed up most of it, I think. but they soviet troops didnt have quailty the just threw and threw in soilders until the end like for every 1 german that died in the eastern front 25 more soviets died |
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 28, 2015 1:46:03 GMT
I hardly know any strategists, much less bad ones. But I'll tell you an awesome one. My favorite in history in fact. Zhuge Liang of the Chinese Three Kingdoms Era. On multiple accounts his strategies proved to be the deciding factor in many battles where he was at a disadvantage. He unfortunately died before realizing his lord's goal due to illness, but had he not died on the battlefield of Wuzhang Plains then he would have defeated his opposition
;-; I cri evertyme
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Oct 28, 2015 1:49:10 GMT
I don't really have a top 5, but I were to pick just 2, it would be Napoleon and Hitler. Both went into Russia on the winter, Napoleon came back with less than a 1/4 of his invasion force and Hitler ended up killing himself because soviet forces were closing in on his bunker. Even without the winter, you don't poke the bear, especially a Russian bear you had a Non Aggression Pact with that has Stalin at its command...with a near endless population...and a line of artillery stretching for miles upon miles...and that was just Hitlers screw ups. I can continue but I summed up most of it, I think. but they soviet troops didnt have quailty the just threw and threw in soilders until the end like for every 1 german that died in the eastern front 25 more soviets died Precisely, your mate. Stalin threw countless amounts of people, young and old, at Adolf, those who ran were shot dead and those unfit for combat likely were seen as cowards, infidels, derogatory terms to say the least. Hitlers German forces were skilled and had great equipment, but when you are outnumbered as badly as Hitler was, just wear your brown pants and wait for the soviets to kick down your door. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 28, 2015 1:53:23 GMT
I hardly know any strategists, much less bad ones. But I'll tell you an awesome one. My favorite in history in fact. Zhuge Liang of the Chinese Three Kingdoms Era. On multiple accounts his strategies proved to be the deciding factor in many battles where he was at a disadvantage. He unfortunately died before realizing his lord's goal due to illness, but had he not died on the battlefield of Wuzhang Plains then he would have defeated his opposition ;-; I cri evertyme Zhuge Liang is great at strategy, but not at controlling a country. If he doesn't keep attacking Wei but to increase the economy and the troops, Shu could live longer. And another problem is that he does everything instead of making some of the young officers to get some experience, that is why after Zhuge Liang's death, Shu does not have many great generals. Zhuge Liang could win Sima Yi in a single war, but if they are controlling a country, Sima Yi will be the winner.(Plus, I am a fan of Wei.) |
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 28, 2015 1:55:33 GMT
My particular favorite was when Liu Bei and Sun Quan ( the leaders of Shu and Wu respectively ) fought Cao Cao at Chibi. Cao Cao has a vastly superior navy, but Zhuge Liang had a multiple step plan. First, an infiltrator would convince Cao Cao to chain his ships together. Next, Zhuge Liang would pray to the heavens for a southeastern wind. Finally, a brave officer sailed a suicide fire attack ship to crash into Cao Cao's ships. Due to them being chained together, they couldn't move as the wind blew the fire across the enemy fleet. Total victory for Zhuge Liang.
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 28, 2015 1:57:53 GMT
I hate Wu. They are so lame  After Zhuge Liang died Shu did collapse due to rookie generals I will admit that. Jiang Wei wasn't experienced enough to defeat Sima Yi, and Liu Shan was renowned as incompetent as a ruler. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 28, 2015 2:07:29 GMT
I hate Wu. They are so lame After Zhuge Liang died Shu did collapse due to rookie generals I will admit that. Jiang Wei wasn't experienced enough to defeat Sima Yi, and Liu Shan was renowned as incompetent as a ruler. Without the great generals, Wu is nothing. Without Sun Jian and Sun Ce building the base of Wu, Sun Quan cannot win the war of Chibi. And Guan Yu, is the worst commander during the Three Kingdom, much worse than his opponents like Lu Meng. |
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Post by Moreau on Oct 28, 2015 2:18:39 GMT
But thats just a suicide tactic
Russia will always lose more then the attacking nation
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 28, 2015 2:20:46 GMT
I hate Wu. They are so lame After Zhuge Liang died Shu did collapse due to rookie generals I will admit that. Jiang Wei wasn't experienced enough to defeat Sima Yi, and Liu Shan was renowned as incompetent as a ruler. Without the great generals, Wu is nothing. Without Sun Jian and Sun Ce building the base of Wu, Sun Quan cannot win the war of Chibi. And Guan Yu, is the worst commander during the Three Kingdom, much worse than his opponents like Lu Meng. Guan Yu is the reason why he died, the reason why Zhang Fei died, the reason why his son died, and the reason why Liu Bei died. All for Jing Province, which he lost anyway. If only he just gave Wu what they wanted but that's off topic. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 28, 2015 2:26:53 GMT
Napoleon was one of the worst strategists?  ? Are you kidding me? What's up with the Battle of Austerlitz? Battle at the Pyramids, Ulm, Jena und Auerstadt, Friedland, Dresden, and many more. Anyway Napoleon would kick everybody's *Auto corrected* (even Suvorov's) and don't even let me start on how good Lannes is (even better than Suvorov). One of the worst commanders? MacDouglas did some stupid things like invading the Philippines. But I can't come up with anymore things. Another one of the worst commanders would be Tzar Alexander I. Did you know that Hitler had a drug named after him and he was often using cocaine which influenced his actions. |
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 28, 2015 9:54:34 GMT
Napoleon was one of the worst strategists? ? Are you kidding me? What's up with the Battle of Austerlitz? Battle at the Pyramids, Ulm, Jena und Auerstadt, Friedland, Dresden, and many more. Anyway Napoleon would kick everybody's Tale (even Suvorov's) and don't even let me start on how good Lannes is (even better than Suvorov). One of the worst commanders? MacDouglas did some stupid things like invading the Philippines. But I can't come up with anymore things. Another one of the worst commanders would be Tzar Alexander I. Did you know that Hitler had a drug named after him and he was often using cocaine which influenced his actions. Sure Napoleon won a bunch of battles. But invading Russia is just stupid when it's winter. He was destroyed. And Suvorov wasn't even there. |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 28, 2015 10:34:36 GMT
...well anyways.
I would've said hitter was a military genius until two years ago. Two years ago, I found out that his generals did all the smart shoot for him and only when he made them chance their plans, they failed. I'd be willing to bet that if hitler did not give out any military orders, Germany may have won the war. Not for certainly but definetely possible.
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After Zhuge Liang died Shu did collapse due to rookie generals I will admit that. Jiang Wei wasn't experienced enough to defeat Sima Yi, and Liu Shan was renowned as incompetent as a ruler. 
