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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 1:33:38 GMT
After hundred times of doing Sarnidia conquest, I have some details for the easiest way (IMO) and quick conquest (My best record is 55 turns, no gens, no upgrade, no kill and no city captured, and in about 15 minutes playing). Turn 1: Spend 100 gold to HRE, donate Naples, Spain, Russian, Ottoman, Prussia and Sweden, disband all units. Turn 2: Spend 100 gold to HRE, skip turn (Ignore all donate offer) (Split the gift money because sometime AI use its resources very stupidly - spend all they have in first turn and after that lose the city because lack of gold to spawn unit) Turn 3: Skip turn (Ignore all donate offer) Turn 4: Skip turn (Ignore all donate offer) Turn 5: Donate Russian 2nd time, spend 20 gold and industry to Prussian. Declare War to Italy (This is very important, Italy joins the war really late, when all English Navy units and Naples units leave and focus on France - usually Turin, Marseille and get killed stupidly, sometime Italy can eliminate Naples and it's pain in @ss). In 5th turn, English navy are alway at the coast of Italy and can knock out Italy very quickly then join HRE defend the Ottoman onslaught later, HRE also free from Italy's harassment. Turn 6 - 20: just save for 2nd donate to Ottoman and 50 gold for emergency situation, give all remain resource to HRE (sometime England if Spain makes huge onslaught to them) and skip the turns. Within this time, Denmark, Netherland, Italy and Portugal are defeated, Corsica also be captured by our allies. After this, you can turn auto play or manual end and skip turn. Waiting for final result.  |
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Post by Saltin on Jun 5, 2018 9:35:21 GMT
I am tempted to try this, all my gold has been spent and I need to go back to farming Sardinia again. I don't normally do the delete method but I just found out that we need a mountain of gold (literally hundreds of thousands) to fully upgrade titles and this method is so much more efficient at gaining gold.
One thing that I didn't see anyone mention is that sometimes it helps to also delete facilities on top of deleting units. For some odd reason now and then you might get unit (Spain likes to do this) come to take your port and might afterwards decide to hit your city since it's 1 hex away. So:
[No Units+No Port] = No reason for the enemy to come visit you !
OOT: I removed a superfluous link that was added to your post,it's apparently coming from the auto-posting of some images.
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 10:06:23 GMT
The variation of AI behavior is unpredicted. But i think they only focus on your facilities only when it consider you a threat (you have units and tend to attack it). Sometime they focus on blank city and ignore blank facilities although there is no unit.
And because of that variation, I just try to minimize the effect of it for stable farming process.
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Post by Mountbatten on Jun 5, 2018 11:05:14 GMT
I am tempted to try this, all my gold has been spent and I need to go back to farming Sardinia again. I don't normally do the delete method but I just found out that we need a mountain of gold (literally hundreds of thousands) to fully upgrade titles and this method is so much more efficient at gaining gold. One thing that I didn't see anyone mention is that sometimes it helps to also delete facilities on top of deleting units. For some odd reason now and then you might get unit (Spain likes to do this) come to take your port and might afterwards decide to hit your city since it's 1 hex away. So: [No Units+No Port] = No reason for the enemy to come visit you ! OOT: I removed a superfluous link that was added to your post,it's apparently coming from the auto-posting of some images. I sometimes get that link on my guides and I quickly delete it. It's strange. |
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Post by xerexes on Jun 5, 2018 13:58:22 GMT
Weird I followed your method and this become a very Long conquest. Ireland is taken by Spain. Yes Italy is eliminated early. Denmark win Sweden in a 1 vs 1 and shoot got real quick. Russia and Prussia sail over to eliminate Denmark. Ottomans invaded Naples. France is dead only on the 75th turn. Spain currently holds Ireland and half of France on the 83th turn. I don't think this method is for me. I prefer the defend your coast and take Corsica by turn 5 method.  |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 14:40:57 GMT
Weird I followed your method and this become a very Long conquest. Ireland is taken by Spain. Yes Italy is eliminated early. Denmark win Sweden in a 1 vs 1 and shoot got real quick. Russia and Prussia sail over to eliminate Denmark. Ottomans invaded Naples. France is dead only on the 75th turn. Spain currently holds Ireland and half of France on the 83th turn. I don't think this method is for me. I prefer the defend your coast and take Corsica by turn 5 method. It never take me more than 70 turns to finish the conquest, follow exactly what I said. This is my new record, suddenly just want manual play after 20th turn. Can finish at 51 turn but my allies block my way...   |
