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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 18, 2019 20:52:37 GMT
 I always thought that artillery was best used against cities, John here with storm forts can do that,and has salvo also so put him on rockets find double tiles,he would be devastating to flesh units as well. True. He can be good at both. Artillery can be used with your infantry on one front and the cavarly alone on the other front. But people killers are also good for that. But still valid points. The issue is that jungle mountain tiles are way to uncommon to rely on consistently. In other words, you need not only a mountain tile but a mountain tile with a jungle to use them. Scharnhorst does have inspiration though for his other skill. As kevin pointed out, it is ok but not great. It really depends on many factors. Its quite complicated to decide who is better. Arguably Scharnhorst is because he is easier to use. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 18, 2019 20:53:25 GMT
We all agree that Scharnhorst and John are amazing Artillery generals. But most of us prefer Scharnhorst because he’s easier to use since you don’t have to be looking for terrains all the time. I would have to agree Sharnhost IS easier to use,but unfortunate he lacks storm fortifications): The easier to use is why some people choose John over Mahmud though. So it is a pretty big criteria that should not be overlooked. |
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Post by silvercreek on Oct 18, 2019 21:08:19 GMT
I always thought that artillery was best used against cities, John here with storm forts can do that,and has salvo also so put him on rockets find double tiles,he would be devastating to flesh units as well. True. He can be good at both. Artillery can be used with your infantry on one front and the cavarly alone on the other front. But people killers are also good for that. But still valid points. The issue is that jungle mountain tiles are way to uncommon to rely on consistently. In other words, you need not only a mountain tile but a mountain tile with a jungle to use them. Scharnhorst does have inspiration though for his other skill. As kevin pointed out, it is ok but not great. It really depends on many factors. Its quite complicated to decide who is better. Arguably Scharnhorst is because he is easier to use. Jungle mountain tiles are not hard to find,you can find one or both easy. But,let's put aside terrain skills, John has one important skill others lack. Storm fortifications! |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 18, 2019 21:28:38 GMT
True. He can be good at both. Artillery can be used with your infantry on one front and the cavarly alone on the other front. But people killers are also good for that. But still valid points. The issue is that jungle mountain tiles are way to uncommon to rely on consistently. In other words, you need not only a mountain tile but a mountain tile with a jungle to use them. Scharnhorst does have inspiration though for his other skill. As kevin pointed out, it is ok but not great. It really depends on many factors. Its quite complicated to decide who is better. Arguably Scharnhorst is because he is easier to use. Jungle mountain tiles are not hard to find,you can find one or both easy. But,let's put aside terrain skills, John has one important skill others lack. Storm fortifications! A good skill. But scharnhorst has artillery master. They are toe to toe with each other. |
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Post by SolidLight on Oct 18, 2019 21:37:02 GMT
True. He can be good at both. Artillery can be used with your infantry on one front and the cavarly alone on the other front. But people killers are also good for that. But still valid points. The issue is that jungle mountain tiles are way to uncommon to rely on consistently. In other words, you need not only a mountain tile but a mountain tile with a jungle to use them. Scharnhorst does have inspiration though for his other skill. As kevin pointed out, it is ok but not great. It really depends on many factors. Its quite complicated to decide who is better. Arguably Scharnhorst is because he is easier to use. Jungle mountain tiles are not hard to find,you can find one or both easy. But,let's put aside terrain skills, John has one important skill others lack. Storm fortifications! The problem isn't finding them. Mountains and forests are pretty littered throughout the map. No, the problem is walking up to them. 11 mov is low and mountains cost 6 mov to walk through. Either you walk 3 spaces and have most of the times no terrain boots and sometimes a 25% damage boost, which puts Johns output just about as high as Scharnhorsts, a bit lower usually because plain is better than forest, or you walk 2 spaces (horrible) for a 56,25% damage boost. Mobility is extremely important even for normal play. Storm fortifications might be something I'd like to have later on though. Still, the best terrain skill the SF artillery gens have is Forest. Forests are still hard to use with artillery because they cost 5 move to move through. That wrecks heavy artillerys turtle 10 mov, but atleast the other artillery can move 3 spaces through 1 forest. (barely) But you're right, if you need storm fortifications, then John is by far the best non-Napoleon artilleryman for that. (Sophia has a crit skill for way lower stats.) |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 19, 2019 1:39:28 GMT
I think they are both solid. John can blow up cities but Scharnhorst can crit better. Its a very weird comparison so lets all be respectful. Neither will dissappoint
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Post by silvercreek on Oct 19, 2019 2:18:14 GMT
I think they are both solid. John can blow up cities but Scharnhorst can crit better. Its a very weird comparison so lets all be respectful. Neither will dissappoint Silly question. You always talk about critical damage how does one know who or when crit applies? |
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Post by Gone on Oct 19, 2019 2:34:16 GMT
I think they are both solid. John can blow up cities but Scharnhorst can crit better. Its a very weird comparison so lets all be respectful. Neither will dissappoint Silly question. You always talk about critical damage how does one know who or when crit applies? I think it has like a 30% chance or so. Triggers occasionally. It’s still important, though. It's like the World Conqueror “Leader” skills, except this time you increase the damage, not the chance. |
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Post by Gone on Oct 19, 2019 2:35:21 GMT
Your general can one-shot a strong enemy unit if he critis, and if he’s strong enough. I’ve once seen my Massena deal 176 damage against a Grenadier via critting. I think Massena was also in a Grenadier.
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Post by silvercreek on Oct 19, 2019 8:46:34 GMT
Silly question. You always talk about critical damage how does one know who or when crit applies? I think it has like a 30% chance or so. Triggers occasionally. It’s still important, though. It's like the World Conqueror “Leader” skills, except this time you increase the damage, not the chance. Thanks,but how do you know who's best at critical damage. I have the great eagle medal just need to pin it on the correct generals,right now it's on Victoria, but I know that's probably not right. |
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Post by silvercreek on Oct 19, 2019 9:18:51 GMT
 While we at it,what good is this item? |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 19, 2019 11:08:10 GMT
I think they are both solid. John can blow up cities but Scharnhorst can crit better. Its a very weird comparison so lets all be respectful. Neither will dissappoint Silly question. You always talk about critical damage how does one know who or when crit applies? When your damage turns red is when it happens. Or when you deal extraordinarily high outputs. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 19, 2019 11:08:59 GMT
While we at it,what good is this item? One of the more useless items in the game imo. I like crit damage, but only 2% more? Really? |
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Post by silvercreek on Oct 19, 2019 14:55:31 GMT
Silly question. You always talk about critical damage how does one know who or when crit applies? When your damage turns red is when it happens. Or when you deal extraordinarily high outputs. So when we see red numbers,then critical damage is applied,I assume. Most of time it's against me lol. Who is the best general to pin the medal on is what I wanna know.😁 |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 19, 2019 18:31:53 GMT
When your damage turns red is when it happens. Or when you deal extraordinarily high outputs. So when we see red numbers,then critical damage is applied,I assume. Most of time it's against me lol. Who is the best general to pin the medal on is what I wanna know.😁 Imo karl and massena are the ones to boost the crit damage of. If you got extra crit items give them to artillery generals with artillery master. |
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