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Post by metalleater on Oct 24, 2020 17:03:52 GMT
In fact, the Model is not as bad as it might seem. Most importantly, we must understand that he is an excellent hybrid, not tank damage dealer. You will be very surprised at the superiority of the Model. This superiority is hidden in his cost. Despite the fact that Sun L.R. has +15 from Jungle fighting, price of Model is very good for his skills.
Let’s compare Model to Sun L.R.
1) Sun L.R. has one 5th star Armor (I will mark a star as *) less than Model = +640 medals to Sun L.R 's cost;
2) Sun L.R. has a lesser rank. Upgrade from Capitan to Mayor = +150 medals to Sun L.R. 's cost;
3) Sun L.R has one 4th *Marching more than Model = -375 medals to Sun L.R 's cost;
4) Sun L.R has one high skill: Model’s **Ace Forces(200) VS Sun L.R’s ***Jungle Fighting(400) = -200 medals to Sun L.R 's cost.
Summing up all the above medals, we get the cost of Sun L.R.
Total: It’s 2440 medals!! And the Model costs only 1580 medals!! In fact, the Model is much cheaper than the Sun L.R.! By the way, Sun L.R 's
has one star less in infantry too. Impressive isn't it?
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 24, 2020 17:56:01 GMT
Yeah bro but there are better options lol
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Post by metalleater on Oct 25, 2020 22:46:03 GMT
Oh really? Just repeat again guides on this forum: play Guderian and unlock Konev bla bla. And there are other generals in the game, and this is a new experience. Or what are the best options? Lecrec with -1 skill (Panzer Leader and Artillery barage). I clearly proved that the Model is top for his cost and help grind a lot.
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 25, 2020 22:50:48 GMT
metalleater, lol do you believe that Graziani and Monty can be good as well>
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 25, 2020 22:51:33 GMT
metalleater, best options: Guderian, Rommel, Roko, and Graz. There are also the IAPs lol
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 25, 2020 22:55:30 GMT
And lol what do you need hybrids for. Graz can be a better hybrid as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 0:33:32 GMT
Oh really? Just repeat again guides on this forum: play Guderian and unlock Konev bla bla. And there are other generals in the game, and this is a new experience. Or what are the best options? Lecrec with -1 skill (Panzer Leader and Artillery barage). I clearly proved that the Model is top for his cost and help grind a lot. It doesn't change the fact that there are really better options, with Leclerc or Vatutin being two good examples. Model is quite mediocre |
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Post by sean1917 on Oct 26, 2020 6:04:00 GMT
Its easy enough to go with the formulated consensus of Tanks to Power Thru the World... And the big Bads are really efficient. But I like hybridization because it allows me more flexibility in the way I do things. I don't rely on just one type of unit for any strategy I have, but use fire support, fodder and Guns all together.
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Oct 26, 2020 6:34:12 GMT
Its easy enough to go with the formulated consensus of Tanks to Power Thru the World... And the big Bads are really efficient. But I like hybridization because it allows me more flexibility in the way I do things. I don't rely on just one type of unit for any strategy I have, but use fire support, fodder and Guns all together. Not really, Graziani is better than Model in practically everything. You can give Graziani crossfire and he'd be exactly like Model. Hybrids suck in this game, in GoG or WC3 it may make sense to have hybrids, but not in WC4. |
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Post by metalleater on Oct 27, 2020 11:35:55 GMT
metalleater , lol do you believe that Graziani and Monty can be good as well Montgomery is a good hybrid? With 2 stars of infantry and artillery? And he costs 2610. That's almost 1000 more expensive than the Model. He-he. I will explain why Model is ideal for his role. If a player can afford to buy a gold general at the price 2610 medals, as you wrote, he just doesn't need silver ones. Model comes ideally when you need him. When u start your career. Graziani is good, and i almost agree with him, but it not enough for his cost 2285. His output the same as Model. And there is no point in spending medals in Graziani. Just save these medals to upgrade your top generals, like Guderian. The benefit of good silver generals is just that they are much more affordable than gold ones and have potential for late game too. This will not work with bronze generals - these are bricks, close to their maximum. Model has an excellent synergy of skills. And all his skills will also work with the infantry and artillery. Therefore, if you can afford such a specific general as Monty or Graziani, then you have already advanced far in the game and you already have the main core of generals. Model, unlike them, makes medals for next great generals. |
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 27, 2020 15:36:22 GMT
Well metalleater, can you give some examples of good silver generals that can be good at endgame. I know Vatutin wouldn't hold up too well and that's my only guess tho. But the hybrids suck in this game because they are not good at anything. Unless you have a lot of medals, which you can modify hybrids to whatever you want, hybrids are pretty bad in this game. |
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 27, 2020 15:39:36 GMT
And Model isn't really that great of a hybrid lol. He has no possible stars in navy and no more possible stars in artillery. Graziani has skill abilities for every type of troop command and he also has one more skill slot than Model
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Post by sean1917 on Oct 27, 2020 18:27:27 GMT
Something occurred to me... I've been playing around with mods lately and just last night played the vanilla WC4... You're right: in the plain old game Medals are hard to accumulate, so there really isn't a lot of room to improve weaker generals. So the powerhouses rule for a real good reason.
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Post by metalleater on Oct 28, 2020 23:24:48 GMT
Well metalleater , can you give some examples of good silver generals that can be good at endgame. I know Vatutin wouldn't hold up too well and that's my only guess tho. But the hybrids suck in this game because they are not good at anything. Unless you have a lot of medals, which you can modify hybrids to whatever you want, hybrids are pretty bad in this game. Seeing this question, looks like that you don't comprehend why the WC4 developers divided the generals into three clusters(i apologize if you are a new player). There are only 13(+3 IAP) gold generals out of 55 in the game. Re-read my posts if you still do not understand why the others exist: silver or bronze. I explained everything very clearly there. For example, here link from Vatutin Discussion european-war-4.boards.net/post/240301If you only use gold generals, this is your choice. You are not forced to complete the game with the silver generals. But player throughout his career can use any generals as long as they bring him fun and progress in game. Can't you admit that Vatutin for tanks, Leeb,Govorov for artillery, Mannerheim for infantry, Arnold for air will also be effective and will lead the player to victory in the game? They are all very good for their price. I will say more. The game is flexible and allows the player to make different decisions. I completly went through WW 2 Europe and WW2 Pacific scenario with only 2 generals - Lib and Model(upgrade him only 3 Mountaing fighting). Only then i took Rokosovsky third. Not Guderian. You are probably recently play this game or just bought IAP generals (that makes game much more simple and skill independent)... If you think that you can only play effectively with a fixed set of generals...but if you need advice, ask  |
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Post by mrmansterin on Oct 29, 2020 1:17:01 GMT
Well metalleater, it depends on where you are in the game. I am in the 1980s which Bing would refer to as "end" game. And I don't even like/play the vanilla game any more lol. I went on to mods and creating mods. So if you are a beginner, get Model why not but if you are considering a good hybrid, get Graz as Model won't have the customization ability. |
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