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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 28, 2015 12:52:15 GMT
Napoleon was one of the worst strategists?  ? Are you kidding me? What's up with the Battle of Austerlitz? Battle at the Pyramids, Ulm, Jena und Auerstadt, Friedland, Dresden, and many more. Anyway Napoleon would kick everybody's Tale (even Suvorov's) and don't even let me start on how good Lannes is (even better than Suvorov). One of the worst commanders? MacDouglas did some stupid things like invading the Philippines. But I can't come up with anymore things. Another one of the worst commanders would be Tzar Alexander I. Did you know that Hitler had a drug named after him and he was often using cocaine which influenced his actions. Sure Napoleon won a bunch of battles. But invading Russia is just stupid when it's winter. He was destroyed. And Suvorov wasn't even there. I love it when people talk about Napoleon as if he invaded Russia in December. His plan was to catch the Tzar Alexander I. , not conquer the land. |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Oct 29, 2015 0:19:02 GMT
I don't really have a top 5, but I were to pick just 2, it would be Napoleon and Hitler. Both went into Russia on the winter, Napoleon came back with less than a 1/4 of his invasion force and Hitler ended up killing himself because soviet forces were closing in on his bunker. Even without the winter, you don't poke the bear, especially a Russian bear you had a Non Aggression Pact with that has Stalin at its command...with a near endless population...and a line of artillery stretching for miles upon miles...and that was just Hitlers screw ups. I can continue but I summed up most of it, I think. Both sides knew the non agression pact was temporary. The ideologies of the two countries were conflicting, not to mention that stalin just signed it to give him time to prepare for war. If hitler hadnt invaded then, he would have just lost later. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 29, 2015 3:24:25 GMT
I don't really have a top 5, but I were to pick just 2, it would be Napoleon and Hitler. Both went into Russia on the winter, Napoleon came back with less than a 1/4 of his invasion force and Hitler ended up killing himself because soviet forces were closing in on his bunker. Even without the winter, you don't poke the bear, especially a Russian bear you had a Non Aggression Pact with that has Stalin at its command...with a near endless population...and a line of artillery stretching for miles upon miles...and that was just Hitlers screw ups. I can continue but I summed up most of it, I think. Both sides knew the non agression pact was temporary. The ideologies of the two countries were conflicting, not to mention that stalin just signed it to give him time to prepare for war. If hitler hadnt invaded then, he would have just lost later. This is 1:1 what most right thinkers supporting the German invasion say. But you're not one of those (I hope). Anyway, I guess Germany actually harmed the USSR more in this way but also itself more. |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Oct 29, 2015 11:02:07 GMT
Of course not. Neither hitler nor stalin should have won, they both did horrible things. But there was a reason Hitler invaded in 41 and not 43 or later.
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Post by Von Bismarck jr on Oct 29, 2015 12:40:51 GMT
Of course not. Neither hitler nor stalin should have won, they both did horrible things. But there was a reason Hitler invaded in 41 and not 43 or later. Hitler killed 6 million and Stalin killed around 60 million, i believe? Whatever the numbers are they were by all means genocidal. |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Oct 29, 2015 15:14:02 GMT
Of course not. Neither hitler nor stalin should have won, they both did horrible things. But there was a reason Hitler invaded in 41 and not 43 or later. Hitler killed 6 million and Stalin killed around 60 million, i believe? Whatever the numbers are they were by all means genocidal. Hitler was, Stalin wasn't. Genocide is killing with the intent to exterminate a race/religion/culture etc. Stalin just killed all political dissidents, so hes a mass murderer, but not genocidal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 29, 2015 20:23:34 GMT
Hitler killed 6 million and Stalin killed around 60 million, i believe? Whatever the numbers are they were by all means genocidal. Hitler was, Stalin wasn't. Genocide is killing with the intent to exterminate a race/religion/culture etc. Stalin just killed all political dissidents, so hes a mass murderer, but not genocidal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenocideTrue, most terrible and bloodthirsty dictators weren't genocidal unless they were trying to get rid of an entire race such as Idi Amin or Hitler. Stalin, Mao Zedong, or Ion Antonescu were mass murderers. |
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Post by Elmer on Oct 30, 2015 2:28:27 GMT
Another fun fact: Hitler gave his troops what is known today as meth in place of food towards the downfall.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 30, 2015 3:34:40 GMT
Hitler planned to give ***Toys to his soldiers (like dummies) but it was regret when the soldiers were to o ashamed when getting imprisoned.
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Post by Moreau on Oct 31, 2015 14:05:35 GMT
Hitler killed 6 million and Stalin killed around 60 million, i believe? Whatever the numbers are they were by all means genocidal. Hitler was, Stalin wasn't. Genocide is killing with the intent to exterminate a race/religion/culture etc. Stalin just killed all political dissidents, so hes a mass murderer, but not genocidal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocideyeah its true but Stalin isnt better |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Nov 1, 2015 2:16:43 GMT
Hitler was, Stalin wasn't. Genocide is killing with the intent to exterminate a race/religion/culture etc. Stalin just killed all political dissidents, so hes a mass murderer, but not genocidal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocideyeah its true but Stalin isnt better Who said that? I didnt |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Nov 1, 2015 3:11:28 GMT
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Post by Moreau on Nov 1, 2015 11:57:57 GMT
No i didnt? I just quoted it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 21:51:59 GMT
Let's see from ww2 so 1) Lenin was sent to Russia from Germany
2) Hitler wasn't aware of his scientists progress and didn't calculate how to get resources and made a lot of mistakes
3) Stalin didn't understand what is human he counted humans as Hitler counted bullets
4) Molotov-Ribbentrop pact(I think no need for comments)
and I am too lazy to continue but the two worst was Hitler and Stalin
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Post by Moreau on Nov 2, 2015 18:43:41 GMT
True
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