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Post by Mountbatten on Jun 5, 2018 14:53:43 GMT
166,000 for 53 turns with a 1* country but only 112,000 for a 3* country.  |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 14:58:06 GMT
166,000 for 53 turns with a 1* country but only 112,000 for a 3* country. Because i am "weak"  |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 15:07:00 GMT
Weird I followed your method and this become a very Long conquest. Ireland is taken by Spain. Yes Italy is eliminated early. Denmark win Sweden in a 1 vs 1 and shoot got real quick. Russia and Prussia sail over to eliminate Denmark. Ottomans invaded Naples. France is dead only on the 75th turn. Spain currently holds Ireland and half of France on the 83th turn. I don't think this method is for me. I prefer the defend your coast and take Corsica by turn 5 method. I think you got problem in timing. In your case when Denmark join the war, Prussia not yet join and Sweden need to solo with Denmark (I afraid that Sweden also join war late and cannot collect enough power). When Ottoman join the war, Russia just finish or nearly finish Poland and then split the army into 2 directions (west and south), Ottoman can't invade Naples, some units come but get kill easily. About Spain, when it defeat Portugal early, then huge onslaught will start and England can't stand alone, you need to help (just in my note). Never use gold, donate all of your gold to your allies every turn and estimate when you need collect gold to spawn unit to defend (2 turn for 52 gold). |
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Post by anamateur on Jun 5, 2018 15:17:34 GMT
Weird I followed your method and this become a very Long conquest. Ireland is taken by Spain. Yes Italy is eliminated early. Denmark win Sweden in a 1 vs 1 and shoot got real quick. Russia and Prussia sail over to eliminate Denmark. Ottomans invaded Naples. France is dead only on the 75th turn. Spain currently holds Ireland and half of France on the 83th turn. I don't think this method is for me. I prefer the defend your coast and take Corsica by turn 5 method. I think you got problem in timing. In your case when Denmark join the war, Prussia not yet join and Sweden need to solo with Denmark (I afraid that Sweden also join war late and cannot collect enough power). When Ottoman join the war, Russia just finish or nearly finish Poland and then split the army into 2 directions (west and south), Ottoman can't invade Naples, some units come but get kill easily. About Spain, when it defeat Portugal early, then huge onslaught will start and England can't stand alone, you need to help (just in my note). Never use gold, donate all of your gold to your allies every turn and estimate when you need collect gold to spawn unit to defend (2 turn for 52 gold). I don't think Sweden alone should go against Denmark. Prussia usually helps Sweden by conquering Hamburg and bombarding Copenhagen. Sweden captures it right after. Also, in my games, Spain doesn't really pose a threat to mainland Britain. They just capture Ireland and then get slaughtedered by the Swedes everytime. |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 5, 2018 16:10:27 GMT
I think you got problem in timing. In your case when Denmark join the war, Prussia not yet join and Sweden need to solo with Denmark (I afraid that Sweden also join war late and cannot collect enough power). When Ottoman join the war, Russia just finish or nearly finish Poland and then split the army into 2 directions (west and south), Ottoman can't invade Naples, some units come but get kill easily. About Spain, when it defeat Portugal early, then huge onslaught will start and England can't stand alone, you need to help (just in my note). Never use gold, donate all of your gold to your allies every turn and estimate when you need collect gold to spawn unit to defend (2 turn for 52 gold). I don't think Sweden alone should go against Denmark. Prussia usually helps Sweden by conquering Hamburg and bombarding Copenhagen. Sweden captures it right after. Also, in my games, Spain doesn't really pose a threat to mainland Britain. They just capture Ireland and then get slaughtedered by the Swedes everytime. Sometime Spain can totally invade England. The problem of AI is they never turn back or spawn enough units to defend when they go far enough. England usually focus on Central Europe and when Sweden enter battle with Spain, it will ignore England problem |
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Post by xerexes on Jun 5, 2018 23:40:28 GMT
I don't think Sweden alone should go against Denmark. Prussia usually helps Sweden by conquering Hamburg and bombarding Copenhagen. Sweden captures it right after. Also, in my games, Spain doesn't really pose a threat to mainland Britain. They just capture Ireland and then get slaughtedered by the Swedes everytime. Sometime Spain can totally invade England. The problem of AI is they never turn back or spawn enough units to defend when they go far enough. England usually focus on Central Europe and when Sweden enter battle with Spain, it will ignore England problem Update. Tried this a couple of times. All went very well. Some variation here and there includes stuff like Corsica being the last French city surviving on some runs. Ireland will 90% be taken by Spain. Even if u give UK resources he will not spent it on Ireland if he is still attacking France. After a while Uk will take back Ireland with ease. Depending on the split of the Russian main force, ottoman or Spanish force will be eliminated first or last. Sweden vs Denmark. This is really a even fight. I would say dependant on how much navy Prussia n Russia produced on a particular run. British Navy is really op and Italy really gets eliminated 8th-12th turn. If u want to do minimum on a run this is really the best method thus far. Thanks for devising the method. I Guess the first run I had was a ruse as do not know what gone wrong. I did noticed Russian units at the extreme right side of the map moving up n down ( yes their own territory) so I have to assume the ai bugged out. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 9, 2018 17:50:55 GMT
Thanks for this; it worked so well that I was able to buy Nelson, whom I've wanted from the start.
Now I am training him with a slightly modified version. On the first turn, instead of disbanding my units, I put Nelson on the frigate and move him and Emmanuel to the SE by sea. The French ships still bombard your city on the first turn, but you can use Emmanuel to distract them on the second turn and let Nelson escape unscathed to the coast of Italy where you can meet up with British navy. As long as you leave Sardinia unpopulated, the French don't go after Cagliari, or so it seems from my play so far. I usually disband Emmanuel after the first turn anyway since he's not needed anymore after Nelsons escape. Then I play it out as above, letting autoplay take over after turn 20 or so, but now with Nelson in the mix who gains experience while auto play does its thing
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Post by panzerkampfwagen on Jun 15, 2018 13:05:50 GMT
I don't know why it seems very complicated; I guess it's just me. The method I use is more simple, but takes about 65-70 or a little bit more turns. Still gets an S though.
Sardinia
Turn 1 : Disband all troops, Send protocol to Russia
Turn 2 : Send protocol to Russia
Turn 3 : (you don't have enough resources to send protocol). Idle
Turn 4 : Send protocol to Russia. Sweden and Denmark should be joining the war by now. Give them the rest of your money. Should be about 200 gold and like 9 industry.
After this, auto-run. If you want, you can use your money to delay the Ottoman's entry to the war. Or help Naples, Sweden. BUT! If you are completely auto-ing (letting AI take control of your nation) becareful because it might drag some aggro from Spain and France. The French might push deep into Prussia and the Ottomans might be able to attack Vienna, don't worry because the Coalition in the end will push them back. GLHF!
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Post by snowman on Jun 15, 2018 14:46:47 GMT
I don't know why it seems very complicated; I guess it's just me. The method I use is more simple, but takes about 65-70 or a little bit more turns. Still gets an S though. Sardinia Turn 1 : Disband all troops, Send protocol to Russia Turn 2 : Send protocol to Russia Turn 3 : (you don't have enough resources to send protocol). Idle Turn 4 : Send protocol to Russia. Sweden and Denmark should be joining the war by now. Give them the rest of your money. Should be about 200 gold and like 9 industry. After this, auto-run. If you want, you can use your money to delay the Ottoman's entry to the war. Or help Naples, Sweden. BUT! If you are completely auto-ing (letting AI take control of your nation) becareful because it might drag some aggro from Spain and France. The French might push deep into Prussia and the Ottomans might be able to attack Vienna, don't worry because the Coalition in the end will push them back. GLHF! It is only complicated on first turn, but less manual intervention after that. You can play it so that you only intervene on turn 1 and 5, and maybe turn 20 or so, and skip turns the rest. Turn 1 pay off Sweden et al, and give money to HRE, turn 5 declare war on Italy and pay off Russia, then skip until 20 or so, give more money to HRE, and should be in good shape for auto ... Actually, I guess the real difference in the methods is if you want to minimize the risk of losing later in the game by taking more steps up front. |
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